9/11 Fourteen Years Later

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The building wasn't a giant Lego block. It was a pile of falling debris as the floors disintegrated and started falling. In fact a lower segment of the core remained standing briefly after the rest of the building crashed around it, and then fell shortly after, though you can't see that in the videos as dust obscured the bottom of the building. Engineers were able to determine that by looking at the debris after and finding that parts of the core were on top of the debris pile.
Yes, the debris seems to have targeted only WTC 7, the US Postal building and Verizon were unscathed and still standing, UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE, SERIOUSLY.
In fact, parts of WTC 6 look a LOT better off than WTC 7 did in the aftermath, I mean, it's still standing. LOL
Thanks for mentioning the debris. :)
 

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Is not not factual?

2 planes, 3 buildings.

All 3 buildings fell straight down.

Which part is untrue?

Btw, you never did address this reply with the debris.
Talk about an imagination, stuff like this is inspiring that anything is possible.

"The WTC 5 got a few lumps of debris, the US Postal building looks pretty damn good to me and VERIZON which is right next door to WTC 7 looks unscathed as well. AMAZING!
Looks to me like the debris and fires were pretty selective in how and where they fell."

I give you that. WTC 7 is still a mystery, and the way IT fell, resembles a controlled-demolition but the Twin Towers don't.
 

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Explain again why Newton's 3rd Law is not relevant. You say the floors "pancaked", so there's mass with force going to hit mass and force below it.
So how is that not relevant?
You're just claiming the "I'm right, you're wrong", who has been proven to be "fake"?

Please, explain, Newton's 3rd Law you haven't addressed why it's not relevant when in fact, FLOORS COLLAPSING (albeit 15% and 30% v. 85% and 70% PLUS the force of the foundation/earth) against the falling portion.

If you don't reply with a relevant answer it shows you CANNOT explain it because it's scientifically impossible for Newton's 3rd Law to be irrelevant in this case.
CLEARLY it's relevant if the CORE and the rest of the building got pulverized into dust.

So last shot Fuji, before I for the first time claim this debate over, like you've been trying to do for the past 3 pages. LOL
The core and the rest of the building didn't get pulverized into dust. There were large pieces of debris. You are just babbling nonsense now.

The fact is you claimed it fell like a controlled demolition. The fact is it didn't fall that way.

What are you even still debating????.

And I don't say the building pancaked. I pointed out that YOU CAN SEE IT PANCAKE. That is a fact the debate proceeds from, not something up for discussion.
 

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Is not not factual?

2 planes, 3 buildings.

All 3 buildings fell straight down.

Which part is untrue?
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You mean besides the perfect symmetry part you omitted from this post?

Speaking of self contradictory, I'd also take issue with the straight down (as your debris map clearly shows that wasn't the case) .

p.s. Are you now subscribing to tit's theory that the debris was intentionally directed at certain locations?
 

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The building wasn't a giant Lego block. It was a pile of falling debris as the floors disintegrated and started falling. In fact a lower segment of the core remained standing briefly after the rest of the building crashed around it, and then fell shortly after, though you can't see that in the videos as dust obscured the bottom of the building. Engineers were able to determine that by looking at the debris after and finding that parts of the core were on top of the debris pile.

And parts of the building DID fall elsewhere, which is how nearby buildings were damaged. The bulk of the falling debris just went straight down but some large pieces landed elsewhere.
You're right. It wasn't a Lego block. That's a great analogy.

The core was structural steel frame, and not entirely of reinforced concrete (example, Toronto's Stock Exchange Building, that is, the new one, has a massive reinforced concrete core, just like the Bay-Adelaide Centre).

I guess it collapsed under the shear weight too (the falling core section above it might have punched down on the part below like a tin can?)
 

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I'm talking about the floors (mass) falling (with force) onto the rest of the building.
The planes v. the building are one thing.
The floors "pancaking" onto the rest of the building are another.

I'm speaking of the latter.

Understand now?
Newton's 3rd does not apply to that context because as I've already said, the building was not made of solid blocks but rather a frame of individually connected members. As the failure occurred each member became an independent element, not part of a whole.


Oh, the free fall claims are bullshit as I've said.


p.s. Yes, the energy needed to cause lower elements to fail would reduce the total energy of the collapse (give resistance). Of course if you compared the forces or energy involved, the restive forces would be the equivalent of a bunch of ants trying to hold back a rampaging elephant.
 

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Is not not factual?

2 planes, 3 buildings.

All 3 buildings fell straight down.

Which part is untrue?

Btw, you never did address this reply with the debris.
Talk about an imagination, stuff like this is inspiring that anything is possible.

"The WTC 5 got a few lumps of debris, the US Postal building looks pretty damn good to me and VERIZON which is right next door to WTC 7 looks unscathed as well. AMAZING!
Looks to me like the debris and fires were pretty selective in how and where they fell."
If the debris had hit Verizon instead you would now be telling us that it was pretty selective in taking out Verizon. If it had hit the postal building, that would be your conspiracy.

