President Is Dead Wrong About Climate Change: Nobel Prize Winning Scientist

Frankfooter

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By "different," I mean different.

Let's put aside Groggy's idiotic claim that data for 2014 were "years out of date" (he seems to be no better at reading a calendar than at understanding the difference between the lower and upper atmosphere). According to Groggy, the NOAA and HadCRUT4 use the same data and the data points can be transferred from one graph to another.
Your previous charts were all 2012 or earlier.

Here are the recorded data for 2014:

- HadCRUT4 reported the anomaly for 2014 as 0.5 degrees Celsius: http://financialpostbusiness.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/fe0617_climate_c_mf.jpeg?w=620&h=552
You are changing measurement sources. Up to now we've been discussing and have bet on either of NASA or NOAA's data sets, not hadcrut.

- The NOAA's updated data report the anomaly for 2014 was 0.78 degrees Celsius: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201506
And 2015 year to date is 0.83ºC.

I say 0.5 and 0.78 are "different" numbers. Groggy/Franky insists those two numbers are the exact same.
They are different data sets using different weights of different data. You are the one trying to switch the discussion away from NASA and NOAA numbers here, not me. I've been using the same set with constant references to the sources for those numbers, while you come up with dodgy old charts and no sources for any of your numbers.

This becomes easy to test. If you agree with Groggy/Franky that 0.5 and 0.78 are the exact same, then you might have reason to believe his claims that he has found evidence of man-made warming.
Nonsense.
Your attempts to use different data sets in each of your claims only shows that you don't use reputable sources, you never provide any links for your claims at all.

It is totally ridiculous of you to try to link your attempts to confuse datasets with a claim that this invalidates all climate change research.

If you believe that 0.5 and 0.78 are "different" numbers, then you must conclude that everything Groggy/Franky is posting is total horseshit.
No, you must admit that moviefan is full of shit and trying to change datasets, as he tried to weasel out of the bet he knows he is losing. Next thing I would expect him to do would be to try to claim that the bet we made was with hadcrut instead of NASA/NOAA numbers.

This is typical arguing techniques for moviefan.
First he posts dodgy material with no sources.
Then he is exposed.
Next he tries to change the subject by posting another dodgy chart without any references.

Just to prove how full of shit you are, moviefan.
I challenge you to provide the original sources for your hadcrut chart.
Not one that came off of wattsupwiththat, as your previous copies have, since its well known that that site is full of shit.
 

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Nope, you are full of shit.

You'll have to go back and look at one of your favourite graphs, the well known and fully confirmed, 'hockey stick' graph.

The changes we are experiencing due to anthropogenic climate change are unprecedented in modern history.
,....I don't go around posting bull shit graphs,...that you can't read,...and then run away,...that's your style.

,...The changes we are experiencing due to anthropogenic climate change ,.... BUT NOT DUE TO DEFORESTATION,...WOW,...

,...So,...those 2 pointless sentences in your post, are in response to to my post #339,...points #1 thru #3,... if it is,...you lose,...LITTLE BOY.

OH,...almost forgot,...most of THE UNEMPLOYABLES that you like to quote,...are going to be out of a job pretty soon,...but unfortunately won't be charged with fraud.

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Moviefan-2

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They are different data sets using different weights of different data.
Exactly.

The debate in question was about the graphs I posted that show the observed data are nowhere near the CIMP5 predictions for global temperatures. Specifically, we were discussing the chart that ran to 2014 that showed the observed data for HadCRUT4.

You tried to create imaginary "warming" by adding a number from the NOAA data set to the HadCRUT data. They are two completely different data sets -- as you have now acknowledged.

Your claim that the 2015 data support the predictions was total bullshit.
 

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Up to now we've been discussing and have bet on either of NASA or NOAA's data sets, not hadcrut.
More lies.

We have been discussing the HadCRUT numbers for almost an entire month. I first posted the graphs that show the IPCC's predictions were spectacularly wrong (including the HadCRUT4 graph) on July 17:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ng-Scientist&p=5300541&viewfull=1#post5300541

And we never bet on the NOAA's numbers.

In Groggy's world, desperate times call for desperate lies.
 

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Exactly.

