Trudeau's Weed Promise
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we're going to get sexually frustrated and will have no weed to mellow the pain. And every body knows that untreated lack of fun leads to self detonation. What I'm trying to express, so inartfully, is that we all need more pussy and weed. That should've been the first step in rebuilding Iraq.
As a person who has never "inhaled", I really don't care if it's legalized or not, although the War on Drugs has been a complete failure and waste of time, resources, and money. What I do want to see is C36 repealed and the Hobby legalized or at least de-criminalized.
Everyone who wants to smoke pot, already is! There's no shortage. It's a multi-billion dollar underground economy. Making it legal will be much better. And I think if the price of pot or booze is seriously detrimental to your lifestyle you're probably doing too much.
As for crying about legalities, remember the forum you're posting on!
Of course Liberals are involved in creating a huge new industry which will benefit many people; Conservative ideology brays that marijuana is "infinitely worse than tobacco" so they are going to miss out on the windfall profits to be made, even though legalization has been inevitable for a long time.
LMAO I have no problem with it, I actually like the Portuguese model of drug policy.
Frankly, I'd pay a premium to get weed that goes through quality control and not have to deal with sketchy dealers anymore.This will be interesting. If the Province thinks it's going to make billions by legalizing, controlling the sale and taxing weed the way they do alcohol, they may be in for a surprise. As it stands, just about anyone who wants to smoke weed has no problem getting their hands on it, as opposed to alcohol where there's no underground market per se.
So unless the Province plans to undercut current suppliers, there will be no incentive for users to buy from a retail outlet. The only reason the LCBO can get away with charging exorbitant prices is because they have no competition.
I'm also not convinced that if it becomes legal, people who've never had a desire to smoke will suddenly take it up.
Just order it online
The Darknet is self regulating and offers really good service
Even TED is talking about them these days
Anyone with money can make more money from the coming cannabis capitalism.
I don't understand why it's only bad because Liberals. Harper and his friends made millions from the tarsands and oil industry over the past decade.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bruce-carson-not-guilty-influence-peddling-1.3322811
Bruce Carson, former Harper aide, not guilty of influence-peddling
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...ng-will-build-up-to-15-combat-ships-1.3057927
Ottawa says Irving Shipbuilding will build up to 15 combat ships; Harper gov't says the $26.2-billion budget is an estimate.
Same with me. Being able to go into a 'pot boutique' or whatever it's going to be, every few weeks and select from all the various strains will be great. I'm sure I spend more on coffee these days than on weed.
And considering that we are posting on a site where people boast about blowing $250 and up for 1 hour of slap-and-tickle with a stranger whose real name they don't know and will never see again, it's pretty weird to see complaints about the government putting a sin tax on regulated, commercial pot.
The problem with imposing any sin tax (except the nominal HST), is that another instant underground criminal system will result to circumvent usurious taxes. As is the case with tobacco.
Enforcing the collection of high sin taxes on a product that is even easier to produce than it is to acquire tobacco or alcohol is going to cost a lot of money in law enforcement and will fuel the very criminal enterprises that decriminalization seeks to make obsolete.
"Weed" is just that, a weed. It is about the easiest thing to grow. Easier than tomatoes.
I don't smoke the stuff so have no personal interest in its availability. But I do care about society and the massive direct and indirect costs the criminalization of this mild sedative intoxicant has on my society. Making the government a drug dealer is not the way to go.
Completely decriminalize the substance and apply the same rules that apply to other similar products for its sale.
1. Require any seller to collect and remit HST on the sales of weed.
2. Require any commercial storefront operation to test and label each lot of consumer products with the Canninoid /THC content and whatever other parameters make sense (as is done on food labels and alcohol). It s a commercially available service http://analytical360.com/cannabis-analysis-laboratory/potency-testing
3. Make it an criminal offence to supply any person under the age of 19 with cannibis.
Unfortunately, the reality of this absolute protection will be difficult to enforce and will likely just creat a new class of criminals to supply teenagers. But it will be much less likely come from the same level of organized crime that now exists to wholesale supply the market and street level dealers.
4. Spend actual money with good people to come up with relevant and interesting content to educate teenagers on cannibis. Not the ineffective "JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS" condescending approach but rather an ongoing process in which the relevant medium and message resonates with different types of teenagers. Not that it will eliminate the problem, but at least let them know. For example, a young friend of mine was smoking a lot of weed and thought it was relatively "harmless". I mentioned that weed has a know effect on permanently altering the development of certain parts of the under 21 year old brain. She went and did her own "research". As she has academic aspirations in medicine, she realized that she really couldn't take that risk. So she quit.
