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James Comey FBI director reopens Clinton email investigation

Butler1000

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No, it's not still to be determined. It's legal. She was entitled to use a private server. Fully legal.

There's no reason whatever to think her actions to date have been anything other than fully legal. Despite Trump parading around trying to bully his way into office the most likely outcome is another exoneration because it's just unlikely she's done anything illegal.

Maybe somebody else did. Maybe Huma sent summer stuff she shouldn't have to Weiner, but that would have no bearing on Clinton. From what we know these are at best emails Clinton sent to Huma, and since Huma is authorized, that's not a crime.
If she doesn't allow a private server in her basement with a lack of security this doesn't happen.

Now we have emails on an unauthorized laptop. Are you now saying the Hillary isn't responsible for the actions of her assistants?

Funny how you think Trump is responsible for the actions of all his followers but Clinton isn't for the actions(more than likely at her behest) of her long term assistant.

And that ignoring the advice of various security experts has no bearing on the fact weiner has a crapload of emails on his computer.

Do I have to say again the root cause?
 

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James Carville is claiming that the vast right-wing conspiracy includes the KGB.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/carville-melts-asserts-fbi-gop-kgb-cahoots/

The total nuttiness of his comments shows just how panicked the Clinton camp is at this point. :biggrin1:

Now if there ever was a rabid supporter of Democrats AAAND especially the Clintons, Carville is it. The speed at which he speaks, the topics he covers and all the references he brings up is actually entertaining.
Sometimes he'll have verbal diarrhea, but again, he's quick to set things straight and make sure the person or audience get his point.

Great accent.
 

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In fact the Democrats filed a formal complaint. A federal employee is prohibited from using his office to influence an election. What else can you call Comey using his position as a pulpit to criticize Clinton for perfectly legal behavior?
They don't have the President behind them, and as already pointed out neither do they have precedent (see #183)
 

Aardvark154

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She didn't lie and there was nothing whatsoever illegal about what she did.
If we keep saying it often enough, perhaps people will really believe it.

In truth the first investigation disclosed plenty of violations, which for we lesser beings would have resulted in prosecution. (I refer you again to Butler's posts above).
 

Aardvark154

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Except she ACTUALLY did nothing wrong. No amount of "meta data" is going to show otherwise. She used a private server. So fucking what.
Again from post #137 https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...nvestigation&p=5675256&viewfull=1#post5675256

Charles S. Faddis (retired 20 year CIA operations officer)

"I have worked in national security my entire life. Most of that has been in the intelligence community surrounded by classified information. For twenty years, I worked undercover in the Central Intelligence Agency, recruiting sources, producing intelligence and running operations. I have a pretty concrete understanding of how classified information is handled and how government communications systems work.

Nobody uses a private email server for official business. Period. Full stop.

The entire notion is, to borrow a phrase from a Clinton campaign official, “insane.” That anyone would presume to be allowed to do so is mind-boggling. That government officials allowed Hillary Clinton to do so is nauseating.

Classified and unclassified information do not mix. They don’t travel in the same streams through the same pipes. They move in clearly well defined channels so that never the twain shall meet. Mixing them together is unheard of and a major criminal offense.

If you end up with classified information in an unclassified channel, you have done something very wrong and very serious.

Accidentally removing a single classified message from controlled spaces, without any evidence of intent or exposure to hostile forces, can get you fired and cost you your clearance. Repeated instances will land you in prison.

Every hostile intelligence agency on the planet targets senior American officials for collection. The Secretary of State tops the list. Almost anything the Secretary of State had to say about her official duties, her schedule, her mood, her plans for the weekend, would be prized information to adversaries.

It is very difficult, in fact, to think of much of anything that the Secretary of State could be saying in email that we would want hostile forces to know."
 

Frankfooter

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Nobody uses a private email server for official business. Period. Full stop.
Trump runs his private email off his own server running Windows 2003.

