SP & Client Group Events and Gatherings

[Raging Light]

it appears some forums in Canada are promoting the idea of SP and Clients hosting public gatherings.

• Meet and Greets
• Football Games
• BBQ Events
• Client SP Pub Crawls
• SP client Poker Games

A lot of the clients and SP's who plan these events expect the ladies to attend uncompensated for their time. With the new laws in place in Canada. It just doesn't make much sense to me why people would be so irresponsible. I would have to think there would be serious safety concerns for SP's attending these events. With the nature of anonymity. It would be easy to invite and dangerous person whom could cause some harm before/after or during one of these public gatherings?

Yes = Good Idea
No = Bad Idea

Do you think attending SP & Client Public Gatherings is a good or bad idea?

 

[Chloë.]

As a provider who has attended many of these get togethers, from first hand experience I can tell you that it has been nothing but postive experiences for me.

I've generated many clients from them and met wonderful female providers to form a small collective for safety as well.

I'm not sure where this question stems from but it seems like you've never attended any and are curious how they operate.

No solicitation goes on. It always looks like a group of people getting together for a party or drinks and a lot of them have been private invites only or in surroundings open enough where safety is essentially paramount.

So....where are you going with this poll? Genuinely curious.

P.S. Never heard of a poker sp client get together...many of these are simple meet and greets in open environments with well known clients known to many providers.

 

[Raging Light]

As a provider who has attended many of these get togethers, from first hand experience I can tell you that it has been nothing but postive experiences for me.

I've generated many clients from them and met wonderful female providers to form a small collective for safety as well.

I'm not sure where this question stems from but it seems like you've never attended any and are curious how they operate.

No solicitation goes on. It always looks like a group of people getting together for a party or drinks and a lot of them have been private invites only or in surroundings open enough where safety is essentially paramount.

So....where are you going with this poll? Genuinely curious.

P.S. Never heard of a poker sp client get together...many of these are simple meet and greets in open environments with well known clients known to many providers.

You're right there are some decent people within the community attend these events for the right reasons. There's also some downright evil people out there that could take advantage of one of these gatherings to do harm.

Ex. A former banned member with a grudge to settle decides to take pics of clients and SP's to post on social media websites.

Ex. A dangerous client who's been stalking an SP could use one of these events as means of following a young lady back to her private residence.

It's too easy for people to get IP addresses these days. A dangerous client could have 5 or more handles on a fourm. I'm not sure how you would manage or mitigate any potential risks to prevent any person(s) from taking avantage of large gathering as an opportunity to cause harm.

Does this make sense?

 

[Titalian]

Its ironic, because I am single, and even though i would luv to I prefer not to. Call it discretionary.

 

[Chloë.]

With the last few parties I've attended recently in the past year, there have been measures in place to combat those things but honestly, it's an assumed risk like most things? They have been private events, with addresses only given out to trusted and validated members...

Some of them aren't, yes, but if a provider really doesn't want to attend due to safety concerns, she does not have to?

I just feel like you are creating situations in your head that haven't actually occurred...

A begrudged individual taking photos of a girl having a drink in a licensed establishment with other people? I'm sure that's quite the exposé...

 

[Colinthatchman]

I attended one some years ago and it was a lot of fun for everyone involved or so it seemed to me. I also met several amazing SP's who I later got together with privately. I say "good idea" and would like to attend if another gets planned.

To be honest, I do see the safety issues possibly involved for the ladies and have to admit, it never occurred to me before.

 

[DanJ]

If a deranged client wants to do harm to an SP, he simply only needs to book time with her and show up. Not sure how a party makes it more dangerous. Someone wants to take my picture at an event? Big deal, I'm not a politician and I socialize every week anyway. What does the new law have to do with any of it? The last meet and greet I was at, the police did a walk through. No one was arrested. Did they know it was a room full of escorts and johns? I don't know. Did they care? I doubt it, what could they do about it anyway? As for the ladies attending without being compensated for their time. Well, that is the cost of self promotion in this business, as that's what these events are generally designed for is to engage with potential future clients and reconnect with past ones. Call it "Business After Five" if you wish, as it's the same thing.

 

[DanJ]

Also, I don't know how you are suppose to answer the poll when it is actually 2 questions. Is it yes or no good or yes or no bad?

 

[Raging Light]

With the last few parties I've attended recently in the past year, there have been measures in place to combat those things but honestly, it's an assumed risk like most things? They have been private events, with addresses only given out to trusted and validated members...

Some of them aren't, yes, but if a provider really doesn't want to attend due to safety concerns, she does not have to?

