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How many of you have one installed? Never thought I'd actually consider one, but I am now.
They seem to be convenient to have, "just in case", even though we have no fault insurance.
But there was one time a guy tried to jump in front of my car, thankfully I was watching him and slowed down to a complete stop and asked him wtf he was thinking.......of course, no answer and he walked off.
 
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lol That's the model I was looking at Newfie, but now I'm considering a dual channel as well.
As on youtuber put it, you only get half the story with the front cam alone. But for a truck, I dont' see why you would need a rear camera really, compared to a car.
But that is a great model, good choice.
 
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How many of you have one installed? Never thought I'd actually consider one, but I am now.
They seem to be convenient to have, "just in case", even though we have no fault insurance.
But there was one time a guy tried to jump in front of my car, thankfully I was watching him and slowed down to a complete stop and asked him wtf he was thinking.......of course, no answer and he walked off.
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I got one a few weeks ago for my car, only 30 bucks at Canada Computers. It took a day to figure out, getting the right angle on the dash board.

Things happen on the road, too many distracted drivers out there, I am very happy with my dash cam.
 
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Been a few threads on this over the years, this is the most informative: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...dash-cams-would-be-appreciated&highlight=dash
The problem with dash cams are they are designed to have a long focus and therefore have poor depth of field. It's hard to determine if an object is 5 feet in front or 30 feet in front.

I'm of two opinions:

1) When used properly for the right reasons they are a great idea. Especially for high risk drivers like truckers and in cities known for driving scams (i.e. Philly, Chicago, LA).
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...m-a-hamilton-parking-lot-crash-scam-1.2704500

2. It's been my observation that many people who have these cameras appear to intentionally provoke problems. For example; driving slow in the left lane, veeeery slow lane changes or slow left/right turns, blocking/boxing-in other traffic and pacing trucks. Other drivers react to their actions usually by following too close or aggressively maneuvering around them. Why? I don't read minds, but perhaps so they can post it to YouTube or write letters of complaint to the police. <-- my friend is a cop and he says they have 4-5 people in his station's region who write in several times a month, every month complaining about other drivers and including pictures or video links from their cams. He is obliged to investigate and send letters to the drivers (although charges can't be laid).

This thread is a PERFECT case in point: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?476371-Redneck-Road-Rage-Instant-Karma&highlight=camera YouTube video requires sign-in.
In this video a woman had dashcams. A guy in a pick-up truck was trying to pass her. She would speed-up and slow-down and pace other vehicles to prevent him from passing. She claimed the speed limit changed so she was doing nothing wrong. He eventually passes her at high speed and too aggressively and went into the ditch. She posted the video to YouTube. On first view the pick-up driver looks to be an insane idiot, but upon re-viewings and listening to the audio the truth become more apparent.

As it turns out, the woman had performed this routine with many other drivers and would post it to YouTube under different names. There was also numerous other complaints against her for blocking traffic, preventing people passing her, driving too slow in the left lane etc. She was eventually charged by police. My point: it appears she bought the dash cams and intentionally caused problems on the road, all for the purpose of trying to create viral YouTube videos.

So Tesla, I question your motivations. You have admitted you watch other guys in public washrooms to see if they wash their hands and if they don't you will publically chastise them. You have even admitted to following them out of the washroom with the intention of continuing the chastising. <-- that's the MO of a psychotic. Is it your intention to a dashcam and provoke other drivers so that you can either complain to police or post YouTube videos?
 
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So Tesla, I question your motivations. You have admitted you watch other guys in public washrooms to see if they wash their hands and if they don't you will publically chastise them. You have even admitted to following them out of the washroom with the intention of continuing the chastising. <-- that's the MO of a psychotic. Is it your intention to a dashcam and provoke other drivers so that you can either complain to police or post YouTube videos?
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I can't answer for Tesla but if he's like me, we want one so that if we're involved in a collision, especially with a cyclist, we have video evidence to prove the "he said/she said". I could care less about posting videos on YouTube.