By the way, Trump's ex-campaign manager is officially being investigated by the FBI over links to Russia.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...trump-campaign-manager-s-foreign-ties-n675881

And while the NYT looked at Trump's hidden server with a direct link to the Russian Alpha bank and noted that it was shut down as soon as it was publicized, other IT experts looked into it and found it just popped up again with a different address. Trump is still in direct and hidden contact with a Russian bank.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...p_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

While its one thing to demand that Clinton be put behind bars because her security wasn't high enough its a whole different can of stinkass to be directly linked to covert espionage of US government officials in Russia. Funny how only one of those seems to be a worry to some people.
 

Butler1000

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Trump runs his private email off his own server running Windows 2003.

By the way, Trump's ex-campaign manager is officially being investigated by the FBI over links to Russia.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...trump-campaign-manager-s-foreign-ties-n675881

And while the NYT looked at Trump's hidden server with a direct link to the Russian Alpha bank and noted that it was shut down as soon as it was publicized, other IT experts looked into it and found it just popped up again with a different address. Trump is still in direct and hidden contact with a Russian bank.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...p_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

While its one thing to demand that Clinton be put behind bars because her security wasn't high enough its a whole different can of stinkass to be directly linked to covert espionage of US government officials in Russia. Funny how only one of those seems to be a worry to some people.
He can do whatever he wants with a server as a Private Citizen. And as we can haven't seen any hacked leaks from any sources I guess his security is better.

Hillary was secretary of State. Where is that in the Food Chain. Maybe #5 in line?

Using an unsecured private server in her basement? There is no excuse. None. The lack of judgment is unprecedented.
 

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When was it that Donald Trump was a senior Government official with access to Top Secret Code Word information?
It is certainly a weird argument, verging on trolling, to suggest that Trump will reform government information security by rolling it back to Windows 2003, or that he will attempt to have any input at all to administration of government information systems.

The only argument I've seen lately that rivals that one for inanity is the one about how a Trump company deleting e-mails has anything to do with the breach of public trust demonstrated by Clinton deleting government records.
 

Aardvark154

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By the way, Trump's ex-campaign manager is officially being investigated by the FBI over links to Russia.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...trump-campaign-manager-s-foreign-ties-n675881
According to the New York Times the FBI dismissed this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0

Even your own link states

The FBI is looking into the "foreign business connections" of Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former campaign manager.

"The inquiry, which is not a criminal investigation"

That certainly should fill us with fear, now the FBI feels that even if not against the law, there are certain "foreign business connections" which should be investigated

Trump is still in direct and hidden contact with a Russian bank.
Wow, you are in contact with a French Bank surely you should be locked up.



According to that archConservative newspaper The New York Times: "Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump."

"Hillary Clinton’s supporters, angry over what they regard as a lack of scrutiny of Mr. Trump by law enforcement officials, pushed for these investigations."

Hmm, who was it that had this sort of political influence.
 

Frankfooter

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Please take a look at the post previous to this and what The New York Times has to say.
The NYT says the investigation continues and they haven't found a direct link.
Yet.

But they also don't know why Trump has a direct and secret link to a Russian bank, either.

Meanwhile there is another report out with different inside information that suggest otherwise, that Trump has been targeted as an 'asset' by Russia.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics...ging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump
 

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Again from post #137 https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...nvestigation&p=5675256&viewfull=1#post5675256

Charles S. Faddis (retired 20 year CIA operations officer)

"I have worked in national security my entire life. Most of that has been in the intelligence community surrounded by classified information. For twenty years, I worked undercover in the Central Intelligence Agency, recruiting sources, producing intelligence and running operations. I have a pretty concrete understanding of how classified information is handled and how government communications systems work.

Nobody uses a private email server for official business. Period. Full stop.

The entire notion is, to borrow a phrase from a Clinton campaign official, “insane.” That anyone would presume to be allowed to do so is mind-boggling. That government officials allowed Hillary Clinton to do so is nauseating.

