Clients Video Taping Escorts when they arrive at Incall

GPIDEAL

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so based on this info... would the "nanny cam" example.. ie: leaving a camera to 'spy' on your child care provider... be illegal in Canada?

I ask because I leave motion sensored cameras on at my place when I'm not home. So far all I've recorded is the squirrels and the neighbours cat pissing in my flower beds. LoL but if a person comes into that frame am I breaking the law?
I think a nanny cam should be okay. It's your home, not the nanny's. She can't totally 'be at home'.

A lot of people have such cameras for their home security system. I doubt very much it is illegal (a burglar wouldn't have any expectation of privacy), and would be valuable in catching any intruder.
 

GPIDEAL

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Not so. Ontario is a "one party consent" jurisdiction. So long as one of the people in a conversation is aware that it is being recorded, the recording is legal. What is not allowed is third party recording - you can't spy on other people with video equipment. But you can record yourself, even if you are interacting with someone else. For example, when I sell a gun online, and the buyer picks up from my home, I do record the whole interaction, just in case. In Ontario that's legal. In some US states, I would have to have told the buyer they were being recorded.

Things get murkier when it comes to a sexual relationship. I think most people would want/assume that recording someone having sex is illegal, even if you are also in the frame. I am not sure what the law is in that case -- it may be illegal, it may be legal, it may be that the courts have never really had to deal with it. You can bet that a judge would take a very dim view and look for ways to crack down on the person making the surreptitious recording -- but whether there's an actual law? I don't know.

But in the normal case you can record yourself interacting with other people without having to inform them. You just can't record third parties without telling them about it. (So you can't record your guest in the bathroom, because you're not there and they didn't consent, etc.)

So using a pen cam to catch a bully-boss breaking policy or the law in his interaction with you, is okay? (Agreed with the bathroom scenario - that's described in my Criminal Code provision on Voyeurism above).
 

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The solution for both parties is to have incalls that are only dimly lit. The human eye can adjust and see well in low light, so it doesn't detract much from the session. While there are some cameras that can deal with very low light, they tend to have large lenses and large sensors internally, making them bulky and difficult to conceal.

Video from a dimly lit environment is unlikely to be of high enough quality to positively identify anyone and so mitigates the risk of blackmail, accidental or intentional upload to the internet, or c36 prosecution.

Woops. At the risk of starting WW3.

Have you seen the images that a cars review camera comes up with? At night the picture is crystal clear with just a little indirect light outside the car. I wouldn't trust a low light condition to protect you if that being recorded in this manner concerns one.
 

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I guess I'll just wait til google's contact lenses come to revisit this thread.
I wonder if lens detectors can even work with them either.
 

vader71

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Here is a crazy thought - how about visiting an SP that allows video taping? You can enjoy an amazing, consensual POV video, and everyone is happy at the end. That's what I do - you'd be surprised how many providers allow private filming. I always ask before booking.

Cheers,
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If Ontario law allows video recording as long as one party knows, that is one of the most stupid laws I've heard. Worth checking out how this stupidity originated.
 

SkyRider

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If Ontario law allows video recording as long as one party knows, that is one of the most stupid laws I've heard. Worth checking out how this stupidity originated.
A CBC guy was caught videotaping his tenants. He is in deep shit now.
 

SkyRider

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how about visiting an SP that allows video taping?
A few years ago I asked one of my close friends to shoot a video of me in action with a woman. He politely declined the both times I asked him. I never raised the question again.

BTW: I took some pics of a dancer (with her full permission of course) in an SC. It was so dark I saw nothing on the camera monitor so I had to use the flash. Wonder if anybody in the club noticed the flash going off?
 

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Seriously, the next time I see a phone in a client's hand or peeping out of his jacket, I'm just going to bitch slap him and show him the door LOL. Can't say I didn't warn ya!

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Garrett

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Seriously, the next time I see a phone in a client's hand or peeping out of his jacket, I'm just going to bitch slap him and show him the door LOL. Can't say I didn't warn ya!

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Now you need to be worried about the BDSM crowd looking for a complimentary bitch slap.

The primary saving grace is the people doing this are generally idiots and very obvious in what they are doing.
 

password88

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Why don't you just tell the customers or johns or whichever terms you refer them too as, just come into your incall nude? Leave all their clothing outside but don't forget the money.
 

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Seriously, the next time I see a phone in a client's hand or peeping out of his jacket, I'm just going to bitch slap him and show him the door LOL. Can't say I didn't warn ya!

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Epic thread bump. What happened?
 

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If Ontario law allows video recording as long as one party knows, that is one of the most stupid laws I've heard. Worth checking out how this stupidity originated.
Replying although this was from two years ago:

Ontario law allows recording conversations by a participant in the conversation, like a phone call where you are one of the parties. If you are NOT one of the parties you can only record if you alert the parties on the call (hence the this call will be recorded msgs when you call customer service, since the person recording ISN'T the individual CSR you are talking to but rather some IT guy not on the call).


I'm not sure if there's any precedent on whether that concept can be applied to video, and particularly nude video.
 

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I'm not sure if there's any precedent on whether that concept can be applied to video, and particularly nude video.
Law is very clear
Uploading a sex video without others consent is a crime
Making a voyeuristic video (no consent) is a crime
 

SkyRider

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Law is very clear
Uploading a sex video without others consent is a crime
Making a voyeuristic video (no consent) is a crime
Not sure if the same law applies in Canada, but Erin Andrews and Hulk Hogan won huge court awards because they were video taped without their consent.

Question: Is it also illegal to post fake pics e.g. photoshopping your head on someone else's nude body?
 

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Law is very clear
Uploading a sex video without others consent is a crime
Making a voyeuristic video (no consent) is a crime
Yeah, I found it: section 162 was updated to explicitly criminalize making a surreptitious video of sexual activity and has no exception for being a participant the way the wiretap section does.
 

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Yeah, I found it: section 162 was updated to explicitly criminalize making a surreptitious video of sexual activity and has no exception for being a participant the way the wiretap section does.
I'm not a lawyer but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

I think this law only applies where there is an expectation of privacy. It doesn't apply when you are doing the nasty on a public beach or on a public park bench.
 
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