Do you mean the cartoonists or the shooters?The First Amendment was created precisely for such an occasion. I'm glad there still are people willing to exercise it.
Do you mean the cartoonists or the shooters?The First Amendment was created precisely for such an occasion. I'm glad there still are people willing to exercise it.
Geller is a blowhard who I've seen on Fox a few times. But she can't be all bad can she - I mean she has been anointed Public Enemy #1 by the likes of the Southern Poverty Law Center, Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and Media Matters.I don't care how vile she may or may not be. As a matter of fact, I did not know she existed until this incident. But even if she was a Nazi or a Commie or Muslim freak, I would still support her right to free speech. As an aside, she seems to be a prudent person. Judging by the state of the terrorists car, she made sure she had enough hardware to make the contest fairly one sided.
She supports Breivik, the lunatic who killed all those kids in Norway. You think "she can't be all bad"?Geller is a blowhard who I've seen on Fox a few times. But she can't be all bad can she - I mean she has been anointed Public Enemy #1 by the likes of the Southern Poverty Law Center, Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and Media Matters.
To which as to the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution one can only say so what.Pamella Geller, the organiser of the event, is a repulsively vile racist fuck. Seriously, she's such an extremist kook she makes Ann Coulter look downright reasonable. Geller is a publicity vampire and is, for a certainty, downright fucking GLEEFUL that a couple of moron "terrorists" took the bait and people died. If she is the reason the First Amendment was created, then we are all well and truly fucked. Fiddlin' while Rome burns.
do you support christian terrorists who exercise their free speech by giving out the addresses of abortion doctors online, in hopes of some nut visiting the said doctor and killing them or doing them harm?To which as to the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution one can only say so what.
Are you actually arguing that the First Amendment - Political Free Speech, should only apply to pleasant speech about which everyone agrees?
Are you attempting to argue that doing something that someone finds deeply offensive justifies a murderous response?
Or are you actually arguing that holding the drawing contest was unwise.
No I don't support them. But if Courts in those states have found that this constitutes protected speech. . . .do you support christian terrorists who exercise their free speech by giving out the addresses of abortion doctors online, in hopes of some nut visiting the said doctor and killing them or doing them harm?
are you sure?,...Brevik killed more than those two terroristsNo I don't support them. But if Courts in those states have found that this constitutes protected speech. . . .
I would also say that they are lousy excuses for Christians, just as more Muslim Imams are now speaking out saying that terrorists are not good Muslims.
I would also say that we do not seem to have a growing problem with Christian Terrorism, we certainly do with Islamic Terrorism. Indeed BBC International Radio had a program yesterday which largely dealt with Canada and Internet radicalization - the National War Memorial murder, the ISIS recruits from Alberta etc. . . .
Here I thought that Anders Breivik had a political manifesto, not that he said I belong to a major Christian Denomination which holds that. . . . . and hence I've gone on this rampage.are you sure?,...Brevik killed more than those two terrorists
Are we speaking legal consequences, public opinion, or principles of a society? Because they're very different things.Obviously the Muslims Extremists in question were wrong to do what they did.
But, as Larry Wilmore said on his program last night, is it impossible for two groups of people to be wrong at the same time?
If a bunch of skinheads were marching down the street declaring all Jews are scum, and a bunch of psycho Jews with guns decided that the skinheads should all die, I wouldn't at all side with the psycho Jews..
Having said that, It still wouldn't make the message of hate, that the skinheads (or in this case the "Draw cartoons of the Islamic Prophet Mohammed" contestants) were spreading, any less repugnant..
False equivalency. Again, if Christina extemists were trying to kill the creator of Piss Christ or the South Park guys for making Book Of Mormon, you'd have a point. The equivalent of the Christian lunatics who kill abortion doctors would be more along the lines of Muslims honor killings, which happen.so the murder of abortion doctors by crazy christians is not violent or considered terrorism?...just lone wolf nutjob?..rigggghhhttt.... go to some websites and search the crazy shit the anti-abortion folks... and that's not even the worse... there's also stormfront.org .. alot of those crazy fucks who shoot dozens of ppl for no reason, are usually members of sites like this..
