scientists are worried about a surprisingly cold ‘blob’ in the North Atlantic Ocean

[FAST]

Can you read?

The article says there is a slowdown in the AMOC (weak state) at present, that may, just may, be changed by el Nino.

But if the slowdown is caused by glacial melt its not going to get much better now that 2015 and quit possibly 2016 will be record warm years.
The slowdown to AMOC has only been noted in the last 5 years (or after your 2009 chart).
That's faster then was predicted.

Its too small a sample size to be absolutely certain, but if it is a slowdown in the AMOC (which is quite likely) then its going to have a big influence on climate in the very near future.

Can you read,...or have you lost your memory,...

We should not forget AMOC is highly variable and also seems to follow a multi-year cycle with some limited predictability.

that may, just may,... quit possibly,... if,... which is quite likely,...seems to

YEP,...sounds like something I would bank on,...

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[rhuarc29]

You do realize that "could be" is something that climatologists use when expounding a "theory",...NOT fact.

I say "could be" because I'm not dumb enough to think I know with absolute certainty.

There are many theories surrounding the polar vortex and climate change. I think that only two things have actually been proven: (1) temperatures on Earth are rising and (2) humans are responsible for changing the composition of our atmosphere.

Proclaiming that the polar vortex is, without a doubt, the sole reason for our recent cold winters is ridiculous. Your own reference that found in your argument's favour used a simple climate model, something that doesn't exist in practice. Your second reference basically states that it's too early to know if global warming is responsible for our cold winters.

In other words, anyone preaching "FACT" with absolute certainly about the cause of our cold winters is too pig-headed to think clearly about the issue. Hence why I said "could be" and agreed it was a theory.

 

[Frankfooter]

Fact is,...the POLAR VORTEX is influenced by low pressure areas.

An important point for the UNEMPLOYABLE worshipers,...what happened in 2104, has happened many times in the past, with records set that have not been broken.

List the dates of previous polar vortexes.
List the dates of previous slowdowns of the AMOC.

Show us how employable you would be in this field.
And excuse me while I go make some popcorn.

 

[danmand]

The AMOC is what we unwashed call the Gulf Stream, no?

 

[thumper18474]

The AMOC is what we unwashed call the Gulf Stream, no?

YUP...
North Atlantic current

Which ever way we slice it
This shit is real and We( humanity) fucked it up..

Personally I blame it on volkswagen...the lyin cheatin' motherfuckers...

 

[Frankfooter]

The AMOC is what we unwashed call the Gulf Stream, no?

Thermohaline is the global current, I believe, and AMOC is Atlantic Meridian Overturning Circulation, or Atlantic section of the Thermohaline.
http://www.eoearth.org/view/article/150290/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation

This article has some nice graphics on the difference.
http://mytoba.ca/life/three-things-sinking-our-global-fisheries/

 

[FAST]

Take the blinders off

List the dates of previous polar vortexes.
List the dates of previous slowdowns of the AMOC.

Show us how employable you would be in this field.
And excuse me while I go make some popcorn.

So let me get this straight,...you actually don't believe that there has been any previous POLAR VORTEX events,...that did actually set records,...that have YET to be broken,...???

I also see you still haven't learnt to read,...just were did I say that there were previous AMOC slow downs,...???

POLAR VORTEX events are nothing new,...if you believe that 2103 was the 1st,...You have to stop "reading" all the advertising on your UNEMPLOYABLE web sites,...

As far as being "employable" in that field,...looks like the only requirement is the ability to con some government into paying you.

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[FAST]

I say "could be" because I'm not dumb enough to think I know with absolute certainty.

There are many theories surrounding the polar vortex and climate change. I think that only two things have actually been proven: (1) temperatures on Earth are rising and (2) humans are responsible for changing the composition of our atmosphere.

Proclaiming that the polar vortex is, without a doubt, the sole reason for our recent cold winters is ridiculous. Your own reference that found in your argument's favour used a simple climate model, something that doesn't exist in practice. Your second reference basically states that it's too early to know if global warming is responsible for our cold winters.

In other words, anyone preaching "FACT" with absolute certainly about the cause of our cold winters is too pig-headed to think clearly about the issue. Hence why I said "could be" and agreed it was a theory.

You still are preaching theories,...some come to be correct,...some not so much.

Temps on earth are rising,...what an earth shattering discovery,...been going on for hundreds of years,...with records set on a regular basis,...

But the FACT is,...the POLAR VORTEX events are nothing new,...and are completely predictable, because they are controlled by barometric pressure differences in the stratosphere.

If you want to be educated,...try watching the weather channel this winter, when they predict the temp. for the next 5 days to a degree,...based on how the barometric pressures in the stratosphere control the POLAR VORTEX,...with absolutely NO mention of AMOC.

No,... seems like,...could be,...maybe,...

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[Frankfooter]

So let me get this straight,...you actually don't believe that there has been any previous POLAR VORTEX events,...that did actually set records,...that have YET to be broken,...???

