President Is Dead Wrong About Climate Change: Nobel Prize Winning Scientist

[Moviefan-2]

Why do you keep posting this blatant lie?
Here's the data since 2000:

2015 0.81°C
2014 0.70°C
2013 0.67°C
2012 0.69°C
2011 0.63°C
2010 0.73°C
2009 0.64°C
2008 0.58°C
2007 0.53°C
2006 0.63°C
2005 0.66°C
2004 0.48°C
2003 0.54°C
2002 0.62°C
2001 0.56°C
2000 0.40ºC

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Since 2000 the global temp has gone up 0.41ºC in only 15 years.
Those are the actual measurements.

You really need to get your facts straight.

Aren't you precious -- cherry picking a La Nina year to start and the mid-way part of an El Nino year to finish.

Unfortunately, your full-year temperatures show the increase from 2005 to 2014 was only 4/100ths of a degree. That's statistically meaningless. Furthermore, your numbers show the temperature in 2014 was 3/100ths of a degree less than 2010.

Meanwhile, here's the rest of the data:

- NASA's adjusted numbers show an increase of only 0.05 degrees Celsius from 2005 to 2014 -- also statistically meaningless. In fact, from 2002 to 2012, NASA's adjusted data show no change in temperatures at all, and the difference between 2003 and 2013 is only 0.03 degrees Celsius.

- The HadCRUT4 data of surface temperatures showed the temperature in 2014 was the same as 1998, 2005 and 2010.

- The Berkeley Earth Science data of surface temperatures showed 2014 was not statistically any warmer than 2005 or 2010.

- The Japan Meteorological Agency data of surface temperatures show 2005, 2010 and 2014 were all similar and all three years had slightly lower temperatures than 1998.

- The RSS satellite data show there hasn't been any warming for more than 18 years.

- The University of Alabama in Huntsville's satellite data show the temperature in 2014 was less than the temperature in 2000.

The surface and satellite data all confirm that temperatures have been stagnant in the 21st century. Deal with it.

 

[Frankfooter]

Aren't you precious -- cherry picking a La Nina year to start and the mid-way part of an El Nino year to finish.

You picked the dates.

And the actual measurements -- both the surface temperature readings and the satellite data -- confirm the Earth's temperature has been stagnant in the 21st century and that the IPCC's predictions were spectacularly wrong.

You claimed that there was no warming in the 21st century, 2000-2015.
You cherry picked the dates, as usual, you didn't do any research first.

Now its time for you to admit your claim is wrong.
Here's the data since 2000:

2015 0.81°C
2014 0.70°C
2013 0.67°C
2012 0.69°C
2011 0.63°C
2010 0.73°C
2009 0.64°C
2008 0.58°C
2007 0.53°C
2006 0.63°C
2005 0.66°C
2004 0.48°C
2003 0.54°C
2002 0.62°C
2001 0.56°C
2000 0.40ºC

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Since 2000 the global temp has gone up 0.41ºC in only 15 years.
Those are the actual measurements.

 

[basketcase]

OMG!!!

Are you serious? You think the temperature of the planet is determined by straw votes?? :Eek:

So, if someone believes in his heart that the planet is warmer -- that means it's warmer??? Screw what the actual observed data say?

This is more frakking retarded than your claim that the temperature increased by 0.18 degrees Celsius from 2010 to 2014.

The Earth's temperature isn't decided by holding a vote or conducting a prayer session. You use actual measurements to determine the Earth's temperature.
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Your new excuse is laughable. The data YOU posted said that 37% of scientists believe the data over the decade shows an increasing pattern while 9-18% say it's constant (and 23% see 10 years as too Short to determine a trend).

It's pretty amusing when you start arguing against your own sources.

 

[basketcase]

Aren't you precious -- cherry picking a La Nina year to start and the mid-way part of an El Nino year to finish.

I could have sworn you wanted to discuss THIS CENTURY. Did this century start in a year other than 2000?

 

[basketcase]

Your new excuse is laughable. The data YOU posted said that 37% of scientists believe the data over the decade shows an increasing pattern while 9-18% say it's constant (and 23% see 10 years as too Short to determine a trend).

It's pretty amusing when you start arguing against your own sources.

I need to apologize. I was misreading the question from the source you quoted.

The question:
Has the trend in global average temperature changed over the past decade, compared to the preceding decades? •

The trend in discussion is the increase in temperature.

Therefore there results are even more telling.
58% of scientists still see an increasing trend. 23% see 10 years as being too short a time to tell and only 9% support your view that the temperature hasn't changed.

Apologies for my error but the reality makes you claims even more laughable. I can't believe that you actually posted a source that destroyed all your claims.

7:1 scientists who see AGW as dominant to your natural belief.
6:1 scientists who see temperature still showing a rising trend to your no change belief.

Again YOUR SOURCE.

Of course I don't expect you to change you intransigence.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Basketcase:

You really don't get it, do you?

The way you determine whether or not the Earth's temperature has increased is you look at the data and see if there is a difference. It's not a matter of belief -- these are measurable facts.

