Calais residents terrified over 3rd night of clashes between police & migrats

[whitewaterguy]

Can we have a Storm Front section on TERB so every bigot can just post whatever they want, congrats you scum bags you won the citizenship and geography lottery in life and were born in one of the greatest nations on earth because one of your ancestors managed to scrape together enough shillings, francs or guilders to get on a rat infested ship to get here. That lottery did not give you the right to decide who lives and dies in Idlib, Baghdad or Kabul.

:thumb:l...and have the audacity to call themselves Christians, in many cases

 

[Butler1000]

:thumb:l...and have the audacity to call themselves Christians, in many cases

The various churches have always been very involved with settling new immigrants and refugees. Can the same be said about the Mosques?

 

[jazzbox]

Yep - the hypocrisy is jaw dropping...

Can we have a Storm Front section on TERB so every bigot can just post whatever they want, congrats you scum bags you won the citizenship and geography lottery in life and were born in one of the greatest nations on earth because one of your ancestors managed to scrape together enough shillings, francs or guilders to get on a rat infested ship to get here. That lottery did not give you the right to decide who lives and dies in Idlib, Baghdad or Kabul.

 

[whitewaterguy]

The various churches have always been very involved with settling new immigrants and refugees. Can the same be said about the Mosques?

http://iqra.ca/2015/canadian-muslims-rally-to-sponsor-syrian-families/

 

[SkyRider]

The following article was written by a Sunni Muslim. I dare not quote any articles written by a non-Muslim because some members on the board will immediately and loudly scream Stormfront.

http://www.mackenzieinstitute.com/rise-islamic-extremism-canada/

 

[Samurai Joey]

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I think the biggest source of frustration on this issue is that the Arab states - Syria's neighbors have refused to accept even one refugee. Why should the west pick up the entirety of the humanitarian effort when the countries next door don't get scrutinized or pressure to take in the refugees? They are right next door. Instead of travelling thousands of miles, they could have just crossed the eastern border and been safe. How come there is no pressure on those countries to help? What I find most confusing is why did all the men of military age not stay and fight for their country? There are thousands that could have turned the tide against ISIL if they had stayed

First of all, you are not correct that Syria's neighbours have not accepted even one refugee. According to estimates as of April 2015, there are over 2.1 million Syrian refugees in Turkey, more than any other country, and about 1.2 million refugees in Lebanon (both neighbours of Turkey), as well as an additional 600000 Syrian refugees in Jordan. Kuwait currently has 120000 Syrian nationals (although I don't know how many of these are refugees, or those who had settled in the country under work permits prior to the Syrian conflict). Saudia Arabia currently has 100000 Syrian nationals (both migrant and guest workers) in the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

 

[The Fruity Hare]

Just a guess but could it be because they are facing death as an alternative ? They are refugees meaning they do not have the luxury of waiting in line.

You are in a hospital waiting for your free medical service when the doors crash open and an accident victim is rushed into surgery for a life saving operation ... do you stand up and demand first come, first served ? Do you request that the patient fill out the OHIP forms as you had to do ?

You are in a boat when a cruise ship goes down and the sea is filled with people struggling for their lives. Maybe you can't save everyone but you wouldn't at least try to save what you can from drowning ?

Right or wrong - that is how I see it.

BTW: They are not opening the subways and letting these refugees wander the streets of Toronto. They are taking them to military bases which can house ~ 12,000 for processing. They did the same at the end of the Vietnam war and many of those processed are also proud immigrant Canadians

I could be wrong but I have heard that the riots are in part because the authorities are cracking down on the immigrants who are trying to smuggle themselves into or otherwise illegally enter the U.K. They are already in a safe country (France) and many of them had to pass through other safe countries to reach the U.K., Germany, or Sweden. So at this point, it is not a case of them facing death if they cannot reach the country of their choice, but not being content in the country where they now find themselves. Some have been quoted as saying they prefer Germany because they give higher benefits to the migrants, and Sweden to other Scandinavian countries for the same reason.

There have been videos with some of them with East Indian or Pakistani accents complaining about the lack of Wifi or the clothing they are given in migrant camps. Not what you would expect if they were escaping from somewhere fearing for their lives.

There are obviously untold Syrians and others fleeing certain death in war zones, but from numerous clips it appears that there are many who are using the situation to circumvent immigration procedures that millions of others have followed for generations, and they appear to be economic migrants. These are the ones that raise the ire of many, and in doing so cause the real needy to be looked at with suspicion.

 

[Samurai Joey]

A few bits of history....

The Vietnamese did not come over in under two months. In fact it was a much longer process. Most of them were on islands and had been for awhile. And yes it wad a wonderful massive effort that worked. But mostly because it was the Canadian People and not the Canadian Gov't that facilitated this. It was grassroots. And that's what made it work.

So then in light of this wonderful act the gov't chose to except more refugees and created rules. Very open rules.

