Leafs can go after Eberle, Hall, RNH. And Let's see if that crazy Edmonton owner is willing to shell out $112 million to Conner McDavid.
The Kessel era is over !!!
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The only problem is is that dion's not that good, it's not like he was underachieving under a regime that was smothering his talents, he's just an average defenseman.
excellent trade for Kessel. Last season he quit on the team and is a cancer to the young players on the team. Good he's gone!!!!
as for McDavid, I see some leaf fans are still crying that leafs should have gotten McDavid in the lotto. Get over it!
as for McDavid, I see some leaf fans are still crying that leafs should have gotten McDavid in the lotto. Get over it!
That was a fair assumption. They made the trade at the moment of absolute lowest value, fresh off of the debacle that was the second half of last season. It would have been entirely reasonable to gamble that Kessel might get a good run going at some point during the first half of next season. at which point he would have been worth somewhat more.
There is something to be said for clearing out as much of last seasons roster as soon as possible with the purge for it's own sake taking priority over the value received in return. Under those circumstances this deal would have been just fine. However I don't think the housecleaning has been thorough enough to meet those conditions.
The real fail was in not starting the teardown in middle of last season in stead of clinging to the fantasy of making the playoffs.
They didn't get "hammered" on anything. Any time you acquire a player and he scores a Point-per-Game for three seasons straight it's not a catastrophic trade.
I'd say the Bruins got hammered worse than the Leafs in the end because, they don't have Seguin or Hamilton anymore and as of today all they got in their place is a third line winger and a couple of draftees who may or may not amount to NHL caliber.
As for the Seguin & Hamilton, that makes the trade look bad now, but it's far from a sure thing that those players would have reached anywhere near their potential had they been drafted by the Leads and come through this organization. NOBODY has come up through the system and played their best hockey here in the last 30 years.
Now I would never have made the original acquisition of Kessel because I didn't feel he was the right player or personality type for this team, nor was he a good fit for the fan and media environment of Toronto.
There are case studies in NHL history where a Kessel-type player is successfully integrated into a winning team - but the Leafs did not resemble any of those rare cases.
Trading those picks was the right thing to do at that point in time. Trading them for Kessel was an opportunity lost. But despite that it was not a historic fleecing as some would portray it.
Free at last thank god almighty we are free at last
Kessel has talent but he is a cancer and will ruin the young players. He plays one way hockey and his so dour and down all the time that you think he might cry.
He may help the pens and since they have a better team his faults will be covered up. Unfortunately for him his lack of conditioning or care for his body will shorten his career.
This was a great step forward on the rebuild
Kessel has talent but he is a cancer and will ruin the young players. He plays one way hockey and his so dour and down all the time that you think he might cry.
He may help the pens and since they have a better team his faults will be covered up. Unfortunately for him his lack of conditioning or care for his body will shorten his career.
This was a great step forward on the rebuild
If you look at their draft histories JFJ comes out looking better than Brain Burke. He drafted Rask, Stralman, Komarov, Gunnarsson and Reimer. It's unfortunate that he was under the crushing thumb of the omnipotent Richard Peddie - did you know that Peddie invented ice? Burke drafted Kadri, Granberg, Biggs and Percy.
Never knew what Burke meant by truculence? He wanted a team with attitude but trades for Kessel and Jon Michael Liles.
Never knew what Burke meant by truculence? He wanted a team with attitude but trades for Kessel and Jon Michael Liles.
Kessel was minus 79 (minus 34 in 2014-15) during his tenure in Toronto.Question: If the Pens go deep in the playoffs, can Phil handle the extra workload of those extra games?
You can't just give a guy a 8 year contract ( at 8 million dollars ) cause you are scared your going to lose him in Free Agency or hoping the Cap will go up and up ... You give those type of contract for all the right reason ... You have to look at the character of a player also cause really when you give those type of dollars and terms the motivation has to come within cause really he is set for life finically no matter what he does on the ice ..
Did you hurt yourself patting yourself on the back?
Where did you get your info from " Babcock only took the job with a firm promise that he would be Traded." In fact Babcock wanted to be the coach that changed Kessels attitude and make him a better player. My source is someone close to Babcock, so your wrong there pal, sorry to deflate your ego
Kessel
2009-10 22 TOR NHL 70 30 25 55 -8 21 22 8 0 5 17 8 0 297 10.1 1368 19:33
2010-11 23 TOR NHL 82 32 32 64 -20 24 19 12 1 6 21 11 0 325 9.8 1611 19:39 Byng-39
2011-12 24 TOR NHL 82 37 45 82 -10 20 27 10 0 6 32 13 0 295 12.5 1645 20:03 AS-18,AS-5,Byng-16
2012-13 25 TOR NHL 48 20 32 52 -3 18 14 6 0 4 17 15 0 161 12.4 951 19:49 AS-4,Byng-18
2013-14 26 TOR NHL 82 37 43 80 -4 27 29 8 0 6 31 12 0 305 12.1 1695 20:40 AS-3
2014-15 27 TOR NHL 82 25 36 61 -34 30 17 8 0 4 19 17 0 280 8.9 1541 18:48
Total: TOR NHL 446 181 213 394 -79 140 128 52 1 31 137 76 0 1663 10.9 8810 19:45
Seguin
2010-2011Bruins 74 11 11 22 -4 18 1 0 0 131 8.4
2011-2012 Bruins 81 29 38 67 34 30 5 0 7 242 12.0
2012-2013 Bruins 48 16 16 32 23 16 4 0 2 161 9.9
2012-2013 EHC Biel-Bienne-Swiss 29 25 15 40 24
2013-2014 Stars 80 37 47 84 16 18 11 0 8 294 12.6
2014-2015 Stars 71 37 40 77 -1 20 13 0 5 280 13.2
NHL TOTALS 354 130 152 282 68 102 34 0 22 1,108 11.7
Wrong Again!!!!!!!!