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...ks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men
Some people are still dragging out the dead body of Timothy McVeigh as an example of Christian terrorism except they conveniently "forget" he wasn't religious and his terror act wasn't motivated by Christianity and the Bible.I would also say that we do not seem to have a growing problem with Christian Terrorism,
McVeigh was a lover of the "Turner Diaries" (racist white power book) which is a book the group Christian Identity Movement uses as a chief gulideline... he was a fanSome people are still dragging out the dead body of Timothy McVeigh as an example of Christian terrorism except they conveniently "forget" he wasn't religious and his terror act wasn't motivated by Christianity and the Bible.
you're comparing apples to apples...False equivalency. Again, if Christina extemists were trying to kill the creator of Piss Christ or the South Park guys for making Book Of Mormon, you'd have a point. The equivalent of the Christian lunatics who kill abortion doctors would be more along the lines of Muslims honor killings, which happen.
Nobody is saying Christians are lilly-pure, Carling. Nobody is lilly-pure. But when you get down to it, Muslims are more crazy. They're more willing to kill. They put up a bigger body count in terribly incompetent ways. What's scary about Muslim extremists is that they're so intent on killing and they're so terribly, terribly incompetent at it. They're angry Keystone Kops.
They're losers. Whose very loser-dom doesn't make them less frightening: it makes them scarier.
You too? Where the fuck did I say that, and why the fuck do people seem to want to put words in my mouth? Jesus fucking Christ, have you ever read anything I've written? Do you REALLY think I would maintain that freedom of speech only applies to PLEASANT and agreeable speech? Me?To which as to the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution one can only say so what.
Are you actually arguing that the First Amendment - Political Free Speech, should only apply to pleasant speech about which everyone agrees?
Are you attempting to argue that doing something that someone finds deeply offensive justifies a murderous response?
Actually, I was saying Pamela Geller is an evil cunt. But yeah. It was unwise. Absolutely protected free speech, not even a molecule of debate on that one, but fucking stupid. Or to quote a resident of the town where it happened:Or are you actually arguing that holding the drawing contest was unwise.
Sums it up beautifully, really.Garland resident Mary Ehlenfeldt said, "So some lady wants to be stupid and say, ‘I’m going to show everybody what hate is.’ That is what our Constitution says she has a right to do."
LegalYou too? Where the fuck did I say that, and why the fuck do people seem to want to put words in my mouth? Jesus fucking Christ, have you ever read anything I've written? Do you REALLY think I would maintain that freedom of speech only applies to PLEASANT and agreeable speech? Me?
Actually, I was saying Pamela Geller is an evil cunt. But yeah. It was unwise. Absolutely protected free speech, not even a molecule of debate on that one, but fucking stupid. Or to quote a resident of the town where it happened:
Sums it up beautifully, really.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.ca/2015/05/pamela-gellers-dream-come-true.html
If only the Americans would AMEND their constitution so these people would just KNOW they could say whatever they wanted... Oh wait.. It's called the FIRST AMENDMENT making this whole disgusting exercise of theirs little more than a show of solidarity against ALL MUSLIMS who find the depiction of their Prophet Mohammed to be insulting...Were they saying something, doing something, that maybe, just maybe, needed to be done?
And again many people found "Piss Christ" deeply offensive, and found "The Last Temptation of Christ" and "The Life of Brian" likewise to be insulting, but I don't recall anyone attempting to murder those behind the above.If only the Americans would AMEND their constitution so these people would just KNOW they could say whatever they wanted... Oh wait.. It's called the FIRST AMENDMENT making this whole disgusting exercise of theirs little more than a show of solidarity against ALL MUSLIMS who find the depiction of their Prophet Mohammed to be insulting...
Pretty much says it all,...again,...doesn't it,...!!!And again many people found "Piss Christ" deeply offensive, and found "The Last Temptation of Christ" and "The Life of Brian" likewise to be insulting, but I don't recall anyone attempting to murder those behind the above.