For example, if the temperature anomaly in one year was 0.5 degrees Celsius, and 10 years later it is 0.5 degrees Celsius, we can conclude that those two temperature anomalies are the same. It doesn't matter how many climate researchers "believe" differently.

The 46 per cent of respondents who said the temperature trends were higher or the same as preceding decades were wrong. Even the adjusted data on Groggy's NASA graph show that's not the case.

Even worse, more than 70 per cent of respondents who answered the question about how the temperatures compare with the predictions got it wrong.

And that's the point. Not only is there no "97% consensus," but the majority support for AGW is meaningless because most of the climate researchers who answered the survey were clearly unfamiliar with the data.

As I said yesterday, who cares what the ill-informed believe?

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I thought it was pretty shocking last month when Basketcase posted -- in three different threads -- his new temperature trends that were created by plotting two completely different data sets on the same graph (he now claims he can't remember posting his prediction of a 0.18 degrees Celsius increase from 2010 to 2014).

But this is too much. The argument that temperature trends are simply a matter of "belief" is pure fairy-tale nonsense.

Basketcase, you don't know a damn thing about science.

 

[Frankfooter]

Basketcase:

You really don't get it, do you?

The way you determine whether or not the Earth's temperature has increased is you look at the data and see if there is a difference. It's not a matter of belief -- these are measurable facts..

Yes, as NASA did showing that there has been a very large increase in global surface temperature this century.
Yet you continue to lie and claim the opposite.

You need to answer to this:

Aren't you precious -- cherry picking a La Nina year to start and the mid-way part of an El Nino year to finish.

You picked the dates.

And the actual measurements -- both the surface temperature readings and the satellite data -- confirm the Earth's temperature has been stagnant in the 21st century and that the IPCC's predictions were spectacularly wrong.

You claimed that there was no warming in the 21st century, 2000-2015.
You cherry picked the dates, as usual, you didn't do any research first.

Now its time for you to admit your claim is wrong.
Here's the data since 2000:

2015 0.81°C
2014 0.70°C
2013 0.67°C
2012 0.69°C
2011 0.63°C
2010 0.73°C
2009 0.64°C
2008 0.58°C
2007 0.53°C
2006 0.63°C
2005 0.66°C
2004 0.48°C
2003 0.54°C
2002 0.62°C
2001 0.56°C
2000 0.40ºC

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Since 2000 the global temp has gone up 0.41ºC in only 15 years.
Those are the actual measurements.

 

[basketcase]

Basketcase:

You really don't get it, do you?

The way you determine whether or not the Earth's temperature has increased is you look at the data and see if there is a difference.....

Then can you explain why a strong majority of the experts disagree with you?

Of for that matter can you explain why if that poll is so meaningless YOU POSTED IT? I guess it was okay when you thought the opinion of the experts agreed with you.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Then can you explain why a strong majority of the experts disagree with you?

Yes!

Because -- as the data have confirmed -- they got it wrong.

Even Groggy's adjusted NASA graph shows the temperature trend in the 21st century was less than the previous decades. All the other graphs show the same thing -- in fact, the other graphs show temperatures in the 21st century being even more stagnant.

This is the point you keep missing. The majority of your so-called "experts" were unfamiliar with the data.

Of for that matter can you explain why if that poll is so meaningless YOU POSTED IT?

Yes!

Because the results confirm that the claims of a "97% consensus" are total B.S.

The rest of your argument is just your usual dishonest nuttiness. It was you -- not me -- that said the 66 per cent number is "very compelling." Given the ignorance of many of the respondents, I don't find it compelling at all.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes!

Because -- as the data have confirmed -- they got it wrong.
.

The data confirms that there is continual rise in global temperatures, as predicted by the IPCC.
Yet you continue to lie and claim the opposite.

You need to answer to this:

Aren't you precious -- cherry picking a La Nina year to start and the mid-way part of an El Nino year to finish.

You picked the dates.

And the actual measurements -- both the surface temperature readings and the satellite data -- confirm the Earth's temperature has been stagnant in the 21st century and that the IPCC's predictions were spectacularly wrong.

You claimed that there was no warming in the 21st century, 2000-2015.
You cherry picked the dates, as usual, you didn't do any research first.

Now its time for you to admit your claim is wrong.
Here's the data since 2000:

2015 0.81°C
2014 0.70°C
2013 0.67°C
2012 0.69°C
2011 0.63°C
2010 0.73°C
2009 0.64°C
2008 0.58°C
2007 0.53°C
2006 0.63°C
2005 0.66°C
2004 0.48°C
2003 0.54°C
2002 0.62°C
2001 0.56°C
2000 0.40ºC

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Since 2000 the global temp has gone up 0.41ºC in only 15 years.
Those are the actual measurements.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Groggy:

You might be fooling Basketcase. You're not fooling me, and I doubt you're fooling anyone else.

 

[Frankfooter]

You're not fooling me, and I doubt you're fooling anyone else.

You claimed there was no increase in the 21st century.
You need to admit you are wrong.

The data confirms that there is continual rise in global temperatures, as predicted by the IPCC.
Yet you continue to lie and claim the opposite.

