The End is Near

[FAST]

Is that really what you call research?
Did you fail high school, its obvious you've never had much education, but this is really pathetic.

Two partial sentences without any sources?
Those partial, unattributed quotes could be anything, as in:
Donald Trumps hair is so poorly glued on "that it could be completely gone by" the end of a press conference.
"Seven years from now" FAST will have finished his matchbook cover English for dummies course.

Those were the quotes, correct?

As can be expected,...footer ignores what he can't handle.

I already told you,...loser,... that I would provide the source of his quotes,... but you are gutless once again.

Those sentences are from a conscript of one of his many lying escapades, specifically on one subject,...from one source,...the topic being,... the disappearing Arctic ice cap .

Your call,...man up for once,...do you accept that he made those statements,...if I give you a creditable source,...???

FAST

 

[Frankfooter]

Your call,...man up for once,...do you accept that he made those statements,...if I give you a creditable source,...???

FAST

If you've got legitimate sources, then sure I would accept that he made those quotes.
Go ahead now, show me the clip of the polar bear drowning and your quote from wattsupwithidiots.com

Blow me away with the depths of your research.

 

[Moviefan-2]

you've given up on the bet now have you?

I provided you with the names of the two books you are to review.

Given your challenges with basic literacy, I imagine it will be quite some time before we ever see your reviews. :thumb:

Meanwhile, I don't want you to think your month-long temper tantrum was all for naught. While your nutty rantings weren't the least bit persuasive in terms of the outcome of the bet, you did come up with some gems that will be added to the newly created list of Franky's greatest hits on global warming.

I don't want the list to get too unwieldy so I'm only going with the top ones -- the dumbest of the dumb, if you like. I'll update the list this evening.

At some point, it might even be worthy of its own thread.

 

[Frankfooter]

I provided you with the names of the two books you are to review.

Now that you've been totally embarrassed and shamed on the poll thread, to the point where you won't even reply, after you've been shown to be a total weasel about the bet you're just going to sulk around other threads and pretend you won?

Typical denier of science and denier of reality.

Its time you admit you lost or you will find every post you put up here will be followed by this:

So in order to win the bet, all the temperature has to do is hit 0.83ºC anomaly for the year of 2015, correct?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.

Click on the link above.
It now reads 0.87ºC.

Moviefan lost the bet.
As loser he must buy these two books, read them and review them here:
http://www.amazon.ca/The-Hockey-Stick-Climate-Wars/dp/0231152558
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/05...=as2&tag=grlasbl0a-20&linkId=F7NQQFQ4THAO2JDE

Will moviefan act like a weasel or a man?

 

[Moviefan-2]

Now that you've been totally embarrassed and shamed on the poll thread, to the point where you won't even reply, after you've been shown to be a total weasel about the bet you're just going to sulk around other threads and pretend you won?

For more than a month now, you have tried -- and failed -- to use tortured "math" and a blatantly dishonest approach to statistics to create the fairy-tale conclusion that you won the bet. You have tried to make that fairy-tale argument in at least four different threads that I know about.

The matter is settled. You lost.

That's not just my opinion. It is also the view of the majority of TERB members who voted in a poll on the matter: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/poll.php?pollid=5603&do=showresults

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Meanwhile, I did say I would update the list of Frankfooter's greatest hits. This only goes back to November, as there's enough here to generate plenty of laughs. Hopefully, Franky will let us know if he thinks I have missed any of his most inane comments.

- Nov. 10, 2015 -- He calculated that the "pre-industrial age" refers to the year 1990: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...armer-Planet&p=5394609&viewfull=1#post5394609. He repeated that claim on Nov. 21: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ing-Point%92&p=5404144&viewfull=1#post5404144

- Nov. 21, 2015 -- He claimed it was "conspiracy thread business" to assert that NASA's pre-adjusted data (which ran to the end of May) showed there wasn't a single month in 2015 that was a record breaker: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5403467&viewfull=1#post5403467. He spent an entire weekend making that argument until he was finally forced to concede that I was right.

Nov. 27, 2015 -- This is still one of my favourites. He posted a graph that he said shows the "IPCC's projection" for 2015: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5410384&viewfull=1#post5410384. Then, after it was explained to him that the graph shows the IPCC's predictions have been spectacularly wrong, he said it was "not an IPCC projection" and ran away from his own graph: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5416739&viewfull=1#post5416739

- Nov. 29, 2015 -- He said NASA and NOAA don't use sea surface temperatures in their calculations of the global temperature anomalies: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...imate-Change&p=5411862&viewfull=1#post5411862. Actually, they do.

- Dec. 1, 2015 -- Another classic. He said the ninth month of the year is "March": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5414060&viewfull=1#post5414060

- Dec. 5, 2015 -- He posted what he said is a Met Office graph that shows updated HadCRUT4 data: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5416886&viewfull=1#post5416886. In fact, the graph came from Columbia University and uses the entirely different NASA data.