I just feel like you are creating situations in your head that haven't actually occurred...

A begrudged individual taking photos of a girl having a drink in a licensed establishment with other people? I'm sure that's quite the exposé...

We had one crazy dude on PERB called Christian Bale who posted over a dozen pics of 4 SP's on the Dirty 3 years ago. He claimed he was a rich guy that was dating all of these SP's.

We had another member called Bear2, who outed 2 MP SP's on the dirty and he followed a lady from a Calgary Meet and Greet most of the way to Edmonton. She pulled into a police station in Leduc and he bolted.

During the Edmonton Meet And Greet last year, 4 SP's claim they had to call their boyfriends to escort them out of the event. They were being swarmed by large numbers of guys trying to force drinks on them while offering to give them a ride home. All 4 SP's felt the guys attending the event were doing everything possible to prevent them from leaving the room.

It doesn't mean all the events are like this either. These are just a small number of examples where things went wrong. I think you could prevent all of these situations by hiring professional bouncers to provide crowd management and the gents attending the event could pay a small cover to pay for the cost of crowd management. Under the new laws, ladies are legally allowed to hire bouncers and private security.

It would make sense to have bouncers to manage larger gatherings.

Given my profession, it would destroy my career to be outed as client. It would also destroy any prospect of fiinding a new career in my field. I don't have the luxury of trusting total strangers on forums to respect my privacy.

 

[WestCoaster]

I have been to a few over the years, but nothing recently, and I likely wouldn't again unless I knew the event was professionally done and discreet. Like others, I wouldn't want to take a chance of being outed. With the new laws in place, who knows what could happen?

Out west, there's not a single one I would trust to attend anymore.

 

[Hailey♥4U]

Does anyone recall "The Committee"?
When a gentleman won a raffle, the service provider was compensated.

 

[roger20]

We had one crazy dude on PERB called Christian Bale who posted over a dozen pics of 4 SP's on the Dirty 3 years ago. He claimed he was a rich guy that was dating all of these SP's.

We had another member called Bear2, who outed 2 MP SP's on the dirty and he followed a lady from a Calgary Meet and Greet most of the way to Edmonton. She pulled into a police station in Leduc and he bolted.

During the Edmonton Meet And Greet last year, 4 SP's claim they had to call their boyfriends to escort them out of the event. They were being swarmed by large numbers of guys trying to force drinks on them while offering to give them a ride home. All 4 SP's felt the guys attending the event were doing everything possible to prevent them from leaving the room.

It doesn't mean all the events are like this either. These are just a small number of examples where things went wrong. I think you could prevent all of these situations by hiring professional bouncers to provide crowd management and the gents attending the event could pay a small cover to pay for the cost of crowd management. Under the new laws, ladies are legally allowed to hire bouncers and private security.

It would make sense to have bouncers to manage larger gatherings.

Given my profession, it would destroy my career to be outed as client. It would also destroy any prospect of fiinding a new career in my field. I don't have the luxury of trusting total strangers on forums to respect my privacy.

Then don't go?? What's the point of this poll? Plus you seem overly concerned with the safety of SPs in relation to the perceived abundance of crazy clients when that's clearly not the case.

Hope you get your answers though!

 

[Titalian]

We had one crazy dude on PERB called Christian Bale who posted over a dozen pics of 4 SP's on the Dirty 3 years ago. He claimed he was a rich guy that was dating all of these SP's.

We had another member called Bear2, who outed 2 MP SP's on the dirty and he followed a lady from a Calgary Meet and Greet most of the way to Edmonton. She pulled into a police station in Leduc and he bolted.

During the Edmonton Meet And Greet last year, 4 SP's claim they had to call their boyfriends to escort them out of the event. They were being swarmed by large numbers of guys trying to force drinks on them while offering to give them a ride home. All 4 SP's felt the guys attending the event were doing everything possible to prevent them from leaving the room.

It doesn't mean all the events are like this either. These are just a small number of examples where things went wrong. I think you could prevent all of these situations by hiring professional bouncers to provide crowd management and the gents attending the event could pay a small cover to pay for the cost of crowd management. Under the new laws, ladies are legally allowed to hire bouncers and private security.

It would make sense to have bouncers to manage larger gatherings.

Given my profession, it would destroy my career to be outed as client. It would also destroy any prospect of fiinding a new career in my field. I don't have the luxury of trusting total strangers on forums to respect my privacy.

I have been to a few over the years, but nothing recently, and I likely wouldn't again unless I knew the event was professionally done and discreet. Like others, I wouldn't want to take a chance of being outed. With the new laws in place, who knows what could happen?