But just changing the criminal organization who makes money off it from the smugglers, grow ops, street gangs to the Federal and Proviincial (and Municipal who also want their cut) mafia's is not going to work. High taxes will just create another contraband industry.
Enforcing the collection of high sin taxes on a product that is even easier to produce than it is to acquire tobacco or alcohol is going to cost a lot of money in law enforcement and will fuel the very criminal enterprises that decriminalization seeks to make obsolete.
"Weed" is just that, a weed. It is about the easiest thing to grow. Easier than tomatoes.
I don't smoke the stuff so have no personal interest in its availability. But I do care about society and the massive direct and indirect costs the criminalization of this mild sedative intoxicant has on my society. Making the government a drug dealer is not the way to go.
Completely decriminalize the substance and apply the same rules that apply to other similar products for its sale.
1. Require any seller to collect and remit HST on the sales of weed.
2. Require any commercial storefront operation to test and label each lot of consumer products with the Canninoid /THC content and whatever other parameters make sense (as is done on food labels and alcohol). It s a commercially available service http://analytical360.com/cannabis-analysis-laboratory/potency-testing
3. Make it an criminal offence to supply any person under the age of 19 with cannibis.
Unfortunately, the reality of this absolute protection will be difficult to enforce and will likely just creat a new class of criminals to supply teenagers. But it will be much less likely come from the same level of organized crime that now exists to wholesale supply the market and street level dealers.
4. Spend actual money with good people to come up with relevant and interesting content to educate teenagers on cannibis. Not the ineffective "JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS" condescending approach but rather an ongoing process in which the relevant medium and message resonates with different types of teenagers. Not that it will eliminate the problem, but at least let them know. For example, a young friend of mine was smoking a lot of weed and thought it was relatively "harmless". I mentioned that weed has a know effect on permanently altering the development of certain parts of the under 21 year old brain. She went and did her own "research". As she has academic aspirations in medicine, she realized that she really couldn't take that risk. So she quit.
But just changing the criminal organization who makes money off it from the smugglers, grow ops, street gangs to the Federal and Proviincial (and Municipal who also want their cut) mafia's is not going to work. High taxes will just create another contraband industry.
I agree that anyone who wants to smoke pot already is. Making it legal will only work as long as the government doesn't tax the hell out of or people will just continue to buy from their current supplier.
Neither pot or booze is detrimental to my lifestyle. I have a puff or two (a vaporizer is the way to go) a couple times a week. My "dealer" is a friend who grows a new batch each year, outdoors on his property in the Kawarthas. I also like to have a glass of wine with dinner. The problem I have is the exact same bottle of wine or spirits in the US costs 2 to 3 times as much at the LCBO. Tax being the only difference.
Other than taking a trip to the US to buy alcohol, you don't have much of a choice. But if the government thinks people will spend twice as much as they're paying now for weed at the CCBO, they're dreaming. There's already a perfectly good, affordable supply chain.
All drugs including cocaine, heroin and crystal meth will be legal in drug-scarred Mexico within 10 years, former Mexican President Vicente Fox believes, after a court ruling that he said makes the legalization of marijuana inevitable.
"I think marijuana (legalization) is a first step," Fox said in a telephone interview on Tuesday. "It's now irreversible."
Fox was president between 2000 and 2006 and became an advocate of legalizing drugs after leaving office.
Earlier this month, the Supreme Court approved growing marijuana for recreational use. The landmark decision blasts open the door for an eventual legalization in Mexico, where warring gangs have waged a decade of drug violence.
Now that the court has ruled that it is unconstitutional to prevent people from smoking marijuana, Fox said it would eventually have to make a similar decision for drugs like cocaine and heroin.
"The other drugs will take a longer cycle, say five to 10 years," he said.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/mexican-ex-president-sees-cocaine-heroin-legal-decade-194137743.html
"I think marijuana (legalization) is a first step," Fox said in a telephone interview on Tuesday. "It's now irreversible."
Fox was president between 2000 and 2006 and became an advocate of legalizing drugs after leaving office.