The debate in question was about the graphs I posted
Post the chart with links to the original source first.
Any image that comes from wattsupwiththat or any other dodgy lobbyist site must be confirmed before its worth debating.
Just as any of your claims need to be verified by legit sources.

Meanwhile, your claims are all still bullshit.
You lied about the findings of two studies and posted one illegitimate chart you couldn't even read.
 

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More lies.

We have been discussing the HadCRUT numbers for almost an entire month. I first posted the graphs that show the IPCC's predictions were spectacularly wrong (including the HadCRUT4 graph) on July 17:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ng-Scientist&p=5300541&viewfull=1#post5300541
As usual, you are lying.
Here is the bet and the terms of the discussion.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ing-Point%92&p=5243530&viewfull=1#post5243530

You lie more often then fuji.
 

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,....I don't go around posting bull shit graphs,...that you can't read,...and then run away,...that's your style.

,...The changes we are experiencing due to anthropogenic climate change ,.... BUT NOT DUE TO DEFORESTATION,...WOW,...
Is English your first language?

Your posts have the language and comprehension skills of someone with around a grade 6 education.

Once again, you really don't understand the subject, I suggest you read the chapter on deforestation (except we both know you aren't smart enough to be able to do it), and check your claims. They are all covered in detail, and it just makes you look incredibly stupid to keep claiming that the IPCC reports don't cover something this basic.

Read the chapter.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/sres/land_use/index.php?idp=49

And for your continuing education, here's the hockey stick graph complete with an explanation of why it is correct.
https://www.newscientist.com/articl...the-hockey-stick-graph-has-been-proven-wrong/
Including the summary:
In fact, later studies support the key conclusion: the world is warmer now than it has been for at least 1000 years
And also contains this statement:
In fact, independent evidence, from ice cores and sea sediments for instance, suggest the last time the planet approached this degree of warmth was during the interglacial period preceding the last ice age over 100,000 years ago. It might even be hotter now than it has been for at least a million years.
 

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English is not my mother tongue I speak and write three languages! I figure you only know one language. I saw the graph ..it only a theory plus graph have been doctored. Plus North Pole and south Pole ice is increasing. Frankfooter graph cannot explain the middle age min-ice age!
That the proof i need to disproved the global warming theory.

CO2 make up less then 5% of our atmosphere and mankind only contributed i think aprox less the 10% that C02 emission the other 90% is caused by nature examples volcanoes, animal, nature, etc.

It is the sensitivity of CO2 in the atmosphere, not the absolute quantity. How do you know that man-made CO2 doesn't tip the scale when it comes to GW, even if it's a small amount added? (I'm not sure if it's just 10% from us).
 

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We have to revisit these questions with the latest on Mann.

Check out this Twitter feed with quotes from scientists about Mann's work: https://twitter.com/JunkScience?ori...tw_p=embeddedtimeline&tw_w=427448778841260032

The quotes come from Mark Steyn's new book, A Disgrace to the Profession (http://www.steynonline.com/7091/a-disgrace-to-the-profession), and it includes quotes from skeptics and true-blue AGW believers -- including the likes of Keith Briffa and Phil Jones.

It's quite a list of quotes in that Twitter feed but it's definitely worth a read. I'm sure the book will be a great read, as well.

Okay but it's not like Michael Mann isn't outed.
 

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Who care about this nonsense video....IT IS NOT SCIENCE!!! Plus when global depression happens because of the wasted trillions of dollars on wasted on Global warming .. I hope it effect you and your family& childrens and your job security...i hope you become unemployed, homeless & penniless and then i hope you get sick and die !

The science already disproved the global warming theory! IT called the little mini-ice age that occured in the during the middle age.

Fucking pinko left wing kooks.. If were in gaileo time period... Frankfooter and the leftwing kooks would be preaching the earth is flat !

Show me proof !!! NOT theorIes or mathmatical model that is doctored and data massaged and fixed to
To conform your global warming thoery.

SHow me FACTS and PROOF.. THAT IS 100% proofable!


This is what Jean Chrietien said...
A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.


PS Not this bullshit Gobal Warming crap that could not be proven and then they ( LEFTWING Globalwarming freaks) rebranded and then called it as Climate change in order to sell it better!.