Then starting in the mid Eighties enterprising immigration lawyers from Canada started advertising via the same in other countries how to use the refugee rules to bypass the immigration system. Just flush your passport on the plane and claim. And then it's a minimum of five years housing health care etc where you can fight to stay. And most won.

So as a matter of Public outcry by the Canadian People(yup, those same people) the rules were tightened in 1995 by Chretien. To get refugee status first you had to apply via the UN. A year vetting process. And approval. We take in about 14,000 a year since. About half private and half gov't sponsored. And this hasn't changed in 20 years under any Gov't.

There has been talk of getting them here to military bases and then vetting them. And as soon as it was mentioned the immigration advocates balked. Stating that if they arrive here they can't be sent back. That's the mindset of some. But I do have an issue with this. Not with the numbers. If we can find ways to give legit support to families and orphans take em in.

But we as a nation also have a responsibility to ensure that they can be successful. And that they want to be successful. And that they want to be Canadian. Demanding we take them all without vetting and sort it out later(which to them means not at all) is the first step. Then demands for them to stop being warehouses on the bases.

And then we have the housing issue. A ten year waiting period and a billion repair backlog.

We need to care for them properly. If we make a promise to take them we are responsible for them.

And that's why myself and other are thinking too much, too quick, with no forethought.

Not because of racism, or redneckism. But pragmatism.

First of all, the Liberal government has committed to taking 24000 Syrian refugees in, which is certainly not all of the refugees. However, I do agree that the nation need to have a carefully thought out plan to ensure that these refugees can successfully integrate into Canadian society, and this would require serious, carefully thought out efforts on the part of both the federal and provincial governments, in conjuction with efforts from NGOs and charities, as well as efforts of private citizens, including members of the pre-existing Syrian Canadian community.

What I take issue with is that so much of the rhetoric in online forums (including here on TERB) is characterized by hostility & hatred directed against these refugees. It's that overall sentiment that I am speaking out against.

 

[Samurai Joey]

The following article was written by a Sunni Muslim. I dare not quote any articles written by a non-Muslim because some members on the board will immediately and loudly scream Stormfront.

http://www.mackenzieinstitute.com/rise-islamic-extremism-canada/

I do not dispute that there is a problem with Islamic extremism (expressed in support for jihadist groups) throughout the world, including among the Muslim communities within Canada, and that this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed (and is being addressed) by our society at large and from within the Canadian Muslim communities themselves. But it is important to keep this in perspective -- the vast majority of Canadian Muslims are not extremists, and there is no reason to suspect that those who are extremists are disproportionately come from refugee backgrounds. Nor is there any evidence Syrian immigrants or Syrian Canadians are especially more vulnerable to falling under the influence of extremism (in fact, Syrians along with the Lebanese,have historically been among the most secular people within the Middle East).

 

[Eddie401]

The irony is absolutely amazing. A landed immigrant that has been given all the benefits of this country with open arms is now standing beside paranoid rednecks to withdraw the same Canadian hospitality to people who are fleeing for their lives. Keep in mind also the same rednecks most likely felt the same about you when you first landed.

Actually let me throw another perspective at you courtesy of my friends in the Arab community.

A lot of folks from the middle east came here years ago to escape the shit that was going on there. What scares them is the fact that is that they see some of the horseshit they were fleeing in the first place starting to crop up here now. And they fear that in our rush to accept refugees we are going to allow in a lot of folks that shouldn't be bringing their ways to this country.

I'm a middle class white guy and admittedly have no clue but it seems to me that if so many of my Arab friends, who are FAR more qualified to speak about these things than I am, have an issue with this that maybe we should be paying attention.

 

[SkyRider]

A lot of folks from the middle east came here years ago to escape the shit that was going on there. What scares them is the fact that is that they see some of the horseshit they were fleeing in the first place starting to crop up here now. And they fear that in our rush to accept refugees we are going to allow in a lot of folks that shouldn't be bringing their ways to this country.

so many of my Arab friends, who are FAR more qualified to speak about these things than I am, have an issue with this that maybe we should be paying attention.

Prime Minister Trudeau would call this fear mongering and is divisive.

 

[Butler1000]

First of all, the Liberal government has committed to taking 24000 Syrian refugees in, which is certainly not all of the refugees. However, I do agree that the nation need to have a carefully thought out plan to ensure that these refugees can successfully integrate into Canadian society, and this would require serious, carefully thought out efforts on the part of both the federal and provincial governments, in conjuction with efforts from NGOs and charities, as well as efforts of private citizens, including members of the pre-existing Syrian Canadian community.

What I take issue with is that so much of the rhetoric in online forums (including here on TERB) is characterized by hostility & hatred directed against these refugees. It's that overall sentiment that I am speaking out against.

And a 2 month time window isn't enough time really is it?

 

[IM469]

Just a guess but could it be because they are facing death as an alternative ?

I could be wrong but I have heard that the riots are in part because the authorities are cracking down on the immigrants who are trying to smuggle themselves into or otherwise illegally enter the U.K.