Earlier this month, the Supreme Court approved growing marijuana for recreational use. The landmark decision blasts open the door for an eventual legalization in Mexico, where warring gangs have waged a decade of drug violence.
Now that the court has ruled that it is unconstitutional to prevent people from smoking marijuana, Fox said it would eventually have to make a similar decision for drugs like cocaine and heroin.
"The other drugs will take a longer cycle, say five to 10 years," he said.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/mexican-ex-president-sees-cocaine-heroin-legal-decade-194137743.html
You're missing the point. People don't just buy wine or beer.
Sure you could continue buying the unknown ditch weed your friend grows outside, if you want. OTOH you could go to a dispensary, pay a little more, and have a wide selection. That's what I'm looking forward to.
Sure there are people who buy the cheapest wine, beer, or hard liquor available. And there is certainly a market for cheap handjobs from Asian massage parlours. But Starbucks didn't become huge by trying to undercut the competition. Nor do any of the fine microbreweries.
In our hyper-commercialized world, a lot of people are willing to pay a premium price to choose from what they perceive to be a premium product in an upscale environment. And for convenience.
A store will have continual product, with regular hours. You won't have to leave a string of cryptic phone messages for your friend because you were looking to buy but didn't know he was out of town, out of product, or out being busy and not returning customers' calls. You're in the mood, you can stop off on your way home from work to pick up $20 worth of White Widow or Nothern Light or Bubba Kush. And a gift box of THC-infused chocolate cherry truffles for that special someone.
No, you're missing the point. According to my 420 friends who smoke way more than I do, they have no problem buying quality bud any day of the week. They also buy the some of the 3 or 4 varieties my friend grows, which they say is as good as anything else but sells for 30% less. My friend has very little overhead.
You can bet that if the government is going to regulate and sell weed like they do alcohol, it's going to be expensive. But unlike alcohol, there is currently many sources of high quality weed available to anyone who wants it.
Which isn't actually cheap because the LCBO controls the price off all alcohol, including what's produced by microbreweries. They have no competition. If they control and sell weed at inflated prices (tax) people will buy from alternate sources. Now if they let anyone open a shop and sell weed that's different. But do you think they'd actually do that? Not a chance.
And there would certainly continue to be a market for them, especially if the Province went into competition and charged 2 to 3 times as much.
Coffee is not sold and regulated by the government. The government controls the price off all alcohol as they would want to with weed.
You don't have to hang out on the corner of Dundas and Sherbourne to buy weed these days. Quality product is readily available without much trouble. You do know anyone can already order a wide variety of products online, right?
http://momcanada.ca/
http://bcbud.ca/
http://www.budbuddy.biz/
http://buyweedonline.ca/
https://buymyweedonline.ca/
So all I'm saying is if the government want to control the sale (and price) of weed. They'd better be competitive. They can get way with charging 3.25 times the amount for the same bottle of vodka as is available in the US because they have no competition, there is no alternative. It would be an entirely different story if they tried that with weed.
Did you check the sites you posted? A couple of examples. From your first link for M.O.M. :
And from the 3rd link, for Bud Buddy:
Much like us johns aka hobbyists, dispensaries don't want to be seen as criminals. They'd rather be legal, legit, and deal with taxes.
The experience of the American states which have legalized marijuana should give the Trudeau government ample research information. The introduction of another sin tax product will likely be a huge white elephant . I wonder how badly the legalization of marijuana in the American West coast states has affected the billion dollar BC illegal weed business?
A large problem in the US is that states are legalizing, while cannabis selling and buying remains federally illegal. Canada will have a reverse situation, where it will be legalized federally but municipalities will regulate how and where retail operations exist.
Toronto council recently banned hookah lounges; I don't know how they could do that then turn around and for example, allow cannabis cafes to open.
Also in states, the laws and tax rates are still being adjusted and fine-tuned because medical and recreational are treated differently. Seems like ridiculous and unnecessary bureaucratic red tape. But one thing is certain though:
Toronto council recently banned hookah lounges; I don't know how they could do that then turn around and for example, allow cannabis cafes to open.
Also in states, the laws and tax rates are still being adjusted and fine-tuned because medical and recreational are treated differently. Seems like ridiculous and unnecessary bureaucratic red tape. But one thing is certain though:
So I'm not sure why you think it will be a huge white elephant, seems more like a gold-plated one. Lots of tax revenue, plenty of money to be made, new business opportunities, increased tourism too.