I also see you still haven't learnt to read,...just were did I say that there were previous AMOC slow downs,...???

POLAR VORTEX events are nothing new,...if you believe that 2103 was the 1st,...You have to stop "reading" all the advertising on your UNEMPLOYABLE web sites,...

As far as being "employable" in that field,...looks like the only requirement is the ability to con some government into paying you.

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Right, so you admit the AMOC slowdown is a new event.

And you also can't find any other examples of a polar vortex that, according to your home made crackpot theory, could have caused the AMOC slowdown.

In other words, you have no other explanation or other examples of the kind of slowdown AMOC is experiencing.

Thanks for showing how totally 'unemployable' you'd be, even as just a guide at the science centre.

 

[Frankfooter]

You still are preaching theories,...some come to be correct,...some not so much.

...
But the FACT is,...the POLAR VORTEX events are nothing new,...and are completely predictable, because they are controlled by barometric pressure differences in the stratosphere.

Comedy gold.
Complain someone else has a theory (backed by the data) and then come up with a crackpot theory of your own that wouldn't pass a high school .

Comedy gold.

 

[rhuarc29]

If you want to be educated,...try watching the weather channel this winter, when they predict the temp. for the next 5 days to a degree

LOL

The weather channel only gets the temps correct to within one degree when they get lucky! It rarely happens.

 

[notthemama]

A cold blob in the North Atlantic? The dickens you say.
Cold in the North?
Didn't know my ex was on a cruise.
She certainly has the money after he Liar got done with me.

 

[FAST]

Right, so you admit the AMOC slowdown is a new event.

And you also can't find any other examples of a polar vortex that, according to your home made crackpot theory, could have caused the AMOC slowdown.

In other words, you have no other explanation or other examples of the kind of slowdown AMOC is experiencing.

Thanks for showing how totally 'unemployable' you'd be, even as just a guide at the science centre.

Do you ever wonder why you are called a liar,... far more times than ANYBODY else on terb,...???

I did NOT state that the AMOC was not,... being a new event,...

I did NOT state that,...the polar vortex could have caused the AMOC slowdown..

Since you still believe that the POLAR VORTEX is new phenomena,...while everybody else in the world knows it has existed for ever,...I will not waste any more of my valuable time on a loser.

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[FAST]

Comedy gold.
Complain someone else has a theory (backed by the data) and then come up with a crackpot theory of your own that wouldn't pass a high school .

Comedy gold.

When you finally figure out the difference between a unproven theory,... and a proven FACT,...let me know,...until then don't wast my time.

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[FAST]

LOL

The weather channel only gets the temps correct to within one degree when they get lucky! It rarely happens.

Far more often than the UNEMPLOYABLE's guesstimates.

NOAA predicted in 2013,...that the POLAR VORTEX would NOT make ANOTHER excursion down to the US in 2014.

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[rhuarc29]

Far more often than the UNEMPLOYABLE's guesstimates.

NOAA predicted in 2013,...that the POLAR VORTEX would NOT make ANOTHER excursion down to the US in 2014.

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Sure. My point is that you were seemingly saying the weather channel is infallible. Which would be a ludicrous belief.

The only thing I've been arguing here is that you don't know for sure that the cold winters haven't been caused, at their root, by melting, land-based ice.

 

[Frankfooter]

Do you ever wonder why you are called a liar,... far more times than ANYBODY else on terb,...???

I did NOT state that the AMOC was not,... being a new event,...

I did NOT state that,...the polar vortex could have caused the AMOC slowdown..

You claimed that the 'blob' and/or AMOC slowdown was really just Polar Vortex effects, and that it was nothing new.
I know its hard, but try putting 2+2 together.

Since you still believe that the POLAR VORTEX is new phenomena,...while everybody else in the world knows it has existed for ever,...I will not waste any more of my valuable time on a loser.

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This claim that the polar vortex has been around for a long time and is causing this newer AMOC slowdown is your claim.
Its up to you to provide some proof for this totally ridiculous, hairbrained theory, not me.

 

[Indiana]

No worries. Was just Rosie O'Donnell falling off her cruise ship again.

 

[basketcase]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...bout-a-cold-blob-in-the-north-atlantic-ocean/

Question for fast.

I assume you noticed the little blue blob in the North Atlantic. You probably noticed all of the red blobs as well? Can you tell us what the red areas represent?

 

[FAST]

Question for fast.

I assume you noticed the little blue blob in the North Atlantic. You probably noticed all of the red blobs as well? Can you tell us what the red areas represent?

Unlike the well known loser poster here,...no need to mention its name,...I will actually answer your question.

The red areas represent new high temp. records.

As everybody knows,...the earth has been warming since records have been kept,... starting in 1880.

A question for you,...why does footer's favorite UNEMPLOYABLE's site NOT publish the same illustration,... showing records being set prior to 2012,...rather useless,...don't ya think.

Once again,...looking at a grand total of 3 years out of 135 ,...does NOT make NOAA's grand proclamations very creditable,...does it,...!!!

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