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Why on earth would Egypt or Jordan agree to that? You are just blathering along without any thought to what that entails
Egypt and Jordan are FAR more likely to agree to integrate Palestinian territory than Israel is. That is blindingly obvious to anybody not consumed with hate.

You never stop and ask yourself why Israel would agree to an influx of millions of Arabs with which it has fought multiple wars, but you somehow think your question makes sense when it's Arab countries.

You are too far gone to see how ridiculous you are.

By the way, Egypt and Jordan are responsible for the whole mess since they were the aggressors in the war that resulted in occupation. Why wouldn't they take responsibility????
 

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Interesting post on Israel's ADL and their support of Apartheid South Africa, including offering to sell them nukes to hep prop up apartheid.


The Anti-Discrimination League (ADL), for instance, only poses as a human rights organization. It has at least sometimes functioned as an intelligence organization working on behalf of a foreign state.
Back in the late 1970s and through the 1980s, at the height of the anti-Apartheid movement, the Israeli government was a firm supporter of the racist faction of Afrikaaners. The Israeli government even offered nukes to the white supremacist South African government for use on its African neighbors if they became too uppity. It appears to have instructed the ADL in the US to spy on anti-Apartheid activists, who were engaged in a boycott, divest and sanctions campaign against Praetoria. Many of the same groups were also involved in pro-Palestinian activities.
The ADL in the San Francisco Bay area carefully compiled files on 10,000 Americans and 600 organizations. One ADL secret agent leaked the files on the anti-Apartheid activists, and South Africans in political exile, to the Apartheid government, with potentially dire consequences for any of them that the South African secret police could get hold of.
It is worth noting that President Barack Obama gave his first political speech, in 1981 on the Occidental campus, against Apartheid. Maybe he ADL has a file on him somewhere.
Jeffrey Blankfort reports, based on the dossier of ADL activities ordered released when it lost the suit the activists brought against it, that “The ADL supplied confidential information to foreign governments that it obtained from police and federal agencies in the US.”
One of the people on which the ADL was spying, the non-violent activist Alex Odeh of the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee, was assassinated in 1985; (there is no evidence of a connection).
http://www.juancole.com/2016/06/activists-tradition-mccarthyism.html

It just shows that Israel has a history of dirty fighting against boycotts on apartheid.
 

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He was still their leader and ultimately it led to victory. Did he disavow these attacks as leader of SA?
Yes. he repeatedly disavowed violence.

Barghouti directly led and organized suicide bombings and dozens of other terror attacks. That is why he is in jail.
 

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Egypt and Jordan are FAR more likely to agree to integrate Palestinian territory than Israel is. ...
Lets say as likely. Eqypt does not to add more Muslim Brotherhood adherents like Hamas (Hell, even under Morsi they blockaded Hamas). Jordan already had PLO terror campaigns against it. Even though a Jordanian West Bank makes sense as except for the imported Hashemites, the people on the East Bank of the Jordan are ethnically and culturally identical to those in the West Bank it will never happen as the Hashemites have already been struggling to maintain control.

And as long as major Palestinian factions are more interested in the destruction of Jewish civilians than they are in peace, a One State plan is asinine.
 

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Yes. he repeatedly disavowed violence.

Barghouti directly led and organized suicide bombings and dozens of other terror attacks. That is why he is in jail.
According to the kangaroo military courts of Israel.
Do you have any real evidence?
 

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And as long as major Palestinian factions are more interested in the destruction of Jewish civilians than they are in peace, a One State plan is asinine.
As long as racist fools continue to claim they speak for another people its not likely either.

For those who have an open mind and want to hear what Hamas has to say, as opposed to what Basketcase claims they think:
Thus, what is needed, realistically, is for Israel to declare that it wants to withdraw to the pre-1967 borders, proving to the Palestinians that it is serious about having peace with the Palestinians. In theory, it would have made sense in 1993, but for Palestinians, after 23 years of failed negotiations with Israel that got us from bad to worse, I don't think we are ready to repeat the same experience with Israel, at least under the same conditions.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/israel-security-guarantees-160605112644188.html
 

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Lets say as likely. Eqypt does not to add more Muslim Brotherhood adherents like Hamas (Hell, even under Morsi they blockaded Hamas). Jordan already had PLO terror campaigns against it. Even though a Jordanian West Bank makes sense as except for the imported Hashemites, the people on the East Bank of the Jordan are ethnically and culturally identical to those in the West Bank it will never happen as the Hashemites have already been struggling to maintain control.

And as long as major Palestinian factions are more interested in the destruction of Jewish civilians than they are in peace, a One State plan is asinine.
Well Hamas is a problem. There really is NO solution until Hamas has been eliminated. No matter what you call it, Hamas will go on trying to kill Jews.

But assuming that some solution to the Hamas problem can be found, integrating Gaza with the rest of the Sinai as part of Egypt makes a lot of sense.