Porn Addict, glaciers have been retreating, snow caps on mountain peaks diminishing, and droughts and forest fires have been on the rise for a number of years. I don't need to read a graph or statistics. It's right on TV.

Also, Antarctic land ice is losing. http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm

So is Arctic Ice cap. You mention growth in 2013 but look at the difference between 1980 and 2012. => http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/thick-melt.html An increase in one year doesn't mean we haven't lost ice in the Arctic.

(Why do you quote a famous Liberal like Chretien? He would be in favour of anti-GW policies if still in power, I'm sure.)
 

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Post the chart with links to the original source first.
Try reading the cutline at the bottom. The chart appeared in the National Post and the data cited in the graph came from the Met Office in the U.K. and KMNI Climate Explorer.





Here's the link: http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/the-global-warming-hiatus

Furthermore, the data in the graph are supported by the findings in Chapter 9 of the IPCC's AR5 report released in 2013.

Looking at the period from 1998 to 2012, the IPCC reported that 111 of 114 computer models (or 97 per cent) got it wrong when the predictions are compared with the observed data from HadCRUT4. See page 769: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter09_FINAL.pdf
 
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Okay but it's not like Michael Mann isn't outed.
No doubt, Mann is a total ass clown. But the real issue is bigger than Mann.

The IPCC used Mann's junk research as the basis for its preposterous claim that the warming in the latter part of the 20th century was unprecedented.

Here is a comparison of what the IPCC's chart looked like in its first report in 1990, pre-Mann, and how the chart was radically changed based on Mann's nonsense. Please note that the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than today, even though it was hundreds of years before the Industrial Revolution.




"There was a perceived need to 'prove' that the global average temperature is higher than at any other time ... It became more important than scientific integrity."

- Dr. Petr Chylek, PhD

http://www.steynstore.com/product133.html
 
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Frankfooter read this! This is why Global warming / Climate changes is so full of shit!

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/...for-the-question-is-earth-warming-or-cooling/

An analysis of BEST data for the question:
Is Earth Warming or Cooling? August 11, 2015
Guest essay by Clyde Spencer

The answer to the question is, “Yes!” Those who believe that Earth is going to Hell in a hand basket, because of anthropogenic carbon dioxide, go to extraordinary lengths to convince the public that uninterrupted warming is occurring at an unprecedented rate. One commonly reads something to the effect that the most recent year was the xth warmest year in the last n years (use your personal preferences for x and n), or that the last n years have been the warmest in the last m years. It is common for NOAA to make claims that current temperatures are higher than some previous year by an amount that is of the same order of magnitude as the uncertainty in the temperature of the year being compared to. [For an extended discussion and analysis of the veracity of these kinds of claims, go to this link: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/04/obama-and-the-warmest-year-on-record/ ] I’d like to start off by examining the logical fallacy of the common idea that these pronouncements support the idea of continued warming. They only provide evidence for it currently being warm!

Let’s conduct a simple thought experiment that most can relate to. Imagine that you have a pot of water on the stove at room temperature. You place a thermometer in the water, take a reading, and turn on the heat. We’ll monitor the increase in temperature by taking frequent readings at fixed intervals. Assume that the thermometer is calibrated in tenths of a degree, and we’ll try to read it to the nearest ½ of a tenth. Therefore, we can expect that there will be some random errors in the reported temperature because of observation errors. If the pot is not well stirred, some stratification may occur that will further obscure the true average temperature. We can expect to see a steady, approximately linear increase in temperature until the water is pnearly at the boiling point. The pot is removed from the heat, and readings are continued as before. We can expect that the water in the pot will cool more slowly than it heated, the rate depending on such factors as the surface-to-volume ratio, the room temperature, and the material of which the pot is constructed. In any event, we can expect that the temperature readings will not change much, if any, for the first couple of readings. Subsequent readings may or may not be lower because of the random errors mentioned above. Eventually, we will get a reading that is obviously lower than when we removed the pot from the heat. A subsequent one could be slightly higher because of a reading error. If we were to stop at that point, we could make such statements as, “The last n number of readings are higher than the average of all previous temperatures, which proves that the water is still heating.” Or, “The last n readings are the highest ever recorded;” another classic, for one of the last readings which had a random error, “The probability that the last reading is higher than all other temperatures is 38%.” We know very well that the pot is no longer heating, and it is just sophistry to try to make it appear that it is.

