Who are you go to vote for ??
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Notice the NDP stance on child pornography in that little blurp. Why would I support a party that would allow child porn for "artistic purposes"?
And either way there is too much I disagree with on other issues for me to consider them or the Libs at this time.
Perhaps you can show me on the official NDP website where they will repeal it? That it is part of their platform? Because I still think the militant feminist types love this hitting us guys and would scream if they tried to.
With a hint of red, this one is a real fire cracker....Let me guess, you had a thing for Condaleza Rice too.
Anybody but Harper.
How anyone could vote for that idiot (especially living in Ontario) is beyond me. I can't stand him for a pile of reasons.
How anyone could vote for that idiot (especially living in Ontario) is beyond me. I can't stand him for a pile of reasons.
If not C-36, C-51 and his handling of the Senate. (I'm also sickened by the bullshit perks he is trying to buy votes with, lately).
It's not just C-36, BUT that legislation and other reasons gives me a picture of what kind of agenda Harper really has for Canadians.
I've always been blue but I might go red or orange, as a protest vote. To negate someone else's vote of Harper because even though he may win, I don't want him to win by any wider margin. That's my strategy.
Sums up my position very eloquently. Liberals, Conservatives, whatever ... I hate majority governments. They get an arrogant attitude towards their voters and have 4 years to wreak unaccountable havoc before a year of softening voters with tax incentives, rebates, funding popular expensive regional programs, etc. The cost of an election with vote buying and the millions donated to parties with the tax payer on the hook for 50% write off ... it staggers the imagination.
If there was a minority Gov't in power when Bill C-36 was conceived last year, it would not have been as draconian and high-handed. Debate and compromise would have to have been made with the Liberals and NDP. Who know, maybe activity between consenting adults would have legalized.
That's making the assumption that there is a "right wing agenda" only to this legislation. Do you really think the Nordic model was created by conservative thinkers? It was designed to lower demand by going after the purchaser. Period.
I don't think for a minute the NDP would have done any less. There are elements to the party that would have loved to shame men for this. Hence so little outcry over this and lipservice from the opposition benches.
Show me on an official site of the NDP or the Liberal Party they would retract the law and I'll give a mea culpa. Otherwise c-36 is not a baseline.
I have many fundimental issues with the NDP policies and Trudeau is a joke. I'm not some ra ra guy over the Tories but I don't see a better alternative at this site point.
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Prostitution Bill C-36 passes second reading vote
By Deborah Gyapong, Canadian Catholic News
June 16, 2014
OTTAWA - After only five hours of debate, Bill C-36, the federal government's new prostitution bill passed second reading June 16 by a 139-117 vote.
The bill drew no support from the New Democratic, Liberal or Green parties.
Opposition parties expressed dismay at the time allocation imposed on the debate, arguing the vote was rushed. But Justice Minister Peter MacKay defended the decision, noting the importance of having a new law in place by the end of the year the Supreme Court of Canada had given in which the existing prostitution laws would remain in effect after being struck down as unconstitutional last December.
We can go over and over the facts but ideology driven voters like Butler will never see past the right wing agenda. The fact Liberals and NDP Senators fought hard to stop the bill and were stifled is totally ignored by right wing Terb voters.
Butler, it was the Conservatives that didn't pay attention to sex workers,
It was the Conservatives that didn't pay attention to lawyers,
it was a Conservative Justice Minister that called us all perverts and made us criminals with a stroke of a Conservative pen and hopefully now it will be the Conservatives/Reform Party of Canada that will be sent packing.
As an example the Liberals were against the GST and free trade and campaigned on that.
Look what happened.
The opposition will usually oppose all legislation and or try to modify it. That's what they are their for. It means nothing. I stand by my contention they would have had to do the exact same thing if they were in power.
Show me official policy any opposition will repeal it. Other than that they will let it stand. And that means using c-36 as the baseline for your vote is moot.
If you oppose them for other legit reasons fine. But c-36? There are far greater reasons to vote for anyone than the 10 minutes you spend getting your dick wet.
How about this. Discuss the NDP in relation to the Clarity Act, the Sherbrook Declaration.
Discuss about the east/west pipeline.
Discuss trade agreements.
Discuss Canada's military role in the world.
Discuss economy management.
Discuss universal childcare.
Discuss TfSA reversal, Pension reform, income splitting.
Discuss what really matters, not your personal affront that you feel persecuted. I didn't see you screaming like this when the ladies were on the short end of the legal stick.
Ideology? At least mine is issue driven, and not by my libido.
What really matters? You know what matters to me? My freedom. The Conservatives have made many otherwise law-abiding citizens here into criminals. We could go to jail for having sex. I repeat that: we could go to jail for having sex with consenting adults. The fact that this hasn't happened thus far, to my knowledge, is in spite of the Conservatives, not because they created a good law. This is unforgivable.
As much as I like having a higher TFSA limit, for example, I'd much rather not go to jail. That money in your TFSA is of no use if you're incarcerated.
Like I said. Thinking with the little head and not the big one. The downfall of so many men.
Cripes it's not like everyone hasn't easily circumvented this law. It's just the next step to legalization. Gay marriage went through it. Other minorities have as well. It will be struck down and hopefully that will be that.
In the mean time if it's a choice between what I consider a healthy economy, good foreign policy and keeping money in my pocket vs having to be a big more careful in my pooning (and as I've gone strictly with agencies and good reliable indies it's really not an issue) I'll go with the former rather than irrationally punish a gov't and put in what I consider to be a worse alternative.
As for your last two issues, I don't have any children and I do enjoy taking advantage of TFSA's and income splitting but all these perks in gains would be useless if we were arrested for having consensual sex. All it takes is one Police Chief ala Thomas Dart or a Premier who would stand by the Reformers and enforce C36 as intended by your hero's to literally strip us all of any gains received through any tax income tools we could use to our favor.
For Quebec it isn't just about actual separation but the damage to the economy that occurs when the thought comes up. And a weak federal gov't on the subject emboldens them to come out. I prefer a situation where the bar is set higher to prevent it's discussion in the first place.
Hey the military is more than staring down Putin. It's continued vigilance again the likes of ISIL. Of meeting our Nato commitments. Et al. The NDP is much more isolationist foreign policy wise. And would IMO damage relations with the US with some of the rhetoric bound to come out of their mouths.
The east/west pipeline has nothing to do with Obama. That's Keystone. This is about a pipeline solely across Canada. And Munclair is talking English out of one side of his mouth and French out the other on this issue. And won't make policy on it.
The trade agreement for TPP may have not been concluded but it's still in the works. The NDP favor tariffs and trade restrictions. Do you really think that will help create jobs? We did get a euro trade agreement and I believe better trade with individual partners in Asia. Sounds like the PM has done a good job on this but obviously it's not his decision alone.
The parties would take away the gains of the TfSA and increase your taxes to pay for other people's children's care. I'm good for paying for schooling but not Baby sitting.
And your final statement, proves once again you are thinking first of your cock and the rest is dismissed as unimportant.
Come back when you can actually discuss the issues that are important.