If you've ever been in a collision, you know the first thing the person at fault does is claim it was your fault. I'd love to be able to prove them wrong. It can also make the difference in you being charged especially if you don't have witnesses.

We don't actually have no fault insurance. What it means is that if you're involved in a collision, each driver's insurance pays to repair their respective vehicles. That does not mean there is no blame. If you rear-end a car stopped at a traffic light, you will deemed at fault by your insurance company. This is why some insurance companies will offer one "at fault" collision without raising your rates. I have this on my policy.

I haven't had an at fault collision in over 30 years of driving but with the number of distracted pedestrians and drivers I see these days. Now's the time to get a dash cam to keep my record clean.

I've been doing some research on the various models. With so many different brands and options to consider, it makes it difficult to decide on which one. Guess I have more homework to do!
 
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Poor promo, still not over the last encounter we had and clearly got quiet in the last thread about the bathroom debate. You did go mute after or AWOL.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?537619-Was-I-an-asshole/page3&highlight=Washing

Here's a thread from 2010 in which others observe the same thing.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?309285-Not-washing-your-hands-after-using-the-washroom

Like I said, it's bad when you need signs to remind people. I'm not ignorant, but I am very observant.



Which ironically you're not, as I explained as to why I'm thinking about a dash cam.
Bullet point for you.
-parrt of me wants one because of idiots jumping in front of the car which gained to me like I started earlier.

Not yet sold on the while idea, but it's a very serious consideration.
 
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http://lockdownsecuritycanada.ca/

A company in Markham that specializes in dash cameras and other automotive accessories. Had an IROAD V7 installed on my car. Benefit of that is I can view the footage over an app that can be downloaded from either Google play store or iTunes store. Can pull up live feed or past footage

Worked for me as someone backed into my car Christmas eve and drove off in the parking lot. Camera picked up everything and luckily I had it as he caused $2700 in damages
 
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And that's the one for a two channel set-up I'm looking at.
Any overheating issues ever? One review mentioned it, so it can't be all that bad.
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No, works fine for me. I had to replace the SD card once because it got compromised somehow and now with the new card it works fine. They even have an attachment to make it work when your car is off by attaching it to the battery directly so the power jack is freed up and records all the time. That's the only downside I guess since there is no battery, but there is a workaround. Never had the overheating issue.
 
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Poor promo, still not over the last encounter we had and clearly got quiet in the last thread about the bathroom debate. You did go mute after or AWOL.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?537619-Was-I-an-asshole/page3&highlight=Washing
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I didn't see any point in wasting more time on that thread. You love to go on-and-on, I couldn't care less.

Since you didn't clue in the first time when I said "I still don't believe you": I think you are a tin-hat type. I think you are a racist. I think you are a bull-sh*tter. I think you are a attention whore.

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Here's a thread from 2010 in which others observe the same thing.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?309285-Not-washing-your-hands-after-using-the-washroom
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LOL, had to go back 5 years?? . None of those posters followed other men out of a washroom in an effort to publicly shame them into washing their hands ...... because they are not idiots. Only you Tesla.

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Which ironically you're not, as I explained as to why I'm thinking about a dash cam.
Bullet point for you.
-parrt of me wants one because of idiots jumping in front of the car which gained to me like I started earlier.
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Again, I don't believe you.
Why would a pedestrian "jump in front of your car"? No pedestrian is going to come out of a car collision the victor. You said you were watching him, perhaps he thought he had eye contact with you and he felt you were acknowledging his actions. You provided few details on the event; Did it occur at a corner? Middle of the street? Were there other pedestrians crossing? How fast were you going? Did this occur in bumper-to-bumper traffic? Anyway, it doesn't matter as I don't trust what you will tell us.
 
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I can't answer for Tesla but if he's like me, we want one so that if we're involved in a collision, especially with a cyclist, we have video evidence to prove the "he said/she said". I could care less about posting videos on YouTube.