Something I find peculiar about modern climatology is the use of so-called temperature anomalies. While not unheard of in other disciplines, there are usually good reasons, such as for simplifying a Fourier analysis of a time series. One of the issues of using anomalies is that if a published graph is reproduced, and separated from the metadata in the text of the article, then one is at a loss to know what the anomalies mean; they lose their context. Another issue is that the authors are free to choose whatever base period they want, which may not be the same as others, and it makes it difficult to compare similar analyses. The psychological impression conveyed is that (recent) data points above the baseline are extraordinary. Lastly, the use of anomalies tends to influence the subjective impression of the magnitude of changes because very small changes are scaled over the full vertical range of the graph. See Figure 2 below, which shows actual temperatures, for a comparison to the anomalies that you are used to seeing in the literature.

In the recent NOAA paper by Karl et al. (2015), the authors decided to adjust modern ocean buoy temperatures upward to agree with older, problematic, engine-room water-intake temperatures. The decision to adjust high quality data to agree with lower quality data is, at best, unorthodox. The authors did not give a good reason for the decision. As one defender remarked, whether one adds temperatures to the anomalies on the right or subtracts them on the left, the slope stays the same. True, but the result is to have a higher ending-temperature than if the more orthodox approach was taken. Supporters of anthropogenic global warming are then ‘justified’ in claiming an uninterrupted increase in recent temperatures and any claimed pause in warming is an illusion.

I take exception to the practice of conflating Sea Surface Temperatures (SST) with land air temperatures. There are several issues with this practice. While a weak excuse is, there is a strong correlation between SST and nighttime air temperatures, that is hardly justified with modern instrumentation. The biggest problem is that the heat capacity of water is so high that water exhibits strong thermal inertia. That means, warm water influenced by contact with the air will always lag colder air temperatures. Thus, even if Earth were to enter a cooling phase, water would be the last to provide evidence for it. Because the theory behind so-called ‘greenhouse warming’ predicts that the air should heat first (or more properly, cool more slowly), the most sensitive indicator of changes will be found in air temperatures. Using ocean temperatures is analogous to using subsurface land temperatures and averaging them with land air temperatures. At relatively shallow depths in the soil, the diurnal temperature changes are smoothed out and, at greater depths, even the seasonal effects are eliminated. However, we don’t average subsurface ground-temperatures with land air-temperatures! Why should we average SSTs with land air-temperatures? It is a classic example of comparing apples and oranges. SSTs are of interest and provide climate insights, but they should not be averaged with air temperatures!

Lastly, global averages of all temperature readings typically are reported instead of the high and low temperatures. This is important because the highs and lows behave differently and the lows should be a better indicator of the impact of the so-called ‘green house’ effect.

clyde-spencer-fig1

Fig 1.

Figure 1, above, which shows the differences between the high and low temperatures from the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) data, appears to reflect some abrupt transitions in the behaviors of the two temperatures. My interpretation of Figure 1 is that between about 1870 and 1900, neither the high nor the low temperatures were changing systematically. Then, between about 1900 and 1983, the low temperatures were increasing more rapidly than the high temperatures, causing a decline in the differences. This is what I would expect for a ‘greenhouse’ signal. However, since 1983, it appears that the high temperatures have been increasing more rapidly than the lows, resulting in a steep increase in the difference in the temperatures. I don’t believe that this has been reported before and is begging for an explanation since it isn’t something I would expect from carbon dioxide and water vapor alone.

