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Frankfooter

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The ongoing climate change debate should end for a while.
The bet moviefan and I made, over whether 2015's global temperature anomaly would hit 0.83ºC has been ended, as NASA has reported that we are now at 0.84ºC with one month to go.
Moviefan has now officially lost the bet (though the whining will never end).


The pot for the bet was that the winner would choose 2 books (I think it was two, that thread is so old now....) that the loser would have to buy, read and review.

I'd like some help here, if anyone is interested.
Right now I'm thinking:

a) "Merchants of Doubt," by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway
b)"Six Degrees," by Mark Lynas
c) "Climate Wars," by Gwynne Dyer
d) This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate
e) "The Sixth Extinction," by Elizabeth Kolbert (not climate change, but he should read it)
f) Greenhouse Gangsters vs. Climate Justice by CorpWatch

Though for real punishment maybe he should have to read:
James Hansen - Storms of My grandchildren: Truth about coming climate catastrophe and our last chance to save humanity.
or maybe something by Michael Mann like:
Dire Predictions, 2nd Edition: Understanding Climate Change
The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines

Any other books I should force him to read and review?
Should I give him something long and technical as real punishment?

What do you all think?


The bet ended here:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5428590&viewfull=1#post5428590
And started here:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ing-Point%92&p=5243530&viewfull=1#post5243530
 
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**Sophie**

Force him to read the bible lol that's real torture. That's what the nuns made us do to punish us back in the day
 
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**Sophie** said:
Force him to read the bible lol that's real torture. That's what the nuns made us do to punish us back in the day
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Ooh, that's a good one.
It was going to be some climate change thing, but that's really quite good.

Or maybe it should be something like Mason Dixon, by Thomas Pynchon, gotta be the most unreadable book ever.
Or the Koran for extra punishment.

Though there's also this one, a textbook on Climatology that's 400 pages long and costs about $200.
http://www.pearsoned.co.uk/bookshop/detail.asp?item=100000000289335

So much choice for punishment.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Or maybe it should be something like Mason Dixon, by Thomas Pynchon, gotta be the most unreadable book ever.
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Actually, it's Mason & Dixon. And I've read it twice.

As for the other options, I would be careful what you wish for. In case you haven't figured it out yet, you didn't actually win the bet: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-bet-on-global-warming&p=5429544#post5429544

The books that you'll be reviewing will be selected by me. And I am more than qualified to determine whether or not you actually understood Mason & Dixon (I'll give you a head start: the "hemp" line at the beginning is a spoof on Bill Clinton's "inhale" quote).
 
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Moviefan-2 said:
Actually, it's Mason & Dixon. And I've read it twice.
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Ok, strike that one off the list.
I quite liked Gravity's Rainbow and Lot 49, but never had the patience to make it through Mason & Dixon.

So far I'm thinking either one the Michael Mann or James Hanson books as well as the biggest climatology textbook I can find.
Thanks for helping.



This was the bet:
Moviefan-2 said:
If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
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And what do those numbers now read?

0.84ºC
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
You lost the bet.
Time to pay up.
Stop whining.
 
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Frankfooter said:
So far I'm thinking either one the Michael Mann or James Hanson books as well as the biggest climatology textbook I can find.
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Actually, according to the terms of the bet, the books that you'll be reading will be selected by me.

But not to worry. I'll ensure you get to read about your beloved Dr. Mann. :thumb:
 
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Frankfooter said:
I quite liked Gravity's Rainbow and Lot 49, but never had the patience to make it through Mason & Dixon.
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I'm sorry, but Frankfooter claims he doesn't understand the difference between a horizontal line and a horizontal trend line.

Is there anyone who really believes he has read Gravity's Rainbow or The Crying of Lot 49? :p
 
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Moviefan-2 said:
I'm sorry, but Frankfooter claims he doesn't understand the difference between a horizontal line and a horizontal trend line.

Is there anyone who really believes he has read Gravity's Rainbow or The Crying of Lot 49? :p
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I'll pick the final books on Monday or Tuesday, that way I'll let you see if you can get them on boxing day sales.
Just because I'm really nice.

Remember.
You lost the bet.



This was the bet:
Moviefan-2 said:
If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
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And what do those numbers now read?

0.84ºC
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
You lost the bet.
Time to pay up.
Stop whining.
 
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Frankfooter said:
I'll pick the final books on Monday or Tuesday, that way I'll let you see if you can get them on boxing day sales.
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Yeah, you've supposedly read Thomas Pynchon, but you can't even understand how bets work.

Let me explain this to you again.

According to the terms of the bet, it is the winner -- not the loser -- who selects the books that will be reviewed.

That means I pick the books that you'll be reviewing. Surely, the explanation of how wagers work isn't too challenging for a guy who's read Gravity's Rainbow. :thumb:
 
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The real temperature anomaly for November 2015 is

http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

Many are calling 2015 the highest El Nino ever. That combined with the positive Arctic Oscillation is what is driving the milder surface temperatures across eastern North America and Europe. It's important to note that the western North America, China and Siberia are experiencing much colder (and wetter) temperatures than usual.
 
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Moviefan-2 said:
Not to worry. Even using NASA's farcical numbers, I still won the bet.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-bet-on-global-warming&p=5429544#post5429544

More significantly, I have clearly demonstrated -- even in this super El Nino year -- that the IPCC's predictions remain spectacularly wrong.

The fact that Frankfooter feels compelled to cheat confirms it.
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Farcical is not the term that comes to mind, more like fraudulent. Not based on empirical data, adjusted by a computer model. A model flawed to the core. Anyone who thinks that they can model the climate - a chaotic non linear phenomenon, is either a liar or completely oblivious to fact and rational behaviour.
 
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Moviefan-2 said:
Anyone who has actually read Thomas Pynchon would know that these sentences about revisions to "old data" are total bullshit:
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Only a total idiot would claim that we can only use pre-2015 numbers to judge the outcome of 2015.
We bet on the 2015's global anomaly as published by NASA.


This was the bet:
Moviefan-2 said:
If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
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And what do those numbers now read?

0.84ºC
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
You lost the bet.
Time to pay up.
Stop whining.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Only a total idiot would claim that we can only use pre-2015 numbers to judge the outcome of 2015.
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I genuinely laughed out loud when I read this.

In fact, the 0.766ºC average for 2015 came from the anomaly figures from January 2015 to May 2015. I don't think those months are "pre-2015". Somebody doesn't know how to read a calendar (probably the same guy who thinks the "pre-industrial age" was 25 years ago).

As to the question of who was the "total idiot" that said "the bet stands" and we had to stick with the data on the pre-adjusted graph?

Actually, it was this "total idiot":

Frankfooter said:
The bet stands, you have no excuse for trying to weasel out of it.
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https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5301216#post5301216

He can't read a graph. He can't even read a calendar. But he's apparently read Gravity's Rainbow. :biggrin1:
 
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Moviefan-2 said:
I genuinely laughed out loud when I read this.

In fact, the 0.766ºC average for 2015 came from the anomaly figures from January 2015 to May 2015. I don't think those months are "pre-2015".
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Great, so you agree that any numbers or data regarding pre-2015 are totally irrelevant to our bet, which was on 2015's global anomaly.
Time to pay up, loser.
Stop whining.

Right now I'm thinking its going to be Michael Mann's book on the hockey stick graph and the biggest climatology textbook I can find.


This was the bet:
Moviefan-2 said:
If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
Click to expand...
And what do those numbers now read?

0.84ºC
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
You lost the bet.
Time to pay up.
Stop whining.
 
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