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The emails FBI is looking at were from Huma to Weiner. But the information contained in those emails were classified information that was originally sent from Hillary to Huma Abedin, or was verbally relayed from Hillary to Abedin
Huma was a State employee at that time, Hillary had made her chief of staff at State. Sending classified information to her was legal. She was authorized to have it.

If Huma sent it on to her husband THAT is a problem for Huma, not for Clinton.

There's no actual allegation of wrongdoing by Clinton here. None whatsoever.
 

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And hence,...THE HILLARY CLINTON EMAILS investigation,...as per the FBI.

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Nope, looks like this really was about Weiner, not Clinton.
No new emails from Clinton in this investigation, its all about Weiner.
http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-reviewing-more-clinton-emails-514825


What's really interesting is that the largest issue in a US presidential election right now (aside from the usual Trump nonsense) is from a phishing attack.

Is it possible that a phishing attack could change the election somehow?
 

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WASHINGTON — The presidential campaign was rocked on Friday after federal law enforcement officials said that emails pertinent to the closed investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server were discovered on a computer belonging to Anthony D. Weiner, the estranged husband of a top Clinton aide.

Gone,... but not forgotten.

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Huma was a State employee at that time, Hillary had made her chief of staff at State. Sending classified information to her was legal. She was authorized to have it.

If Huma sent it on to her husband THAT is a problem for Huma, not for Clinton.

There's no actual allegation of wrongdoing by Clinton here. None whatsoever
Yes fuji. It was all legal.

That's why the FBI is conducting a major investigation right now. Because it was all legal
 

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LOL....I forgot to mention, that's also why the FBI decided to interrupt a general election. Because it was all legal and no laws were broken :biggrin1:
 

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LOL....I forgot to mention, that's also why the FBI decided to interrupt a general election. Because it was all legal and no laws were broken :biggrin1:
According to newsweek they had to do that to follow the letter of the law.
But its really hard not to wonder how much of the release, which appears to not show any corruption, is political.
 

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Clinton has been spending 50 to 1 against Trump in Florida yet he's competitive in the State. What does that tell you?
 

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LOL....I forgot to mention, that's also why the FBI decided to interrupt a general election. Because it was all legal and no laws were broken :biggrin1:
Or the Republican director decided to do this because he's a Republican. Fact is that not even one single allegation of wrongdoing against Clinton has been made.

This is beyond even innocent until proven guilty, which you were all crowing about when Trump was accused of numerous crimes.

She ISN'T EVEN ACCUSED OF ANYTHING.
 

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Or the Republican director decided to do this because he's a Republican. Fact is that not even one single allegation of wrongdoing against Clinton has been made.

This is beyond even innocent until proven guilty, which you were all crowing about when Trump was accused of numerous crimes.

She ISN'T EVEN ACCUSED OF ANYTHING
Denial runs deep in you, fuji
 

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According to the Director, the investigation hasn't even determined that the suspect emails found in this other investigation are classified, only that they might be, and might therefore be linked to the earlier investigation of the deleted emails because they were found on a computer used by Clinton's aide. Not that it'll matter a bit to Trumpians who closed their minds months ago, but there's a longish chain of cause and effect responsibility still to be connected, before this 'proves' anything about anybody.

But ya hafta wonder how long before 'Washingtonian' replaces 'Byzantine' as the preferred adjective for political conniving and twisted plotting. They've settled for picking their next Emperor by gladiator shows and team colours.

And the metaphor goes on: If Trump rode we might be be watching for his horse to be made Chair of the Joint Chiefs, The Apprentice definitely one-ups mere harp-strumming over the ashes of the Republic that neither performer was remotely qualified to govern.
 

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According to the Director, the investigation hasn't even determined that the suspect emails found in this other investigation are classified, only that they might be, and might therefore be linked to the earlier investigation of the deleted emails because they were found on a computer used by Clinton's aide. Not that it'll matter a bit to Trumpians who closed their minds months ago, but there's a longish chain of cause and effect responsibility still to be connected, before this 'proves' anything about anybody.
I love reading the extensive legal analysis by the non-lawyers on this board.

Anyone with an actual understanding of the justice system can read between the lines of Comey's letter to Congress. Comey is well aware of the policy of not initiating/resuming/announcing investigations against candidates this close to an election, without sufficient cause. You can be assured that he has reviewed enough information to form an opinion that sufficient cause exists in this instance. The language suggesting that no conclusions have yet been reached has to be there to avoid an attack on a subsequent prosecution based on a defense allegation that the evidence was cooked in order to suit a pre-determined conclusion. Don't confuse such language as meaning the FBI truly has no idea where this specific point of inquiry will lead.
 

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Let me just sum this up for you Libtards who are slow on the uptake.

A sitting FBI director would NOT make the announcement he just did in the heat of possibly the most important US election ever, unless there was something very serious in these emails. Possibly so big that it threatens the security of the United States.

Comey knows this. He's not fucking stupid!!

And if it wasnt something big Comey wouldve had a press conference already telling the US public that it was just something minor in those emails and the media exaggerated. But he didnt do that.