This brings us to the point of my expanded analysis of the BEST temperature data set. Figure 2, below, shows the high and low temperatures for the period of 1870 to mid-2014. The data set starts earlier than 1870, but the uncertainty is so great in the early data that I didn’t feel it contributed much. [Should the reader be interested, there is a graph of land temperature data starting about 1750 at this link: http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/regions/global-land ] The main thing worth noting is that the high temperatures were increasing rapidly in the two decades before my graphs start and the lows were coming down from a high in about 1865. The pastel shading reflects the 95% uncertainty range, which becomes imperceptible by the present day. The green, smooth line is a 6th-order polynomial fit of monthly temperature data that have been smoothed. Rather than attempt any further smoothing of the once-smoothed data, I chose to model the low-frequency response with a polynomial least-squares fit trend-line. This approach to characterizing recent temperature changes is more sophisticated than drawing straight lines through the data, where one is free to choose the start and stop times subjectively; subjective time-periods allow for conscious or unconscious mischief.

clyde-spencer-fig2

Fig. 2.

The 6th-order fit captures nearly 80% of the variance in the high-temperature data. It notably doesn’t do an optimal job of capturing the transient warming events around 1878 and 1902, or the broader warming event of the 1940s. Visually, the 6th-order fit seems to be doing a good job of characterizing the data from about 1950 to the present day, which is important for the question at hand, which is whether we are still experiencing warming. Similarly, the 6th-order fit captures more than 89% of the variance in the low-temperature data; visually, the fit appears superior to that for the high-temperature data. By comparison with a graph generated with the BEST long-term smoothed data, these regression curves are smoother than the 20-year moving average; however, they are similarly shaped. Although, the point of this exercise isn’t to smooth the data.

It is easy to take the first-derivative of a polynomial function and obtain quantitative values for the slope (tangent) of the temperature-curve versus time. That is, one can obtain annual values of the warming rate for every month for both the high and low-temperature global averages.

In order to pick up the last six months of 2014, which are missing from the 12-month smoothed data, I repeated the above analysis with the un-smoothed monthly data. There were no surprises other than the fact that the extrapolation of the last six-months of 2014-slopes for the smoothed, data were nearly identical to the slopes of the un-smoothed monthly data; the differences are trivial. I say that the results are similar for the last 6 months is surprising because all too often when one tries to extrapolate a polynomial fit beyond the actual data, the curve diverges abruptly! The polynomial coefficients are very similar for both the smoothed and un-smoothed data. The only advantage to showing the un-smoothed monthly data would be to emphasize how much noisier it is than the smoothed data. For brevity, I have omitted the additional graph. Polynomial regressions of lower order gave lower coefficients of determination (R2) and, subjectively, are poorer fits visually.

Let me summarize what the slopes tell us about the temperature records with the tables below. I’ve listed the approximate years when the highs and lows had zero slope (no warming), maximum slope (maximum warming/cooling, point of inflection on the curve), and what has been happening most recently. The slopes are in degrees Celsius change per year. Examine Figure 2 to verify what I’m saying.

High Temperatures. Year
In summary, Fig. 2 does not support a claim that 2014 had the highest high or low temperatures in modern times, and the analysis suggests we are currently in a cooling phase, not just a plateau.
 

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Is English your first language?

Your posts have the language and comprehension skills of someone with around a grade 6 education.

Once again, you really don't understand the subject, I suggest you read the chapter on deforestation (except we both know you aren't smart enough to be able to do it), and check your claims. They are all covered in detail, and it just makes you look incredibly stupid to keep claiming that the IPCC reports don't cover something this basic.

Read the chapter.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/sres/land_use/index.php?idp=49

And for your continuing education, here's the hockey stick graph complete with an explanation of why it is correct.
https://www.newscientist.com/articl...the-hockey-stick-graph-has-been-proven-wrong/
Including the summary:


And also contains this statement:

Another useless , not on point or subject, post from the LITTLE BOY who ran away.

You don't have an answer for any of THE UNEMPLOYABLES bull shit,...including the complete opposite claims on whether deforestation contributes to their claim of "global warming".
IPCC states deforestation adds at least 20%,...your other site of UNEMPLOYABLES bull shit, Bloomberg, states that deforestation does NOT contribute to the so called global warming, with an included graph showing a cooling effect.

And we are to take these losers,...including you,...seriously.

If you can't come up with something other than another irrelevant link,...you are still THE LITTLE BOY WHO RAN AWAY.

And as far as your infamous "hockey stick graph",...that has been proven to be a lie,...but you would be very comfortable with that tactic.