If you've ever been in a collision, you know the first thing the person at fault does is claim it was your fault. I'd love to be able to prove them wrong. It can also make the difference in you being charged especially if you don't have witnesses.
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I'm interested in hearing from the lawyer members. A dash cam will produce a video stored on a flash card. At the time of the accident, will the police officer take the card and view it and/or use it for evidence? Is it admissible in court? Will the insurance companies want to see it?

Since it can often take 20 ... 30 ... 40+ minutes for the police to show up, what stops the dash cam owner from inserting the flash card into a PC and deleting select seconds or otherwise modifying the file to better suit his needs? Security and integrity of evidence is key and I don't see how dash cam evidence can be trusted. Best it can accomplish is to support eyewitness claims.

My point; If the cam video can't be legally used for evidence, what's the point?


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I could care less about posting videos on YouTube.
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The woman in the video in my original post said the exact same thing. She lied and got caught. YouTube is FULL of video from dash cams ........
 
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I didn't see any point in wasting more time on that thread. You love to go on-and-on, I couldn't care less.
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Yet you made it a point to bring it up here. You left the thread because the points were valid, made sense and you really couldn't reply.
You couldn't care less huh? Then don't bring it up and you won't look silly for doing so.

Since you didn't clue in the first time when I said "I still don't believe you": I think you are a tin-hat type. I think you are a racist. I think you are a bull-sh*tter. I think you are a attention whore.
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That's nice. I don't care what you think of me, really, I don't. I'm even quoting it over for you to show how much your opinion

LOL, had to go back 5 years?? . None of those posters followed other men out of a washroom in an effort to publicly shame them into washing their hands ...... because they are not idiots. Only you Tesla.
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Actually, it was in a search for "washing" that I stumbled across it, time is irrelevant on the opinion of that subject.
I was finishing up myself and exiting the bathroom at the same time. Perhaps you like to hang around in the boys room for extended periods of time, that's your thing, you're entitled. But then maybe one day, we'll have signs saying "please don't loiter in the bathroom" right next to the signs reminding lazy ass ignorant people to "please wash your hands". More irony for you.


Again, I don't believe you.
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Why would a pedestrian "jump in front of your car"? No pedestrian is going to come out of a car collision the victor. You said you were watching him, perhaps he thought he had eye contact with you and he felt you were acknowledging his actions. You provided few details on the event; Did it occur at a corner? Middle of the street? Were there other pedestrians crossing? How fast were you going? Did this occur in bumper-to-bumper traffic? Anyway, it doesn't matter as I don't trust what you will tell us.[/QUOTE]

It happened. Why? Who knows. But I was OBSERVANT of my surroundings as I normally am and it was a very weird thing to happen.
Maybe he was high? Suicidal? Maybe he was looking for an insurance scam?

How it went down.
Driving westbound on South Service Road (near Mississauga Road) highway wall on my right side.
Guy walking eastbound on sidewalk on my left.
I was driving 65 in cruise control on the street.
I noticed the guy from a distance and as I got closer, I noticed he was leaving the sidewalk, walking onto a piece of grass, onto the shoulder/road area.
I started slowing down.
He started to pick up his pace from a walk to a very quick stride, then a burst.
I slowed down to almost a near stop and then hammered on my breaks as he literally jumped in front of my left bumper.
I was stopped, got out and asked "wtf are you doing?"
He walked off without saying a word.




I only wish I had the camera then to have a recording, to then post it and shut you up like you did in the previous thread.








Regardless, lesson learned, DON'T BRING IT UP again if you could "care less" as you claim. Clearly it's still under your skin. lol
 
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I'm interested in hearing from the lawyer members. A dash cam will produce a video stored on a flash card. At the time of the accident, will the police officer take the card and view it and/or use it for evidence? Is it admissible in court? Will the insurance companies want to see it?