Classified and unclassified information do not mix. They don’t travel in the same streams through the same pipes. They move in clearly well defined channels so that never the twain shall meet. Mixing them together is unheard of and a major criminal offense.

If you end up with classified information in an unclassified channel, you have done something very wrong and very serious.

Accidentally removing a single classified message from controlled spaces, without any evidence of intent or exposure to hostile forces, can get you fired and cost you your clearance. Repeated instances will land you in prison.

Every hostile intelligence agency on the planet targets senior American officials for collection. The Secretary of State tops the list. Almost anything the Secretary of State had to say about her official duties, her schedule, her mood, her plans for the weekend, would be prized information to adversaries.

It is very difficult, in fact, to think of much of anything that the Secretary of State could be saying in email that we would want hostile forces to know."
And again, that is an opinion that has nothing to do with what is legal. You may agree or not agree with that opinion on best practices, but it was illegal for Comey as a Federal employee to use his office to criticize Clinton.

He was legally required to limit his comment to what was and wasn't legal.

He has interfered in a Presidential election twice now, going beyond what the law allows him to do and say to try and influence the outcome. First by illegally criticizing Clinton for perfectly legal behavior, then by illegally sending this recent letter to Congress.

He needs to be impeached and the FBI needs to be purged of anyone who thought Comey's lawbreaking and political interference was acceptable.
 

Butler1000

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And again, that is an opinion that has nothing to do with what is legal. You may agree or not agree with that opinion on best practices, but it was illegal for Comey as a Federal employee to use his office to criticize Clinton.

He was legally required to limit his comment to what was and wasn't legal.

He has interfered in a Presidential election twice now, going beyond what the law allows him to do and say to try and influence the outcome. First by illegally criticizing Clinton for perfectly legal behavior, then by illegally sending this recent letter to Congress.

He needs to be impeached and the FBI needs to be purged of anyone who thought Comey's lawbreaking and political interference was acceptable.
Seems the President doesn't share your opinion. And the DOJ isn't calling for this either.

Ooooooo....a purge......bust out the pitchforks McCarthy types, fuji wants a witchhunt!
 

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FBI releases their file's on the 2001 investigation of Bill Clinton's charity and Mark Rich pardon.
The Clinton's have kept the FBI busy over the years. Five FBI field offices are now investigating the Clinton Foundation, Plus the email investigations.

Apparently on Twitter Michelle & Barack Oboma, Elizabeth Warren, and others are deleting any mention of Clinton and unfollowing her.

Democrats on Suicide Watch after FBI Re-Opens case.
 

Frankfooter

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The Clinton's have kept the FBI busy over the years. Five FBI field offices are now investigating the Clinton Foundation, Plus the email investigations.

Apparently on Twitter Michelle & Barack Oboma, Elizabeth Warren, and others are deleting any mention of Clinton and unfollowing her.

Democrats on Suicide Watch after FBI Re-Opens case.
The FBI is really getting involved in this election now, and not in a good way.
So, to summarize, when the FBI uncovered emails that they had not read, had not yet obtained a warrant to read, and had not in any way confirmed would reveal anything at all about Hillary Clinton, Comey rushed to convey this information to Clinton’s political enemies in a letter that was light on facts and easy to misrepresent to the press.

Yet, when the FBI learned that a hostile foreign power was literally trying to shape the result of the election, he opposed disclosing this information to the American people.
https://thinkprogress.org/we-now-kn...-to-trump-and-clinton-7314d9b55cd0#.sbcxza5x0
 

KBear

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The FBI is really getting involved in this election now, and not in a good way.

https://thinkprogress.org/we-now-kn...-to-trump-and-clinton-7314d9b55cd0#.sbcxza5x0
Think Comey was in a bad spot with the email investigation. The FBI had to move on Wiener's emails, and one why or another the media would find out. The FBI did have the header data for the emails, and I hope they found something significant before announcing the case was open again.

The FBI did not report that several branches of the FBI are currently investigating the Clinton foundation.
 
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