Those were the days eh Tiberius.
I chose the Delta88 over the Grand National, a good investment. After all the restoration work the car eventually paid for itself. Then I went VW.
Anybody remember the Buick Grand National?
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I chose the Delta88 over the Grand National, a good investment. After all the restoration work the car eventually paid for itself. Then I went VW.
I had one of these, same colour too.http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...AVb_pLoqvyATHp4CwCg&tbm=isch&ved=0CDAQMygHMAc
I seem to be having problems verifying your statement. I just tried CarMaxCanada .... nothing. CarMax.com new cars ..... nothing. CarMax.com used cars .... only 5 year old cars available and they had ~40% original value.
I looked at Roy Foss and Old Mill Cadillac and used 2015 Caddies are within 10% of new car pricing. Even understanding the dealer will negotiate, this certainly doesn't support your claims.
I call bullshit. Can you backup your claims with proof?
Idiotic statement.
If you dislike the styling, that's fine. No-one can deny the C7s performance capabilities or it's engineering, it's use of leading edge build techniques, materials and new technologies. The C7 has already proven itself at the track by winning many racing titles. It's won many awards from the automotive press. It's a PRODUCTION car that you can drive off the lot today (vs. many of the other supercars that you will never see on the road). It comes with a 5 year warranty. Maintenance is reasonably priced. All for <$65K Cdn. One of the few cars that can match it's performance, the Porsche Turbo is 3-4X the cost. Do you have any idea what a brake job costs on a ceramic brake 911??
Typical old-timer frequent-posting Terbite. 5 years of posting 5 times a day and the quantity of posts has become more important than the quality of the posts.
"'Slade", "Murica", "bro" . I always get a laugh when some middle aged dude tries to be ghetto.
Resale values on Caddy is TERRIBLE. My boss bought a brand new Escalade (this is how I know) and 2 years later he traded it in and got destroyed. It was a 2010 Escalade Platinum he bought brand new and he lost 60% on the trade in.
And as far as it goes, here's a link to Auto Trader.
A 2014 CTS Vsport is being asked at 49k It's got all of 2,500 km on it (and the guy decided he didn't want it LOL). A new one is 65 to 80 grand depending on trim level.
And that's your idea of holding it's value?
I owned a 2000 BMW 328 and got rid of it in 2005 for a G35X sedan. The 2005 Infiniti was superior in every respect to the BMW (except for the audio system and cup holder) in my opinion. The G35x was fantastically responsive and it was great in the snow (X after all) and a very good suspension. I then traded the 2005 for the 2012 Infiniti G37x and that car is truly a piece of shit. I can't believe how Infiniti neutered that car. The problem with the Infiniti is the shit box 7 JATCO automatic transmission. It's just JUNK and I would encourage anyone thinking of buying a new Infiniti to reconsider based on the poor transmissions in the car.
The S6 is my idea of the perfect Day to Day Driver (imho).
Emmm, that's Aston Martin, not Austin Martin. Austin was the British car company (later a part of British Leyland) that made the Healey 3000 (one of my favourite cars) and the Austin Mini (the real mini, not the German variant.)
GM utterly and completely lost me in the 80's and 90's with the total pieces of SHIT that they were building. Especially the Series II 3.8 litre POS engine. Before that, I was dyed in the wool GM man. Not any more.
I will love the old GM's - anything from 72 on back.
My dream toy car would be a 1965 Corvette with the 327 small block engine in it.
Some day.
I used to drive a Buick Park Avenue in the early to mid eighties. The shape of the Grand National partly resembles the Park Avenue but it's a slicker, slimmed down version.
Heres' a pic of the Park Avenue -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_Electra#/media/File:80-85_Buick_Electra_Park_Avenue_sedan.jpg
(BTW, the very beginning of this video had an acoustic version of a popular 80s rock song. It was by.....uhm......got it. Here it is.)
LOLOL - Did you really think you were going to pull that off?
Here is the entire Auto Trader Canada inventory for the CTS from your link: http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/cars/cadillac/cts/2014/?hprc=True&wcp=True . You picked the lowest priced car, the average price of the other used CTS-Vs is ~$64K. There is probably a reason why this particular car is $15K below the average of the other CTS-Vs. Perhaps it's been in an accident? Has interior problems? Modded? How did you know "the guy decided he didn't want it"? You a mind reader?
Lets use a mathematical average of $64K. The Cdn list price for a 2104 CTS-V was $71K. We all know that GM will discount off list (quite heavily for Cadillac), I'll assume he got $0K off (even though TeasePlease claims $10K off sticker is possible) to balance against any options that may have been bought. That represents a 9.8% depreciation in the first year. I did the same calculation for a 2014 QX70 and the depreciation was 1.5% better than Cadillac. According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_costs#/media/File:Depreciation_car.svg) an average car depreciates 15% in the first year.
BUSTED JAMES! I admit it's hard to do an exact comparison, but even if I'm out 3-4%, the Caddy is still better than the market average. Important point: with GM, list price means nothing, you really have to know selling price when doing this math, which means the Cadillac depreciation is definitely less than my calculation.
BTW, I did the same research and calculations for a 2 year old Cadillac Escalade. So, either your boss is an idiot, there is something you are not telling us about the condition or mileage of the SUV, or you got your facts wrong (I'll let you off easy).
Back to the original discussion. I disagree with you; GM does not only build shit.
Spell checker! Spell Checker! Okay, you got me there. Yes, Aston Martin.
Based on the cars you seem to like, GM doesn't really have a model for you. That said, sounds like you are a few years out-of-date, you might want to at least relook at GM to see how they've changed over the years. With a few exceptions, I feel GM builds boring (much like Ford), but the quality is not as bad as you paint it.