My statement was responding to a statement that applied to all refugees in the region and why they are not sticking around their war zone homes following normal application procedures. Picking rioters out of hundreds of thousands of refugees and using them as the excuse to dismiss assisting any refugees may be convenient if you don't want to help any but not realistic.

The whitewashing of refugees as terrorists and undesirables is not accurate and I thought addressed quite well by John Oliver:

 

[Smallcock]

Don't let any of them into Canada or the United States.

It's a sad situation, but that doesn't mean we should endanger or disrupt our own country because of it.

Looks like the pop demographics of their country is about 98% college aged males 2% female? Am I close?

 

[Smallcock]

We in Canada have a history of welcoming refugees from around the world.

It's time to stop welcoming them.

The Canada of years past isn't the Canada of today. Ditto for the world at large.

Times change, and policies need to evolve with it.

 

[Smallcock]

However, I do agree that the nation need to have a carefully thought out plan to ensure that these refugees can successfully integrate into Canadian society, and this would require serious, carefully thought out efforts on the part of both the federal and provincial governments, in conjuction with efforts from NGOs and charities, as well as efforts of private citizens, including members of the pre-existing Syrian Canadian community.

A lot of effort, time, and money. What for?

None of these things NEED to happen. Don't let them in.

 

[Butler1000]

My statement was responding to a statement that applied to all refugees in the region and why they are not sticking around their war zone homes following normal application procedures. Picking rioters out of hundreds of thousands of refugees and using them as the excuse to dismiss assisting any refugees may be convenient if you don't want to help any but not realistic.

The whitewashing of refugees as terrorists and undesirables is not accurate and I thought addressed quite well by John Oliver:

Of course not. But that takes nothing away from wanting to do proper vetting to ensure their bonifides. And to make sure on our end that we have the proper facilities and environment created to handle their integration.

And a two month window isn't enough to do that.

Another point is this. While I'm unsure of the numbers I believe previous to this the number of 10 million was used by the UN for the number of refugees already in camps awaiting a place.

So why should they get to jump the line? And they better refugees than some who have been also thrown from their homeland due to war and famine? And sitting for years?

 

[onthebottom]

Every last one of them should be put on a boat and sent back to where they came from.

If you want to immigrate to the west, follow the procedures.

But I'm like a broken record on this issue already.

Donald Trump, is that you.....

 

[|2 /-\ | /|/]

While it is easy to gravitate towards a hidden agendas and make claims that we are against Muslims, view all Syrian refugees as terrorists or hate them is absurd.

They have already made many arrest of ISIS members hiding as refugees, many trying to smuggle and sell fake passports, reports of violence, abuse, and the stories just go on and on and on. These are not the same type of refugee that we have been dealing with from the past. Even the FBI claims that there is no real sure way to screen of potential terrorist, however we know they are there just alone from the arrests.

These are the facts. There is no agenda. I have many family members who are Muslims, I work with many Muslims, go to lunches and sometimes I see some of my Muslim friends and catch up from highschool days.

This is not about racism, or an agenda against the Syrians or the Muslims. This is about protecting against the infiltration of terrorist using the innocent and using this situation to throw sand and infiltrate into the western societies. How many are slipping through the cracks? What is our risk threshold? Can we maybe take a few that do get away, and say fuck it we will somehow catch them?

Below is only a few examples and there are many many more of links to demonstrate that it is a problem. Turning a blind eye to this problem is not very patriotic and in my opinion irresponsible and unethical.

fbi-no-way-to-screen-refugees-coming-to-u-s
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/10/fbi-no-way-to-screen-refugees-coming-to-u-s/

Isis-terrorist-arrested-in-stuttgart-refugee-center-boxes-of-fake-syrian-passports-intercepted
http://newobserveronline.com/isis-t...r-boxes-of-fake-syrian-passports-intercepted/

islamic-state-terrorists-caught-crossing-into-europe-posing-as-refugees
**http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...ught-crossing-into-europe-posing-as-refugees/

isis-terrorists-exploiting-migrant-crisis
**http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-terrorists-exploiting-migrant-crisis-6694992

italy-arrests-isis-terrorist-disguised-as-refugee
**http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/09/italy-arrests-isis-terrorist-disguised-as-refugee/

13-percent-syrian-refugees-support-isis-poll
**http://m.clarionproject.org/analysis/13-percent-syrian-refugees-support-isis-poll

 

[Smallcock]

Humanitarian efforts have gone overboard. We are privileged people. We won the lottery by being born here and it would be nice to extend that priviledge to people seeking refuge, but from a pragmatic and safety standpoint, it should not be done under these circumstances. Tens of thousands of people? It shouldn't even be contemplated.

It is also contradictory and hypocritical the way we disburse humanitarianism. If we want to play the good guy and save suffering people in danger, we'd have to open up our borders to tens of millions of people across the world. We shouldn't do that any more than doing so for tens of thousands.

Would you expect another nation to open its arms to tens of thousands of Canadians if Canada were under siege?