Since it can often take 20 ... 30 ... 40+ minutes for the police to show up, what stops the dash cam owner from inserting the flash card into a PC and deleting select seconds or otherwise modifying the file to better suit his needs? Security and integrity of evidence is key and I don't see how dash cam evidence can be trusted. Best it can accomplish is to support eyewitness claims.

My point; If the cam video can't be legally used for evidence, what's the point?



The woman in the video in my original post said the exact same thing. She lied and got caught. YouTube is FULL of video from dash cams ........
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A quick search on the internetz and you can get an idea for yourself.
Now this is four years old, hopefully it's still valid in your opinion, since a five year old thread was such a big deal to you, if it is, don't cry.

But I'm sure some people remember this guy rolling his car back into the guy with the camera in the car and apparently asked for $500 right on the spot.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...h_driver_charged_with_fraud_and_mischief.html
 
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And that's the one for a two channel set-up I'm looking at.
Any overheating issues ever? One review mentioned it, so it can't be all that bad.
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Two channel ? Does that mean you are recording whats going on in the front seat as well....
 
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I got rear ended once, and I had a dash cam. Showed the car lurch forward. The other guy was honest, but another person could have claimed that I backed up into him. The more important issue is not the matter of getting a ticket by police, but to prevent your insurance co. raising your premiums as a result of an at-fault or partially at fault accident.

If both of you are partially at fault, then both your rates increase. But if you can prove that it was the other guy, then obviously you won't be blamed and declared partially at fault. If someone sideswipes out on the road, and you have no evidence that it was him who crossedover into your lane, then you are both at fault. So the dash cam can potentially save you a lot of money in the future.
 
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I'm still interested in hearing from a lawyer who has hand-on experience with automotive related law.

Lots of people have opinions, but not a lot of facts. I went ahead and called my two car insurance companies (personal and work) and I talked to two police officers. I would encourage others to do the same thing to see if they get the similar answers.

Both car insurance companies stated current policy is that they (their adjusters) would not look at the dash cam footage for the purposes of repairing the car, but WOULD look at it for the purpose of assigning driver fault between the insurance companies (unless one the the drivers was police charged which makes them at-fault). For repairs, they follow the fault-determination rules as negotiated between the insurance companies. Even if someone stopped in front of you, then backed their car into you and it was all caught on your cam - doesn't matter, your insurance company pays for your car and their insurance company pars for theirs - however the cam evidence could be used for assigning fault for determining who's rates go up. Further stated that; dash cams have for the most part been ignored in court and the whole technology has been untested from a legal standpoint.

Both officers said basically the same thing. When they investigate an automobile accident they focus on physical evidence, written statements and interviews with the drivers and eye-witnesses. Evidence is given a "reliability weighting". Police know that people lie, witnesses are unreliable and the physical evidence could have changed. They base their decisions on their training and experience and ultimately the judge has the final decision. In summary:
1) They would only look at the dash cam evidence if there was a compelling reason to. If all other evidence pointed reliably at a conclusion, that's what they would go with.
2) Dash cams are unproven/untested from a legal standpoint. It is hard to use from an evidence point of view because they are untrained, the quality isn't always good (i.e. rain, snow or at night), it's hard to judge speed and depth of view for distances.
3) Most dash cam evidence can't be examined at the scene and only if the accident is serious enough or there is evidence of fraud will they ask for the flash cards for expert examination.
4) If necessary, they would look at dash cam footage and use it to collaborate/support other more reliable evidence when investigating. They indicated they are aware that the dash cam could have been tampered with.
One cop stated there are scams in the US where the bad guys cause an accident, pretend to call the cops to buy a few minutes, modify the cam evidence on their PC and try to extort money from the victim. The modifications were apparently good enough to pass non-expert review.

So, IMHO dash cams evidence is not yet reliable or proven, but still could be a useful purchase. It could be used by the insurance companies to assign fault and thus prevent your rates from going up and could likely be used to shut down a scammer so for that reason people might find the expense justifiable. Me - no-one I know has ever had this issue, so I'll wait till the technology and legal issues mature.
 
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