You need to answer to this:

Aren't you precious -- cherry picking a La Nina year to start and the mid-way part of an El Nino year to finish.

You picked the dates.

And the actual measurements -- both the surface temperature readings and the satellite data -- confirm the Earth's temperature has been stagnant in the 21st century and that the IPCC's predictions were spectacularly wrong.

You claimed that there was no warming in the 21st century, 2000-2015.
You cherry picked the dates, as usual, you didn't do any research first.

Now its time for you to admit your claim is wrong.
Here's the data since 2000:

2015 0.81°C
2014 0.70°C
2013 0.67°C
2012 0.69°C
2011 0.63°C
2010 0.73°C
2009 0.64°C
2008 0.58°C
2007 0.53°C
2006 0.63°C
2005 0.66°C
2004 0.48°C
2003 0.54°C
2002 0.62°C
2001 0.56°C
2000 0.40ºC

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Since 2000 the global temp has gone up 0.41ºC in only 15 years.
Those are the actual measurements.

 

[bishop]

You claimed there was no increase in the 21st century.
You need to admit you are wrong.

The data confirms that there is continual rise in global temperatures, as predicted by the IPCC.
Yet you continue to lie and claim the opposite.

You need to answer to this:

You picked the dates.




You claimed that there was no warming in the 21st century, 2000-2015.
You cherry picked the dates, as usual, you didn't do any research first.

Now its time for you to admit your claim is wrong.
Here's the data since 2000:

2015 0.81°C
2014 0.70°C
2013 0.67°C
2012 0.69°C
2011 0.63°C
2010 0.73°C
2009 0.64°C
2008 0.58°C
2007 0.53°C
2006 0.63°C
2005 0.66°C
2004 0.48°C
2003 0.54°C
2002 0.62°C
2001 0.56°C
2000 0.40ºC

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Since 2000 the global temp has gone up 0.41ºC in only 15 years.
Those are the actual measurements.

Frank you do know that the numbers you posted are not supported by graph in the link you posted http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

This is what happens when you become laxed and give climate science which is not a science the prestige of being a science, you think you now have a free pass to do as climate scientists do and just mash together divergent data sets and call it scientific proof.

 

[Frankfooter]

Frank you do know that the numbers you posted are not supported by graph in the link you posted http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

This is what happens when you become laxed and give climate science which is not a science the prestige of being a science, you think you now have a free pass to do as climate scientists do and just mash together divergent data sets and call it scientific proof.

Sorry, copy and paste error, that was me being lax, not either NASA or NOAA.
We've been talking NASA and NOAA more or less interchangeably here and I used the wrong link.
Those numbers come from NOAA, at:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global


Here's the data since 2000 (source NOAA):

2015 0.81°C
2014 0.70°C
2013 0.67°C
2012 0.69°C
2011 0.63°C
2010 0.73°C
2009 0.64°C
2008 0.58°C
2007 0.53°C
2006 0.63°C
2005 0.66°C
2004 0.48°C
2003 0.54°C
2002 0.62°C
2001 0.56°C
2000 0.40ºC

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global

Since 2000 the global temp has gone up 0.41ºC in only 15 years.
Those are the actual measurements.


And I'm still waiting for Moviefan to admit he is spectacularly wrong:

Aren't you precious -- cherry picking a La Nina year to start and the mid-way part of an El Nino year to finish.

You picked the dates.

And the actual measurements -- both the surface temperature readings and the satellite data -- confirm the Earth's temperature has been stagnant in the 21st century and that the IPCC's predictions were spectacularly wrong.

You claimed that there was no warming in the 21st century, 2000-2015.
You cherry picked the dates, as usual, you didn't do any research first.
Moviefan, you need to admit you are spectacularly wrong in your claim there has been no increase in global surface temp this century.

 

[bishop]

Pretty convenient to chose the dataset that supports your claim rather than the NASA numbers. Must be nice to be able pick and choose which dataset to use based on what assertion you are trying to support at the time, real scientists without that luxury are green with envy.

 

[Frankfooter]

Pretty convenient to chose the dataset that supports your claim rather than the NASA numbers. Must be nice to be able pick and choose which dataset to use based on what assertion you are trying to support at the time, real scientists without that luxury are green with envy.

Here's the data from NASA, its quite similar.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

Why don't you take a look and tell me how different it is.

 

[bishop]

Well for one it supports Movie fan's claim that so far in the 21st century temperatures have become stagnant.

 

[Frankfooter]

Well for one it supports Movie fan's claim that so far in the 21st century temperatures have become stagnant.

No it doesn't.
2000 = 0.42ºC
2015 = 0.82ºC (year to date)

That's almost exactly the same as NOAA.

 

[bishop]

Jesus, you must forgive me if I call you a retard again.

 

[Frankfooter]

Jesus, you must forgive me if I call you a retard again.

I'm atheist, so I really don't care if you call Jesus a retard, but some on this board may be offended.

Once you're past your need to call names, take a look at both sets of data:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

If you are really certain that you think you know better then NASA and NOAA and can prove that there has been no increase in the 21st century (2000-2015), go ahead and prove it.
Without name calling, if you can.