Provider References
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I don't require them but my assistant just provided a reference to a provider for a client last week. It happens all the time.
Skip all SPs who require references. Typically indies only do this as they are trying to snoop around. I've never used an agency that required references.
It doesn't even make sense anyway because since this industry is such a "fly by night" type of thing, there is no guarantee the reference will even say good things about you, but may bad mouth you so that the inquiring SP will decline you and prevent you from spending your money with her. And how are the SPs going to know it's you? You'd have to go into some hardcore detailed information to verify it's the same person they are discussing.
Also, SPs talk to one another anyway. We clients just don't know it. The number of times I've called someone for the first time and they brought up that a specific colleague (correct person) said I was a good guy, clean place etc.... is probably at least 5-6 times. So some of them will call around themselves. And these 5-6 times are only the times they actually told me they did their own checks.
Another reason I don't call people who want references is because there is no way to verify them. All that is available is if this TERB board (or another board) is lucky enough and has some honest detailed reviews to go on.
Other than that, there is nothing to go by to verify an SP either. So it goes both ways.
For example, some SPs look young, but ZERO would show you a valid ID to verify age.
It doesn't even make sense anyway because since this industry is such a "fly by night" type of thing, there is no guarantee the reference will even say good things about you, but may bad mouth you so that the inquiring SP will decline you and prevent you from spending your money with her. And how are the SPs going to know it's you? You'd have to go into some hardcore detailed information to verify it's the same person they are discussing.
Also, SPs talk to one another anyway. We clients just don't know it. The number of times I've called someone for the first time and they brought up that a specific colleague (correct person) said I was a good guy, clean place etc.... is probably at least 5-6 times. So some of them will call around themselves. And these 5-6 times are only the times they actually told me they did their own checks.
Another reason I don't call people who want references is because there is no way to verify them. All that is available is if this TERB board (or another board) is lucky enough and has some honest detailed reviews to go on.
Other than that, there is nothing to go by to verify an SP either. So it goes both ways.
For example, some SPs look young, but ZERO would show you a valid ID to verify age.
Whether you agree or not with references, that's your opinion. But to say that SPs do it so they can "snoop around", sorry you're misinformed or just ignorant.
It's called safety, for one thing. They don't know jack squat about you when you contact them, especially for the first time. Yet, you likely have some idea about them as you saw an ad of some sort or read a review. All they want to know is, are you the nice guy you say you are in your contact email/call to them.. or are you a piece of disrespectful dirt.
Personally, I have no issue with a lady asking for a reference - and yet, I can count on one hand the number of times its happened. Yes, the ladies do talk to each other which is great as it provides a safety net and support system they can't get seeing as we're all branded as criminals and perverts. And yes, unfortunately, there are scumbags and dangerous people out there looking to hurt them.
If you don't like dealing with SPs who require referneces, then there are plenty of other options for you.
It's called safety, for one thing. They don't know jack squat about you when you contact them, especially for the first time. Yet, you likely have some idea about them as you saw an ad of some sort or read a review. All they want to know is, are you the nice guy you say you are in your contact email/call to them.. or are you a piece of disrespectful dirt.
Personally, I have no issue with a lady asking for a reference - and yet, I can count on one hand the number of times its happened. Yes, the ladies do talk to each other which is great as it provides a safety net and support system they can't get seeing as we're all branded as criminals and perverts. And yes, unfortunately, there are scumbags and dangerous people out there looking to hurt them.
If you don't like dealing with SPs who require referneces, then there are plenty of other options for you.
And where's the safety net for clients?
You really think all the SPs are clean, drug free, and of legit age? Every once in a while some place gets busted for underage girls you read on the news.
Where's the references checks or verification from SPs telling clients they are legit? Absolutely none of them will provide that info. For clients, depending if it's incall/outcall and such, a clients real phone number, home, name etc... may be used and known. Most people's phones have name display. For SPs, there is zero verifiable info to go on. And most of them photoshop their pics too, so even the images are airbrushed.
