Do you support the ban of logos referring to natives in sports clubs?

[Yoga Face]

logo has a red skin indian

they are called redskin because the first Indians the white man met in Newfoundland wore red pigment

Indians do not have red skin

the original red skins (Beothuk) from newfoundland were wiped out


During spring, the Beothuk used red ochre to paint not only their bodies, but also their houses, canoes, weapons, household appliances and musical instruments. This practice led Europeans to refer to them as "Red Indians". The use of ochre had great cultural significance. The decorating was done during an annual multi-day spring celebration. It designated tribal identity; for example, decorating newborn children was a way to welcome them into the tribe. Forbidding a person to wear ochre was a form of punishment.

It is up to Indians to decide if logo is offensive, not the white man

How about the "Cleveland Darkies" with this as a logo

Erected by the city of Natchitoches in grateful recognition of the arduous and faithful services of the good darkies of Louisiana.

Anslinger was commissioner of the U.S. Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Got it wrong about blacks and reefer. Pathetic. Donald Trump of his day .

not sure what foster was saying but a childlike poem regardless

I guess figs stopped farting?

 

[Frankfooter]

It is up to Indians to decide if logo is offensive, not the white man

I agree.

And the word I've heard is that they are offended.
Scrap 'em.

(by the way, 'Indian' is borderline these days. some like it, some find it offensive)

 

[Yoga Face]

I agree.

And the word I've heard is that they are offended.
Scrap 'em.

(by the way, 'Indian' is borderline these days. some like it, some find it offensive)

they are not Indians

they are called Indians because explores thought they were in India

 

[Aardvark154]

Hmm, I wonder how long before someone proposing banning My Old Kentucky Home as the state song of Kentucky because it has this line in the third verse which is never sung and has had the words changed in any event.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I'm not native, so I have know idea how it effects them.

But I would take it as a compliment,...who would call their team the Pasadena Pussies, or the Winnipeg Wusses,...???

FAST

Neither am I, and I also think that it's a compliment in certain cases. "Braves" is a compliment is it not? "Red Skins" maybe not. Cleveland Indians suggests some kind of pride in the indigenous settlers?

 

[GPIDEAL]

they are not Indians

they are called Indians because explores thought they were in India

I should've known that, and maybe I forgot the reason, but thank you for explaining it again. I can understand the objection to that term.

 

[GPIDEAL]

logo has a red skin indian

they are called redskin because the first Indians the white man met in Newfoundland wore red pigment

Indians do not have red skin

the original red skins (Beothuk) from newfoundland were wiped out


During spring, the Beothuk used red ochre to paint not only their bodies, but also their houses, canoes, weapons, household appliances and musical instruments. This practice led Europeans to refer to them as "Red Indians". The use of ochre had great cultural significance. The decorating was done during an annual multi-day spring celebration. It designated tribal identity; for example, decorating newborn children was a way to welcome them into the tribe. Forbidding a person to wear ochre was a form of punishment.

It is up to Indians to decide if logo is offensive, not the white man

How about the "Cleveland Darkies" with this as a logo

https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/thegooddarky.jpg?w=500&h=332

Erected by the city of Natchitoches in grateful recognition of the arduous and faithful services of the good darkies of Louisiana.



http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quo...d-as-white-men-harry-j-anslinger-54-35-38.jpg


Anslinger was commissioner of the U.S. Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Got it wrong about blacks and reefer. Pathetic. Donald Trump of his day .


http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures...elight-the-time-has-stephen-foster-229571.jpg

not sure what foster was saying but a childlike poem regardless


http://www.antiquebottles.com/rl/tc/CalFigMammy.jpg

I guess figs stopped farting?

Thanks for this again Yoga.

But it couldn't just be the 'Indians' from Newfoundland. Surely, other tribes south of the border wore red paint, no? (I also thought 'redskins' was referring to painted faces, etc., although maybe some had varying skin tones based on genetics and climate).

 

[Mr. Piggy]

Wow, really?

Ya, really.

 

[Ref]

I think they should ban animal names as well.

 

[Aardvark154]

Neither am I, and I also think that it's a compliment in certain cases. "Braves" is a compliment is it not? "Red Skins" maybe not. Cleveland Indians suggests some kind of pride in the indigenous settlers?

Named for Louis Sockalexis a star player for the teams previous incarnation. The title of Indians was the choice of the Cleveland sports reporters in 1915, it having been a nickname applied to the Cleveland Spiders during the three seasons Louis Sockalexis, a member of the Penobscot Nation, played in Cleveland.

To my mind, it isn't so much the name, as it is the disrespectful logo.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Named for Louis Sockalexis a star player for the teams previous incarnation. The title of Indians was the choice of the Cleveland sports reporters in 1915, it having been a nickname applied to the Cleveland Spiders during the three seasons Louis Sockalexis, a member of the Penobscot Nation, played in Cleveland.

To my mind, it isn't so much the name, as it is the disrespectful logo.

I see. Very interesting. Thank you for the history lesson. The logo is not complimenting. Perhaps a portrait of Louis Sockalexis? That would be great.

 

[thesun]

If you don't believe the last is racist and the others are, reflect on your double standard.

Exactly. Such a shame this is still an ongoing issue.

 

[Jake2525]

Considering Canada still has an "Indian Act" we should be working on higher level issues than sports team logos

 

[TeeJay]

It supposed to be a caricature of an Indian, the older one in the 1948 is much worst Imo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Wahoo

Not surprised but Wiki is once again wrong
The indian logo dates back to 1928, and was not a caricature either
It actually looks decent, no idea why they switched logos in 1947 (most pics of new logo are from 48 world championship team)

 

[mandrill]

I see. Very interesting. Thank you for the history lesson. The logo is not complimenting. Perhaps a portrait of Louis Sockalexis? That would be great.

I have no problem with the Chicago Black Hawks logo and name, which isn't derogatory. But the name "Chief Wahoo"??!!

 

[frankcastle]

as long as their are some offended aboriginals then it should be scrapped.

replace atlanta brave tomahawl chop with your best african spear chucker imitation and see how people would react.

for me redskin and indian are offensive.

brave and blackhawk seems okay but it is not for me to say as i am not native.

the real question is what harm would come to cleveland for picking a new mascot? would old school fans follow a different team?

 

[whollycheeses]

If this is such an important and pressing issue, why did it not come up until the playoffs? I believe Cleveland and Toronto play each other during the regular season as well. Must not have been that important a few months ago I guess.

 

[italianguy74]

I always looked at it like it is their city so tribute the team name as a reminder to never forget the founders of the land. It was never meant to be an offensive message.

 

[italianguy74]

If you don't believe the last is racist and the others are, reflect on your double standard.

I wouldn't look at this example as a double standard, the word jews are racial slurs and chinamen are not the founders. The cities dont naturally belong to them. Indian isnt a racial slur and it is in fact their city.

Some people like me look at naming a cities team after a race that are not the founders would be in comparison of removing a home owners name from their mail box and replacing it with my own. Cities never name their teams after a mockery or something that is considered weak, the team names symbolize strength and or a piece of a cities foundation that the people are proud of.

 

[Ridgeman08]

This whole thing is complete bullshit.

The only time this comes to the forefront by the "so called" offended is when a team makes it to the playoffs. The people that spearhead these protests are attention seekers! Where were they the rest of the season?!?! The same thing happened in 92, when the Braves came to town...

Get over it.. Its just the nickname of a sports team that's been around for decades. Why all of a sudden is it an issue now?

The bigger issue here is how do the "Jays" avoid getting completely SCALPED By the "Indians"!