I had a 66 327 vette, then a 67 427 vette. Neither were numbers matching and both needed work at purchase time. Only way I could afford them. Now those were cars that handled like shit. I loved both, especially the 427.
My dream car would be an early 70s HEMI Cuda or Challenger or modded 72 vette convertible with a modern fuel injected 427 and 5-spd.
No, I just went to Auto Trader and set it for Toronto and Cadillac and the CTS and picked the newest one.
Simple as that.
GM vehicles do not hold their value because no one wants them and they are made from cheap everything
My father had a 1975 Delta 88. What a car! No engine noise, no road noise, super soft, turn the wheel with a little finger. And so comfortable. I loved driving it. I had a 77 Monte Carlo when I first came over-after the under powered European shit boxes it was a revelation. Used to take it on the country roads around London and just put the gas pedal on the floor. Pure balls.
I remember that car. My mom had a 1986 Monte Carlo SS back then. I absolutely LOVED driving that car. Stopped at a red light you could feel the car rumbling all around you like a muscle car. Dudes beside me would just look over kinda in awe hearing that car grumble. I can totally see the attraction to muscle cars
Maybe it's timing. I went on CarMax in the second (or third) week of March, searching in Florida (because that's where I happened to be at the time) following a Jalopnik article on the very subject of Cadillac pricing.
Imagine the shit I'll post when I'm retired.
I must have pubes older than you, sonny. Even middle aged fat bastards dumb enough to pay for ceramic brakes in 991s have feelings.
Promo. I have a friend who made bigger money (after being in the same field I'm in) after expanding his dad's contracting business and getting into development. He can afford a Vette or Porsche. He even took racing lessons. He liked the Porsche but also felt that the Vette was a great car for the money, including it's performance which he felt could rival some of the low-end exotic sports cars if not higher.
I drove this for my driving test years ago. My dad's car, although this was not his exact model but pretty close (it could've been a 74 model Riviera). Burgundy color. It was a GS model and it had a 455 engine. Powerful car with wide wheels. Great sound system (8 track lol)
I loved Monte Carlo SS's back when I was a kid. One of my favs even still now. Probs wouldn't buy one tho.Buddy of mine had a Monte Carlos SS...
I'm not exactly a "car guy", but I remember cruising around in that sweet ride which was very similar looking to the Grand National.
My cousin bought an 87GN brand new. I remember like it was yesterday cuz he brought it to my fathers shop to show him (my father was a mechanic) and I was there that day, probably a Saturday. He still has it.
GM announced today that it is laying off 1,000 people from its Oshawa plant.
Sad for those people.
But goes to show you what GM is all about.
Sad for those people.
But goes to show you what GM is all about.
A few weeks ago you posted about the problems with the Ontario economy and the danger of Ontario losing it's manufacturing industries. I agreed with what you said.
Why are you now uniquely singling out GM as being different from other manufacturers? The same energy costs, taxes and labour costs impact GM. GM needs to stay competitive and unfortunately that might mean leaving Ontario, like those other manufacturers. Trying the old bullshit baffles brains routine again?
You used to be one of the more reasonable and thoughtful people on Terb, what happened?
Car and Drivers latest praise for Caddy at the expense of BMW: http://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/research/the-10-best-cars-nobody-buys/ss-BBjhx4A#image=4
"In a just and righteous world, every BMW 5-series buyer would instead be driving brand-new Cadillac CTS. Hell, most 3-series folks would do well to cross-shop the Caddy dealership. The CTS simply has all the traits you want in a sporty sedan. It's lightweight—skating in significantly under 4000 pounds in an increasingly portly segment—thanks to a mass-reduction program that obsessed over not pounds or ounces, but grams. The electrically assisted steering is sports-car good, the optional multi-mode magnetorheological dampers work chassis magic, and the Vsport's twin-turbo V-6 with 420 horses and 430 lb-ft moves that stiff, lithe chassis with aplomb. Thrifty buyers could save money with the naturally aspirated 3.6-liter V-6, or even the capable (if not traditionally Caddy-esque) 2.0-liter turbo four; those who commute wearing Simpson racing shoes will have to wait for the utterly insane 640-horse CTS-V due later this year. That one, the supercharged, Nürburgring-devouring Caddy that's basically a four-door Corvette Z06, is the best argument against buying German: While BMW wobbles around slapping once-vaunted M badges on unworthy, overweight crossovers, Cadillac made the CTS-V more single-mindedly performance-oriented than ever before. Why do otherwise-smart people still choose the roundel over the (now wreath-less) crest? Damned if we know."
"Change can be hard to recognize—and even harder to accept. That certainly seems to be the case with Cadillac. The division has shaken off the overstuffed glitz of its (admittedly highly profitable and, for a long time, quite popular) past. After a period of some identity confusion, Cadillac with the ATS and the CTS [see separate entry] has come out the other side, offering cars that out-BMW BMW. The ATS both in sedan and—even more so—in coupe form, drive with the poise and responsiveness that used to be a given in the BMW 3-series. Granted, the ATS is not perfect: The CUE interface is annoying and the back seat is pretty tight. But enthusiasts for years had no problem overlooking the frustration of iDrive and a cramped back seat in the BMW (both alleviated in today's models). Why can't enthusiasts do the same for the ATS? One suspects it's not that they can't overlook the car's shortcomings in order to embrace its driving excellence, but that they're unwilling to look in Cadillac's direction at all. The ATS is a very different Cadillac from those that have gone before—a polar opposite, in fact. As we're seeing with the disappointing sales of this anything-but-disappointing car, it's the kind of change that many buyers are having a hard time coming to grips with."
I don't know how I got stuck defending Cadillac, I think their cars are ugly. But again I state: GM does not build shit. Your opinions are years out of date and I suspect alot of what drives you is the snob factor.