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No doubt, Mann is a total ass clown. But the real issue is bigger than Mann.

The IPCC used Mann's junk research as the basis for its preposterous claim that the warming in the latter part of the 20th century was unprecedented.

Here is a comparison of what the IPCC's chart looked like in its first report in 1990, pre-Mann, and how the chart was radically changed based on Mann's nonsense. Please note that the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than today, even though it was hundreds of years before the Industrial Revolution.
More research was done, the chart was updated.
It will be updated again as more and more research is done.
That's how science works, idiot.
 

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Frankfooter read this! This is why Global warming / Climate changes is so full of shit!
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Let’s conduct a simple thought experiment that most can relate to. Imagine that you have a pot of water on the stove at room temperature. You place a thermometer in the water, take a reading, and turn on the heat. We’ll monitor the increase in temperature by taking frequent readings at fixed intervals. Assume that the thermometer is calibrated in tenths of a degree, and we’ll try to read it to the nearest ½ of a tenth. Therefore, we can expect that there will be some random errors in the reported temperature because of observation errors. If the pot is not well stirred, some stratification may occur that will further obscure the true average temperature. We can expect to see a steady, approximately linear increase in temperature until the water is pnearly at the boiling point. The pot is removed from the heat, and readings are continued as before. We can expect that the water in the pot will cool more slowly than it heated, the rate depending on such factors as the surface-to-volume ratio, the room temperature, and the material of which the pot is constructed. In any event, we can expect that the temperature readings will not change much, if any, for the first couple of readings. Subsequent readings may or may not be lower because of the random errors mentioned above. Eventually, we will get a reading that is obviously lower than when we removed the pot from the heat. A subsequent one could be slightly higher because of a reading error. If we were to stop at that point, we could make such statements as, “The last n number of readings are higher than the average of all previous temperatures, which proves that the water is still heating.” Or, “The last n readings are the highest ever recorded;” another classic, for one of the last readings which had a random error, “The probability that the last reading is higher than all other temperatures is 38%.” We know very well that the pot is no longer heating, and it is just sophistry to try to make it appear that it is.
You don't disprove thousands of scientists research and the supporting data with a lame analogy.
Nor can you explain a rise of temperature of approx 1ºC as 'noise' or errors.

That article is total nonsense.
 

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Another useless , not on point or subject, post from the LITTLE BOY who ran away.

You don't have an answer for any of THE UNEMPLOYABLES bull shit,...including the complete opposite claims on whether deforestation contributes to their claim of "global warming".
IPCC states deforestation adds at least 20%,...your other site of UNEMPLOYABLES bull shit, Bloomberg, states that deforestation does NOT contribute to the so called global warming, with an included graph showing a cooling effect.

And we are to take these losers,...including you,...seriously.

If you can't come up with something other than another irrelevant link,...you are still THE LITTLE BOY WHO RAN AWAY.

And as far as your infamous "hockey stick graph",...that has been proven to be a lie,...but you would be very comfortable with that tactic.

FAST
Here's a hint for those of you are incredibly stupid (and for FAST, another hint is that this applies to you):
Deforestation is almost entirely an anthropogenic forcing.
Its not a natural factor.

Until you understand incredibly basic things like that you are doomed to repeat really, really fucking stupid statements over and over again.
You really have no clue how stupid you are, do you?
 

Frankfooter

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Try actually reading the link. There is nothing in there about us betting on "either of NASA's or NOAA's data sets."

This is the second time I have caught you cheating by trying to rewrite the bet to add NOAA's numbers.
From that link:
Ok bets on.
Using that NASA figure of 0.43ºC anomaly for 1995 and waiting for the 2015 NASA anomaly figures to come out.
Later on there was discussion over whether the bet was on NOAA or NASA numbers, which I can't be bother to find for you.
Both were discussed and never were the hadcrut numbers used as the metric.

You were caught lying again.
 

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More research was done, the chart was updated.
It will be updated again as more and more research is done.
That's how science works, idiot.
The so-called research was dubious and was not sufficient to warrant changes to the graph. Indeed, it was subsequently found to be horribly flawed. Yet the IPCC has stuck with its baseless conclusions about thousands of years of history.

That is not how real science works.


 
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