Egypt's current struggles with the MB will likely come to some political resolution within a generation or two, at which point integration with Gaza is feasible.
 

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As long as racist fools continue to claim they speak for another people its not likely either.

For those who have an open mind and want to hear what Hamas has to say, as opposed to what Basketcase claims they think:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/israel-security-guarantees-160605112644188.html
Hamas does not accept Israel on pre-1967 borders nor on any other borders. Hamas has stated that they are willing to "accept" any step that sees Israeli borders rolled back to any extent -- but that they see it only as a step, towards their eventual goal of the complete elimination of Israel.

And your Hamas heroes try to accomplish that by murdering innocent civilians -- it is JUST SICKENING that you spew their garbage here. You border on being a criminal in your support of terrorism -- it's a crime in Canada.
 

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As long as racist fools continue to claim they speak for another people its not likely either.

For those who have an open mind and want to hear what Hamas has to say, ...
Didn't you just proudly post about Hamas refusing to negotiate and insisting that they go back to before 1948.

And your arguments are obviously so far out to lunch that you need to rely on name calling.
 

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Didn't you just proudly post about Hamas refusing to negotiate and insisting that they go back to before 1948.

And your arguments are obviously so far out to lunch that you need to rely on name calling.
'Proudly'?
You really are ridiculous.

Look, you keep talking as if are the mouthpiece of Hamas, as if you know better then they what they want.
And as long as major Palestinian factions are more interested in the destruction of Jewish civilians than they are in peace,
If the races used in that kind of talk were reversed here, you'd be banned.
Funny how that works, eh?

So what's your plan?
More violence?
More apartheid?

You've got nothing positive to offer to this discussion other then your hatred of the other.
 

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"Palestinian factions" are not a race or a religion, they are terrorists.

That is one of your incessant lies, trying to pretend that "Hamas" includes all Palestinians. Maybe in your sick jihadi mind Palestinians and Hamas are one, I don't doubt you chant that while waving your Hamas flag.

Reality is that Hamas is just about the worst thing that ever happened to Palestinians, who are victims of Hamas.

And your nonstop apartheid lie exposes you as a hate mongering bigot incapable of reasonable debate.
 

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'Proudly'?
You really are ridiculous.

Look, you keep talking as if are the mouthpiece of Hamas, as if you know better then they what they want.


If the races used in that kind of talk were reversed here, you'd be banned.
Funny how that works, eh?

So what's your plan?
More violence?
More apartheid?

You've got nothing positive to offer to this discussion other then your hatred of the other.
You are such a pathetic joke with your accusations of racism. Hamas are terrorists. Our country clearly states so.

If you need more proof you could just look at the Hamas gunmen shooting up a market and the Hamas leadership proudly promising more.
 

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And I've stated my plan several times. You just don't want to accept it because it involves either Hamas turning their backs on terrorism to discuss peace or Hamas terrorists being disarmed.
 

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And I've stated my plan several times. You just don't want to accept it because it involves either Hamas turning their backs on terrorism to discuss peace or Hamas terrorists being disarmed.
Your 'plan' is total subjugation.
You just want Palestinians to surrender all rights, including the rights to defend themselves before you consider whether you'll give them peace.

Oh, and here's what Hamas says about disarming as a precondition to peace talks:
Hamdan: We have a firm belief that Palestinians have the right to self-determination. Once statehood is achieved, Palestinians will decide the nature of that state. But when the Israelis dictate that the Palestinian state must be un-armed or demilitarised, it makes us worry.

Palestinians are the ones being attacked, and Palestinians are the weaker side, so when Israel [the stronger party] demands that the weaker side be stripped of its capability to defend itself in any case, it means that Israel intends to continue to behave in the same manner it does now; a controlling military and economic overlord over our lives.

And when the Israelis, or others, speak of "security guarantees", in reality it is we, the Palestinians, who are in need of such guarantees, not the other way around. And if Israel says it really wants peace with us and in the region, then it does not need the huge military arsenal it has now.

We believe that when Israel say that we must be unarmed, we believe Israel is just not serious about peace with the Palestinians.
You aren't serious about peace, you are only serious about dominating another race.
 

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Your 'plan' is total subjugation.
You just want Palestinians to surrender all rights, including the rights to defend themselves before you consider whether you'll give them peace.

Oh, and here's what Hamas says about disarming as a precondition to peace talks:


You aren't serious about peace, you are only serious about dominating another race.
Hamas isn't a valid side. Stop supporting terrorism.
 

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The fact that you consider disarming a terrorist group 'subjugation' shows your true nature.
Your plan is to 'disarm them' by force, not come to peace through negotiations.
That's subjugation.

If you want peace and you want them disarmed you negotiate and give them concessions for them to disarm.
All you want is for the IDF to come in by force and keep them under full subjugation.
 
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