But we should all remember, you know everything!!!!!
On A more serious note yes I was one of the people that thought, in the beginning that it was a good trade, however after last year I can say with all honesty, GOOD RIDDANCE.
I can't stand athletes that make millions of dollars and give up when things start going south for the team and them. (Carter and now kessel).
It tells you how much he was dislike, they gave him up for a bag of pucks, a roll of tape and a broken GPS (so he won't find his way back to the ACC.)
I can't stand athletes that make millions of dollars and give up when things start going south for the team and them. (Carter and now kessel).
It tells you how much he was dislike, they gave him up for a bag of pucks, a roll of tape and a broken GPS (so he won't find his way back to the ACC.)
1. Don't shoot the messenger. A TSN analyst said that Babcock wanted him out before he started.. It was on the trade show yesterday. But hey you know somebody who is probably a low level desk worker at MLSE and think he knows it all.
2. Since your comparing points of Kessel as 22 years old vs that of an 18 year old lets do the same moving forward. I wonder who will score more points next year. seguin and Hamilton or spaling, kapanen and Harrington. I wonder?
Ask people around the NHL and they would all say Seguin was better in 2015, almost all would say he was better in 2014, the majority would say he was better in 2012. Kessel was better in a short season in 2013, and better when Seguin was an year old rookie.
The points are now advantage Seguin and he has more of complete game, plus he was better 3 of the past 5 seasons.
And we have not even considered the other part, Dougie Hamilton, who ia a good D already and potentially an all star. And moving forward the gap is even wider.
1. The Leafs got fleeced. Whether the Bruins did as well subsequently is irrelevant. As an aside its awesome that the Bruins totally F'd up what was gifted to them. The management team of Bergeron, chara and Neely force players out they don't like. Working well for them.
2. How could it possibly be the right trade at the time? The Leafshad limited talent when they traded for Kessel. You knew the first rounders we're going to be 2 very high picks. The trade would make sense if you were a near playoff team but they were not. It's way too big a gamble. That was my assessment before I even knew it would be Seguin and Hamilton. Only a Leafs homer (and Burke) would see such a team with Kessel as a playoff level team.
That move was also done to please MLSE who are all about accelerated retools or rebuilds.
Now Leafs fans should be happy,,, MLSE seems to finally have accepted the proper building of a team. You should be excited.
And anybody who wants to label me a hater who only criticized Kessel because he was a leaf. No deal. I have been adamant that Keasel was the problem of late and moving forward.
They won the deal today... Addition by subtraction and they got some assets. unlike the first Kessel trade this deal fits into where they are at in the Feanchise Success Cycle. Developing.
They seem to have better scouts, more resources in development, and a commitment to rebuilding, and a great coach long term. seems like the Leafs have done a better job with the infrastructure around the players. And now they move forward. It will not happen overnight, but they will have plenty of cap room in 2-3 years when they are ready to take that next step. If I was a Leaf fan I would be happy.
Managing a team like they have in the Kessel Era was 1967 Forever type building. Now it's different.
They won the deal today... Addition by subtraction and they got some assets. unlike the first Kessel trade this deal fits into where they are at in the Feanchise Success Cycle. Developing.
They seem to have better scouts, more resources in development, and a commitment to rebuilding, and a great coach long term. seems like the Leafs have done a better job with the infrastructure around the players. And now they move forward. It will not happen overnight, but they will have plenty of cap room in 2-3 years when they are ready to take that next step. If I was a Leaf fan I would be happy.
Managing a team like they have in the Kessel Era was 1967 Forever type building. Now it's different.
I was reluctantly okay with the deal when Seguin was just good. Now that he's a star and Hamilton looks to be a star, it's a disaster.
You don't trade unprotected picks when you suck. Burke was too damn proud or too buddy buddy with Chiarelli so no surprise the 2010 1st turned into 2nd overall.
And by the way, the 2016 1st from Pittsburgh is lottery protected.
You don't trade unprotected picks when you suck. Burke was too damn proud or too buddy buddy with Chiarelli so no surprise the 2010 1st turned into 2nd overall.
And by the way, the 2016 1st from Pittsburgh is lottery protected.
Lottery protected.
Does that mean the Leafs can't claim the pick as a top 5 when they bottom out?
Does that mean the Leafs can't claim the pick as a top 5 when they bottom out?