Mammo, what you say is right on. I have to shake my heads at the things some people post.
Stick with agencies. I don't think there is one (that I've used) that asks for references.
Just be a good guy, be clean and such and things will be fine. If you repeat at the agency with other SPs, they will likely talk among themselves anyway and do their own cross-verification to ensure you are a good guy. You just don't know they do that.
Totally appreciate why SPs might prefer references. However I too am entitled to preferences and always regret when I see that an attractive candidate is requiring them, because (so long as alernatives are available) I will choose to go elsewhere. References presumably require some confirmation of identity... and for me privacy is the key ingredient to my participation in the Hobby.
I'd give references out on several occasions, and also been asked if they could use myself as a reference also .
In the USA this a common and safe way of booking , and Bill C36 ever goes into true affect it will be the only safe way to book.
if the escort provider that you want to see has a booking protocol , its usually for privacy and discretion and safety for both parties
If you're frequenting places where SPs are doing drugs and are underage, then you are the master of your own demise. Thank god you and I will never cross paths
You want to live on the edge, be my guest... you get what you pay for, so to speak.
Again, the only time i have been asked for a reference has been from a legit, respectable and responsible lady and/or agency.
Bill C-36 HAS been in effect for 9 months and it only criminalizes GUYS. You appear to be confused.
I've never done an incall. Only outcalls, so it's on my territory. Not some hotel or condo rental which can be an revolving door of visitors.
Some indies and agency girls have arrived high and serious skin issues that are definitely from drugs. You'll never see that on a photoshopped web page.
And no worries, I wouldn't want to meet you either as I have no interest in meeting white knights. Although you should re-word your line "respectable and responsible ladies and agencies" because it makes it sound like ones who don't ask for references are shady.
I'm also curious which agency asked for references, since I've never seen one ask for it.
If bill c36 goes into effect (meaning police forces change priorities and start investing time and money in busting clients of high end escorts) references will be of absolutely no use in avoiding arrest. They are also of absolutely no use in avoiding dangerous clients.
The police sting will be set up using as bait well reviewed escort who asks for references (and the subsequent investigation will chase down those references in building the case). The bait will be well reviewed because the police will make posting a glowing review a condition of a plea bargain for the last batch of hapeless clients they arrested. Some of the reviews will even be from long time trusted reviewers who nobody realizes has been arrested and given the plea deal.
So no if the police really want to spend energy setting up stings references won't help.
As for clients planning to rob, rape, or beat an SP they just have to book one non violent session and behave and voila, reference, which causes you to trust them. False sense of security really.
References may help you avoid clients who are oblivious to the fact that they are smelly or rude. A client that is oblivious to the reasons they are blacklisted won't know to create a reference session.
Really? lol Are you for real?
Care to share your personal experience as an SP and tell us how the use of references has never saved you, not even once, from a potential bad date? I'd love to hear all about it and how you managed to keep yourself save over the days/weeks/months/years.
Since it seems you're an experienced SP, I'm sure you know that asking for a reference is only part of the entire screening process, right? You must know that a lot more goes into screening a potential client, correct?
I'd also love to know where you got your information about the set up of future stings
Gabriella, you don't realize Fuji is never wrong (at least not in his mind). I can't wait to see his response since yours was right on the money IMHO.Really? lol Are you for real?
Care to share your personal experience as an SP and tell us how the use of references has never saved you, not even once, from a potential bad date? I'd love to hear all about it and how you managed to keep yourself save over the days/weeks/months/years.
Since it seems you're an experienced SP, I'm sure you know that asking for a reference is only part of the entire screening process, right? You must know that a lot more goes into screening a potential client, correct?
I'd also love to know where you got your information about the set up of future stings
You do know that by participating in a review board you are reading reviews about SPs and thus are getting "references" .. whereas an SP can't do the same for you right? I've done the reference thing and it's not my preference but I can understand it.. which is why I joined a review board in the first place. Kind of hypocritical, no?