You are a troll.
 

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Yes, the debris seems to have targeted only WTC 7, the US Postal building and Verizon were unscathed and still standing, UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE, SERIOUSLY.
In fact, parts of WTC 6 look a LOT better off than WTC 7 did in the aftermath, I mean, it's still standing. LOL
Thanks for mentioning the debris. :)...
Remote control debris. Who knew that the military had that kind of technology. Then again, if they have invisible explosives that they attached to the exterior structure then why couldn't they have remote control debris?
 

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You keep repeating this free fall claim DESPITE clear evidence that it wasn't. Pieces fell past the intact building at free fall (minus minimal impact of air resistance. Clearly the building wasn't at free fall.
No it's at freefall +30%. NIST initially said freefall, but changed their story (either because they knew they'd be called on this or they actually were called on it), either way, if NIST made a mistake in their initial findings and these guys are supposed to know physics, imagine what else they could have fucked up? lol

And anyone who claims to have measured the time is absolutely full of shit.
Says you? Mr. Physics?

You can't see the bottom of the building because of debris from the top and other nearby buildings so the best you can get is an estimate.
DUDE 110 STORY building in less than 10 seconds, with what seems to be NO RESISTANCE.
Did all that concrete and metal just disappear suddenly?

I have to just shake my head and think this is ideological on your part, you aren't this mentally challenged................................... are you?
 

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You're right. It wasn't a Lego block. That's a great analogy.

The core was structural steel frame, and not entirely of reinforced concrete (example, Toronto's Stock Exchange Building, that is, the new one, has a massive reinforced concrete core, just like the Bay-Adelaide Centre).

I guess it collapsed under the shear weight too (the falling core section above it might have punched down on the part below like a tin can?)
The falling debris created an enormous amount of heat along with the kinetic impact. The potential gravitational energy turned into heat as the falling objects impacted.

Conservation of energy requires that the energy of the falling mass be preserved so you can work out how much potential energy is locked up in holding that much concrete in the sky: all that turned into a huge amount of heat, weakening and ultimately bringing down the core, parts of which which did briefly stand after the rest came down.
 

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I believe he is referring to the collision of the top part against the bottom part of the building, at the moment of collapse.
As I said, the buildings weren't blocks but a bunch of individual members. I remember in university when we used finite element software, the calculations involved in the software were so intense that all the other computer labs had to be shut down so the servers had the computing capacity available.
 

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fuji

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No it's at freefall +30%. NIST initially said freefall, but changed their story (either because they knew they'd be called on this or they actually were called on it), either way, if NIST made a mistake in their initial findings and these guys are supposed to know physics, imagine what else they could have fucked up? lol


Says you? Mr. Physics?



DUDE 110 STORY building in less than 10 seconds, with what seems to be NO RESISTANCE.
Did all that concrete and metal just disappear suddenly?

I have to just shake my head and think this is ideological on your part, you aren't this mentally challenged................................... are you?
And still you post as though nothing happened, as if your whole controlled demolition claim and you and your experts hadn't been proven to be fraud.

You really are a troll...
 

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Yes, but I don't think the cross-members would've mitigated the collapse.....
The cross members were only attached at their ends by simple bolts. They would have provided very little resistance to a couple dozen stories collapsing on them.

As I said before, the kinetic energy of the building collapsing would be not that much less than the original atomic bombs.
 

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Thanks for showing how intentionally dishonest you are.

Or maybe it's your eyes? Too much time in the basement.
Either way, enjoy.

For reference, one of the posts where Tesla made his central claim, which revealed that he and his "experts" are just fraud artists.

He is trying to ignore that he posted this....
 

TESLAMotors

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And still you post as though nothing happened, as if your whole controlled demolition claim and you and your experts hadn't been proven to be fraud.

You really are a troll...

Ahh, Fuji, you failed, you can't answer and refute Newton's 3rd Law so you dismiss it because you know your answer (if honest) would be, "yes it's relevant, therefore, I can't explain how there was no resistance and why 110 stories crashed straight down in less than 10 seconds".
You failed, I'll call it at 8:24pm.
 

basketcase

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Is not not factual?

2 planes, 3 buildings.

All 3 buildings fell straight down.



What's incorrect?
So not only do you make up theories of remote control debris; not only do you ignore actual facts and inconvenient questions; not only do you change the topic when your claims are destroyed but now you repeat questions that have already been answered.

You mean besides the perfect symmetry part you omitted from this post?

Speaking of self contradictory, I'd also take issue with the straight down (as your debris map clearly shows that wasn't the case) .
 

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So the building fell faster than gravity? I guess that makes sense because your remote control debris must have had some kind of propulsion to make it hit where the government wanted it to.
I meant to say 30% slower than freefall.


AS for debris, it's amazing isn't it.
US POSTAL, VERIZON, unscathed.
WTC 7 demolished.
 
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