New stealth fighter is dead meat in an air battle
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Is that what fucks it up (the VTOL)?
I thought that due to the VTOL directional exhaust, that it could perform maneuvers that only an F-16 can dream of (like redirecting air flow and braking quicker or pivoting in motion so that it can shoot up or down at it's target without flying around).
LOL...now that is funny
The Avro Arrow was an engineering marvel, way, way ahead of it's time, we all know the story, unfortunately, due to many political/economic reasons, Canada, has become an 'Americanized' cesspool of democratic geo-political behavior that now cannot be changed.
We ARE now "Pavlov's Dog", in military/political terms, to the Americans, just ring the bell, and we salivate to the American drum. The optimistic part, if you can call it that, is we are still under their military umbrella, and, no matter how we feel, is not really a bad thing.
The sad part is we have lost the opportunity to make our own decisions on military hardware without their 'approval'?
Kinda like they are our "King" and we have to submit......says a lot, but the nice thing is we do know how to prevail...just need the right PM to do that..........which may be a loooooong way off.
Hopefully, someone might take a stand, but short term, I doubt it.
GWB
That was with the Harrier, which used ducts for VTOL, this one uses a lift fan which can only be deployed at low speed. The most maneuverable fighters are now made by the Russians probably the SU35 or PAKFA are the most maneuverable. The VTOL is a single variant being used by the Marines and British. I am not sure if that is what fucked it up, but there are some huge compromises in the design that were required. Its the reason why it is a short stubby plane (and slow).
Canada can definitely use Maritime patrol and SAR aircraft, better ones. For example Canada should buy the Japanese flying boats. 4-5 of these amazing planes would allow Canada to cover the entire coastline for SAR as well as allowing rescues faarrrrr out to sea beyond the reach of helos. We could also arm them with JDAMs for naval strike as the new ones can hit moving targets. Canada could also use ground support planes for when it sends troops into combat. I would add capability for the C130s or C17 to drop SDBs, this would be an amazing capability if the troops need air support.
The stealth fighter design compromises it abilities to perform in the air, It is good at stealth but not at dogfights. Once it engages in a air to air dogfight. Its stealth capabilities are useless. As far as buying military equipment, you have to buy at the NATO ( USA ) PX. None of this buying from the Japanese because it is better or suits out needs.
I think on the whole the idea is, this plane will have to fight using missiles at BVR and it is premised on seeing the enemy before they see you. The problem is, when rules of engagement require visual confirmation, and they confirm it is a hostile SU-35.. that is big trouble Also the Russians are investing heavily in infrared detection, and making great strides as well as more advanced radars that are gradually stripping away STEALTH.
It's unclear how the next generation air combat will look like. One thing we do know is that stealth aircraft should not engage in close air combat. Such activity deprives the system of all its advantages. The idea is to see enemy first and to destroy him before he has a chance to react. Clearly, both f22 and 35 have that capability.
Well we did buy Helos from the Europeans, and German Leopard tanks. I think a specialized plane like the Shinmaywa could be justfied. The plane can land in 3m waves and take off in 280,m and has a range of 4500 km. Really incredible. Even 2 units could probably cover all of Canada. The Great Lakes and St. Lawrence should be covered by a couple and our coast by 4-5.
http://www.shinmaywa.co.jp/aircraft/english/us2/
We have to spread it out a bit, but we all know that Uncle Sam will get the biggest slice of the pie. We also have to buy what is in their store, and do as they say. Remember the Avro Arrow? We had to play the game of Uncle Sam sais and dismantle the the most advanced jet fighter of the time and cut the prototype up because they did not want a bunch of back water beaver skinners to out do them.
Are you referring to actual RADAR or infra-red technology? If stealth planes employ radar absorbing material or shapes, how can radar waves improve?
lol They (government) doesn't care.
With the lobbying and those flipping the bill (taxpayers) it's just a way to fuck people over through misspent tax dollars.
The only winners are Boeing, Lockheed.........................................and oh yeah, China apparently won through spying and possibly compromising the whole program. :thumb:
With the lobbying and those flipping the bill (taxpayers) it's just a way to fuck people over through misspent tax dollars.
The only winners are Boeing, Lockheed.........................................and oh yeah, China apparently won through spying and possibly compromising the whole program. :thumb:
Different frequencies, different wavelengths, different pulse and power variations. Then there is the hardware. ASEA radar is the latest technology to deliver and collect the radar waves. Then behind it you have the signal processing technology. All constantly evolving.
Alrighty nottyboi.
BTW, what about Phased-Array Radar? At one time, it was banned in Arms Reduction Treaties. Has that become obsolete now, or is there any merit to that radar technology?