Out west, there's not a single one I would trust to attend anymore.

:eyebrows: With the ads and reviews I need no more.

 

[Raging Light]

Then don't go?? What's the point of this poll? Plus you seem overly concerned with the safety of SPs in relation to the perceived abundance of crazy clients when that's clearly not the case.

Hope you get your answers though!

I completely messed-up the poll, VB doesn't allow you fix the poll after you post it. I believe everyone in the GTA does a better job planning meet and greets than we do back west. The problems we have with the one's in Alberta are due to how badly they're mismanaged. We staff members who invite friends and other members who they know have a history of issues with SP's. It's a bit puzzling why they're so stupid. It is what is.

I would be more comfortable considering attending a GTA meet and greet vs. the poorly planned one's we host back in Alberta.

The vast majority of people attending the events are safe. It really only take one really bad person to caused an huge problem. If you invite 225 people to a large event and all 225 are decent people. How do make sure 226th person you invite isn't the one with a chip on his/her shoulder or someone who's hiding a potential issue with an SP?

Does social media really care about the truth? The posts on Dirty and other social media sites rely perception rather than facts. Here's a picture of a married guy hanging out at a bar with a young women. Here's a 2nd pic of an lady from her escort site. It's a married guy hanging out with an escort. People fill in the rest of the blanks themselves.

 

[Chloë.]

That stuff doesn't/hasn't happened here...

From what I've seen anyway.

Also it is a quite a small group of people who usually attend. 15-20 on average...maybe more but very rarely is it over 30-40 people.

Half attendees are female providers, so you essentially meet everyone.

 

[Hiding]

With the last few parties I've attended recently in the past year, there have been measures in place to combat those things but honestly, it's an assumed risk like most things? They have been private events, with addresses only given out to trusted and validated members...
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Chloe, sometimes I feel like I should follow you around TERB and just write "cosign" behind everything you say.

Most events in Toronto are small, invite-only, and extremely well-curated. Many of us have known each other for years in some capacity or another. There's few-no "big" events of 225+ people, and any gentleman caught openly mistreating a woman would not only be checked by every other guy there, he'd land on everyone's blacklist as well. Word gets around.

Certainly, there are always people who will conduct themselves poorly, and it sounds like you've been on hand to see some of the worst. Carefully managed guest lists mitigate that risk.

 

[Raging Light]

That stuff doesn't/hasn't happened here...

From what I've seen anyway.

Also it is a quite a small group of people who usually attend. 15-20 on average...maybe more but very rarely is it over 30-40 people.

Half attendees are female providers, so you essentially meet everyone.

Chloe, it comes down to the fact that you're taking more care in planning your events. Most of the Alberta events are 25- 60 people. Occasionally some have around 90 - or a little over -100 people attending. I was under the impression that your events might be bigger than ours given the population difference.

It sounds like you're being more cautious by keeping the events much smaller and more orginized.

I hear so may bad stories about the gatherings in Alberta. I really wanted to understand whether you were having similar issues. So far, from what you're saying, you're managing these gathering in a completely different manner as we do out in Alberta.

 

[legmann]

if a provider really doesn't want to attend due to safety concerns, she does not have to?

A begrudged individual taking photos of a girl having a drink in a licensed establishment with other people? I'm sure that's quite the exposé...

I just feel like you are creating situations in your head that haven't actually occurred...

Well said. Much ado about nothing.

 

[Chloë.]

Chloe, sometimes I feel like I should follow you around TERB and just write "cosign" behind everything you say.

Most events in Toronto are small, invite-only, and extremely well-curated. Many of us have known each other for years in some capacity or another. There's few-no "big" events of 225+ people, and any gentleman caught openly mistreating a woman would not only be checked by every other guy there, he'd land on everyone's blacklist as well. Word gets around.

Certainly, there are always people who will conduct themselves poorly, and it sounds like you've been on hand to see some of the worst. Carefully managed guest lists mitigate that risk.

Come back on Twitter so I can co-sign everything YOU say darling!

 

[Chloë.]

Chloe, it comes down to the fact that you're taking more care in planning your events. Most of the Alberta events are 25- 60 people. Occasionally some have around 90 - or a little over -100 people attending. I was under the impression that your events might be bigger than ours given the population difference.

It sounds like you're being more cautious by keeping the events much smaller and more orginized.

I hear so may bad stories about the gatherings in Alberta. I really wanted to understand whether you were having similar issues. So far, from what you're saying, you're managing these gathering in a completely different manner as we do out in Alberta.

Yes, believe me you don't have much to worry about. They tend to be discreet and exclusive. Many aren't even widely advertised on the forums.