-- Jan. 8, 2016 -- He said NASA has "never altered any data, all they did was alter the weighting of ocean temperature readings....": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5443355&viewfull=1#post5443355

- Jan. 10, 2016 -- He said I was "lying" when I said that a temperature change from 0.68ºC to 0.83ºC is an increase of 0.15ºC: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5445053&viewfull=1#post5445053

 

[FAST]

If you've got legitimate sources, then sure I would accept that he made those quotes.
Blow me away with the depths of your research.

Quotes confirmed by your posts,..."that it could be completely gone by",...and,... "Seven years from now."
The subject as stated,...the Arctic ice cap.

The source is the Noble Prize organization's transcript of Fat Al's Nobel Prize acceptance speech in 2007,...I know,...sounds kind of ridiculous,...maybe it was for the most lies stated in 15 minutes.

FAST

 

[Frankfooter]

Quotes confirmed by your posts,..."that it could be completely gone by",...and,... "Seven years from now."
The subject as stated,...the Arctic ice cap.

The source is the Noble Prize organization's transcript of Fat Al's Nobel Prize acceptance speech in 2007,...I know,...sounds kind of ridiculous,...maybe it was for the most lies stated in 15 minutes.

FAST

Still no source?
Why am I not surprised.

 

[Frankfooter]

For more than a month now, you have tried -- and failed -- to use tortured "math" and a blatantly dishonest approach to statistics to create the fairy-tale conclusion that you won the bet. You have tried to make that fairy-tale argument in at least four different threads that I know about.

The only one using 'tortured math', 'denier math' or a blatantly dishonest approach is you.
You tried to pull the same weasel moves on the bet in June, and promised you'd keep to the bet, yet you keep saying the numbers need to be 'adjusted' to your weasel numbers.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5458647&viewfull=1#post5458647

No math is required to read the bet, click on the link to the chart you chose and then read the number.

So in order to win the bet, all the temperature has to do is hit 0.83ºC anomaly for the year of 2015, correct?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.

Click on the link above.
It now reads 0.87ºC.

Moviefan lost the bet.
As loser he must buy these two books, read them and review them here:
http://www.amazon.ca/The-Hockey-Stick-Climate-Wars/dp/0231152558
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/05...=as2&tag=grlasbl0a-20&linkId=F7NQQFQ4THAO2JDE

 

[FAST]

Still no source?
Why am I not surprised.

I gave you the source,...not my problem you don't believe the NOBLE PRIZE ORGANISATION,...knew you would slither away.

FAST

 

[Moviefan-2]

We'll add "settled" and "lost" to the enormous list of words that Frankfooter doesn't understand.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Actually, I feel I must add post #68 to Frankfooter's greatest hits.

- Nov. 10, 2015 -- He calculated that the "pre-industrial age" refers to the year 1990: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...armer-Planet&p=5394609&viewfull=1#post5394609. He repeated that claim on Nov. 21: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ing-Point%92&p=5404144&viewfull=1#post5404144

- Nov. 21, 2015 -- He claimed it was "conspiracy thread business" to assert that NASA's pre-adjusted data (which ran to the end of May) showed there wasn't a single month in 2015 that was a record breaker: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5403467&viewfull=1#post5403467. He spent an entire weekend making that argument until he was finally forced to concede that I was right.

Nov. 27, 2015 -- This is still one of my favourites. He posted a graph that he said shows the "IPCC's projection" for 2015: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5410384&viewfull=1#post5410384. Then, after it was explained to him that the graph shows the IPCC's predictions have been spectacularly wrong, he said it was "not an IPCC projection" and ran away from his own graph: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5416739&viewfull=1#post5416739

- Nov. 29, 2015 -- He said NASA and NOAA don't use sea surface temperatures in their calculations of the global temperature anomalies: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...imate-Change&p=5411862&viewfull=1#post5411862. Actually, they do.

- Dec. 1, 2015 -- Another classic. He said the ninth month of the year is "March": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5414060&viewfull=1#post5414060

- Dec. 5, 2015 -- He posted what he said is a Met Office graph that shows updated HadCRUT4 data: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5416886&viewfull=1#post5416886. In fact, the graph came from Columbia University and uses the entirely different NASA data.

-- Jan. 8, 2016 -- He said NASA has "never altered any data, all they did was alter the weighting of ocean temperature readings....": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5443355&viewfull=1#post5443355

- Jan. 10, 2016 -- He said I was "lying" when I said that a temperature change from 0.68ºC to 0.83ºC is an increase of 0.15ºC: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5445053&viewfull=1#post5445053

- Jan. 28, 2016 -- Frankfooter insists there isn't a single person at NASA who knows how to change a web page: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?550100-The-End-is-Near&p=5461433&viewfull=1#post5461433

 

[Frankfooter]

I gave you the source,...not my problem you don't believe the NOBLE PRIZE ORGANISATION,...knew you would slither away.

