Why are women ALWAYS the victim??
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Not much- just she jostled him first, she kneed him first, she threatened him first and she punched him first
Other than that- no skewing at all
Actually, he jostled her first (she was at the bar first) and continued to push up against her; he put his hands on her first (by grabbing her well before she kneed him or punched him - and yes, I saw her "clenched" fist); and I said he punched her to end their encounter (I didn't say he struck her first.) I've re-watched the video a few times.
I have a feeling that she's probably a drunk, trashy girl. But that doesn't excuse a large man escalating the situation by grabbing a "woman" to start the physical altercation and then punching her hard in the face when she barely made significant contact.
Guess I'm just old school gentlemanly that way.
Grabbing someones arm when they make a fist and gesture like they are gonna punch you will be seen as a reasonable defensive move by any sane person. When he did that, he could have clocked her if he had any intentions of harm, instead she stuck when he was not making any threatening gesture other then restraining her.
1 she goes up to bar
2 immediately turns around to start talking to guy
3 he starts to get closer to bar and she moves her body (hips) so he has less space (watch as he uses his hands to grab underside of bar. He is being moved over by her hips)
4 he gets in then she puts her left arm up on his chest and makes a fist in right hand (off camera because fist is already formed when we see her right arm/hand in camera view)
5 she is obviously arguing with him
6 he holds her right fisted hand
7 she lifts her knee/leg up to his groin level, holds, then pushes knee into his body
8 she punches with left hand
9 he punches her back and leaves out of sight of camera
2 immediately turns around to start talking to guy
3 he starts to get closer to bar and she moves her body (hips) so he has less space (watch as he uses his hands to grab underside of bar. He is being moved over by her hips)
4 he gets in then she puts her left arm up on his chest and makes a fist in right hand (off camera because fist is already formed when we see her right arm/hand in camera view)
5 she is obviously arguing with him
6 he holds her right fisted hand
7 she lifts her knee/leg up to his groin level, holds, then pushes knee into his body
8 she punches with left hand
9 he punches her back and leaves out of sight of camera
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Is "jostling" a crime? I'm guessing what you mean by "old school" just means old because in the popular bar scene, you are "jostled" all night long just standing in place or trying to move. They're packed like sardines in there. I'm guessing you simply don't visit these establishments full of "kids" but that's the norm and if you don't want to be "jostled" your best bet is to go at happy hour. AND you overlook that he grabs her hand to avoid letting her take a swing at him, a rather important fact you "missed". Or do you think the clenched fist is because she has muscular dystrophy? But again, I guess no skewing at all exists in your summary.
She made the first body to body contact. She used her body to push him over and block what was originally enough space for his slim trim body to fit into. She made that space smaller and decided to make a fist with right hand and put left arm up on his chest. Actually it seems she was the one who made all the aggressive moves. And she made them first
Jostling in a crowded bar is the norm and is usually handled better with an excuse me, sorry or here just squeeze in beside me. Only rudeness dictates that you use your body to block access for another person. And aggression is shown with a clenched fist and arm on a chest
The guy should get off with a warning. And please everyone here tell me they never tried to drink at the bar before they were of legal age
Jostling in a crowded bar is the norm and is usually handled better with an excuse me, sorry or here just squeeze in beside me. Only rudeness dictates that you use your body to block access for another person. And aggression is shown with a clenched fist and arm on a chest
The guy should get off with a warning. And please everyone here tell me they never tried to drink at the bar before they were of legal age
Re-read what I wrote. I wrote about the clenched fist. At no point did I even defend the woman, other than to say she was at the bar first. Even if I did, so what? Why is a guy escalating a confrontation to the point where it gets physical with a "woman"? That's what I mean by old school.
A "man" would try to defuse the situation, apologize for bumping, make a joke, give a compliment. And if he was unsuccessful doing that, he would walk away knowing that he was better than getting into a confrontation with a mouthy trashy girl, not stay in that kind of close proximity mouthing off and definitely not getting up in her face and grabbing her.
He's a (potential) star scholarship QB of a big-time college program. Why is he wasting his time fighting with a trashy girl in a bar?
But the way she was, by the time he made the decision (and there wasn't much time as she started immediately with him) to turn around and walk away she would punched him in the back of the head. Either way it was a lose-lose situation for him
'Gentlemen' (old school, old fashioned) don't have the same life-long experiences that modern males have had. Not only do they have to look out for the regular ego-driven conflicts with other males but they have to also deal with it coming from girls. It's a different time and needs different protocols
Typical ignorant statements coming from you !!! He was clearly the aggressor, did you see the swing he took at her. And then like a chicken shit he disappeared.
He got everything that was coming to him. His ruthless action was not called for period !!!!!!! Any man who hits a woman this way, can never be a real Man.
I was wondering where you were Titty, were you down there comforting her?
Titty, a girl could knock you unconscious and take a shit on your face and you would defend her.lol
No, I missed the swing he took at her, I must have skipped over that part.:frusty:
I never thought the only person looking at this with any logic would be female, good job.
Coming from a man who's never hit a woman in my life, I still call bullshit on this regressive thinking. I can't stand this "no real man would hit a woman" crap from people who have probably never been in such a situation where a woman just shouted racial slurs at them, kicked them, then punched them in the face, no matter how light. How much punishment must a man endure before you'd still think he's a man for defending himself?
But then, maybe my POV is because I see women as equal. That includes equally responsible for getting themselves in shit. Throughout the confrontation, she was clearly the aggressor. Until the end. His level of response was clearly over the top. But she bears a lot of responsibility for what happened. Just apparently not legally.