So something very incriminating is in those emails. Guaranteed!!
 

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Let me just sum this up for you Libtards who are slow on the uptake.
Insulting people makes you look stupid. Particularly when:

A sitting FBI director would NOT make the announcement he just did in the heat of possibly the most important US election ever, unless there was something very serious in these emails.
It turns out he has NO IDEA what is in those emails as he didn't even get a warrant to read them until today.

So he had ignored the advice of legal counsel, violated the Hatch law, and violated long-standing FBI policy, to give this impression that there must be something big going on, when the fact is that he has absolutely no idea whatever what is in these emails.
 

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And many are wondering why he is sitting on Trump/Putin connections with the Clinton hacks.[/url]
There are no connections.. Haha you'e gone full blown fuji.
 

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I love reading the extensive legal analysis by the non-lawyers on this board.

Anyone with an actual understanding of the justice system can read between the lines of Comey's letter to Congress. Comey is well aware of the policy of not initiating/resuming/announcing investigations against candidates this close to an election, without sufficient cause. You can be assured that he has reviewed enough information to form an opinion that sufficient cause exists in this instance. The language suggesting that no conclusions have yet been reached has to be there to avoid an attack on a subsequent prosecution based on a defense allegation that the evidence was cooked in order to suit a pre-determined conclusion. Don't confuse such language as meaning the FBI truly has no idea where this specific point of inquiry will lead.
How did you mistake a two-sentence paraphrase for an "…extensive legal analysis"? I think again, you missed the point. Anyone with any faith in the justice system would expect the FBI director to stick with what facts he knows at the moment. One would hope he wouldn't reach a conclusion until he has sufficient evidence — we call that conclusive evidence.

You may imagine he and the Bureau do this sort of stuff aimlessly, but don't impute such stupidity to others. The extensive and deep legal experience you preen yourself on may have convinced you the Bureau's case is already made, but if it were there would be no need to hold back from saying so, and he'd be handing the case off. Not still sifting through the thousands of emails to build it. Or not.

You may believe such stuff can be concluded in the span of a few commercials, but I think a weekend's just the beginning.
 

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How did you mistake a two-sentence paraphrase for an "…extensive legal analysis"? I think again, you missed the point. Anyone with any faith in the justice system would expect the FBI director to stick with what facts he knows at the moment. One would hope he wouldn't reach a conclusion until he has sufficient evidence — we call that conclusive evidence.

You may imagine he and the Bureau do this sort of stuff aimlessly, but don't impute such stupidity to others. The extensive and deep legal experience you preen yourself on may have convinced you the Bureau's case is already made, but if it were there would be no need to hold back from saying so, and he'd be handing the case off. Not still sifting through the thousands of emails to build it. Or not.

You may believe such stuff can be concluded in the span of a few commercials, but I think a weekend's just the beginning.
Thanks again for your supplementary analysis of the legal duties of, and operational policies applicable to of an FBI Director. LOL!

If you understood the process of investigation and the associated process of laying charges, you would find nothing controversial in what I've said.

One thing you clearly don't understand or acknowledge is that law enforcement (FBI) and prosecutors (DOJ) are both very conservative by nature. They don't like to lose. They don't like to bring charges or move forward with a case the very moment they are in possession of the bare minimum amount of evidence that might suffice for a conviction. On the contrary, they scour for as much evidence as they can possibly gather before they move forward, even if the magnitude of that evidence would be severe overkill. The only time they don't act this way is when they are forced to move forward prematurely by political imperatives (e.g. the Ghomeshi case). [It's not unknown for investigators/prosecutors to "tank" such cases, as a way of teaching their political masters a lesson].

Where Comey is at the moment is that he feels he's found something very significant which might make out a case against Clinton that the DOJ could easily win (which would defeat the howls of political partisanship which would ensue). However, don't expect him to share what he already has until he's fully explored what else there may be.

I also suspect that Weiner tipped the FBI off to the new e-mails in order to co-operate with them in connection with his own charges. Don't be surprised to find that Abedin is prepared to do the same to Clinton in order to avoid taking a fall.

However, there is an art as well as a science to investigation. Sometimes investigators release information/interim reports as a strategy to further evidence gathering. Considering that Comey's July report was so odd as to its legal analysis, and considering that Comey reportedly is a man of integrity and not a political hack, it now appears that the July report was just a step in the FBI investigation. We'll only know the full story when someone close to the case writes their memoirs one day.

Like Al Capone's accountant, it's always the bureaucratic types who hold the best and most reliable evidence.

p.s. Cue the fervent and unjustifiably confident legal analysis by noted non-lawyer mega poster (not you, Oldjones).
 

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One thing you clearly don't understand or acknowledge is that law enforcement (FBI) and prosecutors (DOJ) are both very conservative by nature. They don't like to lose. They don't like to bring charges or move forward with a case the very moment they are in possession of the bare minimum amount of evidence that might suffice for a conviction.
As usual you are just completely full of shit. Comey applied for a warrant to read the emails on Sunday. That means as of Sunday nobody in the FBI had even read the emails.

But keep on fucking that chicken.
 
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