FAST

I appreciate the fact that you managed two typos in naming the Nobel awards, up to your usual standards of excellence I see.

Last September 21, as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.

Seven years from now.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/gore-lecture_en.html

That's how you quote and include a source, its really not that hard. Well not for most people....

Anyways, that quote doesn't say what you claimed, Gore says two studies suggested those times for summer Arctic ice, which is an entirely different thing from saying that Gore himself predicted the end of Arctic ice. That may be too subtle a difference for you, I'm afraid.

Fail

 

[Frankfooter]

Actually, I feel I must add post #68 to Frankfooter's greatest hits.

And not a one of them with any substance, typical.

Meanwhile, moviefan is trying to show how moral he is by trying to weasel out on the bet for a second time.
First time in June.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5458647&viewfull=1#post5458647

And now he tries the exact same weasel moves, trying to pull denier math 'adjustments' on a bet he agreed to.

This is the bet you lost, weasel.

So in order to win the bet, all the temperature has to do is hit 0.83ºC anomaly for the year of 2015, correct?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.

Click on the link above.
It now reads 0.87ºC.

Moviefan lost the bet.
As loser he must buy these two books, read them and review them here:
http://www.amazon.ca/The-Hockey-Stick-Climate-Wars/dp/0231152558
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/05...=as2&tag=grlasbl0a-20&linkId=F7NQQFQ4THAO2JDE

 

[Moviefan-2]

For the record, crybaby Frankfooter lost the bet:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-bet-on-global-warming&p=5429544#post5429544

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/poll.php?pollid=5603&do=showresults

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5459294&viewfull=1#post5459294

 

[Frankfooter]

For the record, crybaby Frankfooter lost the bet:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-bet-on-global-warming&p=5429544#post5429544

Thanks for posting a link to the second time you tried those same weasel moves, the ones you tried in June before you finally agreed to continue the bet on its original terms.
I'll add that to your list of weasel moves.

Here's a post that explains, with links to the original posts, how you tried to weasel out of the bet the first time.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5458647&viewfull=1#post5458647

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/poll.php?pollid=5603&do=showresults

And how did your poll on who won the last Leafs game go?
Did you run a poll yet on whether 0.87 is higher then 0.83?

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5459294&viewfull=1#post5459294

Multiple attempts to pull the same weasel moves you did in June again now in January.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5459497&viewfull=1#post5459497

You said you would continue the bet on its original terms.
Keep your word, weasel.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Let's review the full record.

- Frankfooter (who was posting as Groggy at the time) had a temper tantrum in 2014 after he lost the first bet about whether I could name three climate researchers at publicly funded universities who don't support the IPCC.

- In May 2015, he welched on the second bet about the IPCC's 2007 predictions because he knew he was going to lose.

- Most recently, he welched on the bet we made about the 2015 temperature anomaly after he lost. Even worse, he has spent more than a month crying about it on countless threads.

Pathetic.

 

[Frankfooter]

Let's review the full record.

The record we are discussing here is how you lost the bet yet refuse to honour your word and pay up.
The bet you lost:

So in order to win the bet, all the temperature has to do is hit 0.83ºC anomaly for the year of 2015, correct?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.

Click on the link above.
It now reads 0.87ºC.

Moviefan lost the bet.
As loser he must buy these two books, read them and review them here:
http://www.amazon.ca/The-Hockey-Stick-Climate-Wars/dp/0231152558
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/05...=as2&tag=grlasbl0a-20&linkId=F7NQQFQ4THAO2JDE

 

[Moviefan-2]

For the record, crybaby Frankfooter lost the bet:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-bet-on-global-warming&p=5429544#post5429544

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/poll.php?pollid=5603&do=showresults

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5459294&viewfull=1#post5459294

 

[Frankfooter]

For the record, crybaby Frankfooter lost the bet:

As noted, trying to claim the bet needs 'adjusting' or 'pre-adjusting' means you are trying to weasel out of keeping your word.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5458647&viewfull=1#post5458647

Just man up and admit that 0.87ºC is higher then 0.83ºC.
You lost the bet.

So in order to win the bet, all the temperature has to do is hit 0.83ºC anomaly for the year of 2015, correct?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.

Click on the link above.
It now reads 0.87ºC.

Moviefan lost the bet.
As loser he must buy these two books, read them and review them here:
http://www.amazon.ca/The-Hockey-Stick-Climate-Wars/dp/0231152558
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/05...=as2&tag=grlasbl0a-20&linkId=F7NQQFQ4THAO2JDE

 

[Moviefan-2]

For the record, crybaby Frankfooter lost the bet:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-bet-on-global-warming&p=5429544#post5429544

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/poll.php?pollid=5603&do=showresults

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5459294&viewfull=1#post5459294