University of North Carolina cost: In-state: $24,349 Out-of-state: $49,431
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point to a post here on terb where i said i hate women based on their gender?
and point to a post where i said i hate people based on their race?
People realize that the reason why white people are represented heavily in just about everything in western countries is do to:
- There's tons of white people to start with
- White people are part of every part of the society/country..... rich/poor, good job/bad job, academic/blue collar/athletic background, east coast/west coast/any coast etc.....
- White people are financially better off than the avg black or hispanic person/family
So the media, business, advertising etc..... all trying to make a buck..... focus on white people.
OMG! Guess what? If you go to Asia or South America or Africa...... there's lots of Asians, South Americans and Africans on TV, in schools, in ads!
- There's tons of white people to start with
- White people are part of every part of the society/country..... rich/poor, good job/bad job, academic/blue collar/athletic background, east coast/west coast/any coast etc.....
- White people are financially better off than the avg black or hispanic person/family
So the media, business, advertising etc..... all trying to make a buck..... focus on white people.
OMG! Guess what? If you go to Asia or South America or Africa...... there's lots of Asians, South Americans and Africans on TV, in schools, in ads!
University of North Carolina among others is the subject of a discrimination lawsuit.
"That follows a lawsuit filed last year against Harvard and the University of North Carolina by a group of Asian-American students making similar charges."
"Asian-Americans need 140 SAT points out of 1,600 more than whites to get a place at a private university, and that blacks need 310 fewer points."
http://www.economist.com/news/brief...successful-minority-they-are-complaining-ever
"That follows a lawsuit filed last year against Harvard and the University of North Carolina by a group of Asian-American students making similar charges."
"Asian-Americans need 140 SAT points out of 1,600 more than whites to get a place at a private university, and that blacks need 310 fewer points."
http://www.economist.com/news/brief...successful-minority-they-are-complaining-ever
So much for equality. Oh wait, no matter how well or bad you do, the government will try to "auto-balance" admissions by penalizing Asians and giving free pts to black people.
What's the point of Asians doing well in school if they get propped up on a higher qualifying standard? So that it makes them try even higher and get even better scores? And then the threshold gets set even higher?
That's sure some dumb logic.
And even funnier, many Asian students who do well are from overseas with half crappy English skills. Yet generally, they still do pretty darn well in school.
Other ethnicities should learn and thing or two.
Yeah, this has been our society for at least the past 2 decades. If someone is good, penalize them by raising the bar. If someone is bad, reward them by lowering the bar.
We have seen the lowering of the bar for candidates who failed the standards in firefighter, police, military, etc. jobs. Why, because it is only fair.
If Harvard was their only choices then I might be worried but there have to be well over a thousand schools in the US. As it is, Harvard is a private University and if they want to encourage diversity that is their choice (and I am sure that there are a number of fantastic candidates in disadvantaged groups who wouldn't have thought of Harvard otherwise). Harvard is a business that profits from their reputation and if they think changing their reputation from a bastion of elitism will profit them that is their choice. And on the other side, Harvard students are going to Harvard specifically for that same reputation (because the education is not any better). Part of the old Harvard reputation was you got in because you had rich parents who went to Harvard, not because of merit. Changing that reputation helps the students as well. Would suck for the students who didn't get in but the only thing they are actually losing is the name 'Harvard' on their resume. They can still wear a Harvard sweatshirt or just bitch about all universities like the OP.
Even though it is a private university, Harvard is subject to Title IX?
http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releas...-harassment-including-sexual-assault-students
Another question: Why don't Ivy League grant athletic scholarships?
Fair enough.
But the whole gender or racial auto-balancing standard thing goes across many companies, schools and government.
Funny thing is that in my whole life of school and work, I've never seen "better work" or "better ideas" just because a group of people are mixed, as opposed to a group of white people discussing something. Just because someone is a different gender or race doesn't mean the quality of work magically gets better. I've worked with men/women, and all races and I've seen it all. Some are great people, some are idiots.
Quality output comes from people with smarts, willingness to put in quality work, and experience. Expecting quality just because there is a mix of different looks is false.
The argument is that if you bring i people of different backgrounds, and everyone tosses in ideas that you can cherry pick the best ideas and come up with a best solution. Says who? What if a White person, Asian person, Indian person and Black person were all born in Canada and were raised with similar upbringings? Then what? You have a group of people with different racial backgrounds, but their grassroots culture are the same. So it negates the objective anyway.
I can understand it from a PR standpoint. It looks good. And if you promote it to everyone, it gets more attention, submissions and you can jack up the fees. Nothing makes a school mor ehappy then increasing the international student enrollment since they get charged probably double the tuition..... which doesn't even make sense to begin with. Name one other industry where a foreigner wanting to buy something gets stamped a price sticker double the rate than a local?
Of course not but increasing the number of candidates makes it more likely to find stellar candidates. I'd use Jackie Robinson as a simple example.
Nobody is saying don't consider a wider pool of people. Any place can consider as many as they can.
The key for me is to pick the best bunch. Not cherry pick people of different appearance for sake of PR.
But a University is not hiring candidates for their productivity. Rather undergrads are essentially just a university searching for the few who will end up writing PhDs so the school can attach its name to any awards they win. They also know that high school marks or SATs aren't a direct indicator of University success (not that there is a better practical method for it) so aren't too worried with a little fluidity to the cut off.
It's not just about SAT scores. Many of these students have both huge SAT scores and all kinds of extra curricular activities, volunteer work etc.... What more do you want? It makes no difference to me if they are male/female or white/black.
Take the student that achieves the best and reward them with admissions.
What's the point of having kids try their hardest (especially Asians), when they can get shot down because they are doing too good?
Universities and governments now are more about social engineering than about talent or merit.
A Harvard University will always get its fair share of talented students so it can "afford" to carry a few dummies to satisfy the social justice warriors ("SJW") because it is only "fair". It's not always about the best and brightest in Western society. For example, shouldn't basketball teams also have a few token whites and Asians so that it is more representative of the community?
A Harvard University will always get its fair share of talented students so it can "afford" to carry a few dummies to satisfy the social justice warriors ("SJW") because it is only "fair". It's not always about the best and brightest in Western society. For example, shouldn't basketball teams also have a few token whites and Asians so that it is more representative of the community?
Private Universities are not run as a reward for good performance in high school. As I said they are a business and looking for the people who will bring them money and renown through their research.
