Women downtown ... WTF?

[anonymong]

I will weigh in with a slightly different perspective or experience ... I work in downtown Toronto in a pretty good sized office and I get out in public at sporting events, malls and restaurants, movies, festivals and concerts, and team sports like most people probably do. I've also lived in different US cities on both sides of the continent.

I have not experienced the type of behavior described in this thread in Toronto! I find ladies young and old to be very friendly and pleasant and willing to engage in a bit of banter ... and I'm not always the one to start it.

Its not that I'm a hunk or anything ... I am short and pudgy and losing hair .... not the best dresser ...

I think Toronto is a very friendly city what can I say!

fwiw I do think people are less friendly on airlines now and that may be because everyone has their own device to occupy them during the flight.

 

[Serpent]

I will weigh in with a slightly different perspective or experience ... I work in downtown Toronto in a pretty good sized office and I get out in public at sporting events, malls and restaurants, movies, festivals and concerts, and team sports like most people probably do. I've also lived in different US cities on both sides of the continent.

I have not experienced the type of behavior described in this thread in Toronto! I find ladies young and old to be very friendly and pleasant and willing to engage in a bit of banter ... and I'm not always the one to start it.

I think social interaction depends on whether you are in their network or not. If you are familiar to these women (and you maybe since you work with them), they will not build up barriers to you that they'd otherwise for other guys.

 

[anonymong]

I think social interaction depends on whether you are in their network or not. If you are familiar to these women (and you maybe since you work with them), they will not build up barriers to you that they'd otherwise for other guys.

that is a very fair point regarding the work environment ... but I get the same friendliness pretty much everywhere ... mall, restos, sporting events, pickup sports at the park, you name it ... it just seems like a very friendly place to me also my company has over a 1000 people so not everyone knows everyone.

I'm not on the make though and maybe people can sense that ...

 

[Serpent]

that is a very fair point regarding the work environment ... but I get the same friendliness pretty much everywhere ... mall, restos, sporting events, pickup sports at the park, you name it ... it just seems like a very friendly place to me also my company has over a 1000 people so not everyone knows everyone.

I'm not on the make though and maybe people can sense that ...

The hottest chicks at my gym (where I've been going for years) smile and talk with me and I do so without an agenda too. The most average ones on dating sites ignore me. I think it's familiarity and the female perception of "he's not a creep/loser" if they see you in their life regularly somewhere.

 

[spraggamuffin]

I used to think like this but realized it was unnecessary hatred of women.

It was more a reflection on my low self estem, lack of self confidence and blaming others for my shortfalls.

This impersonality is typical of bigger cities and it seems the further North and colder the climate, people tend to be frumpier.

One does not know the underlying issues some of these women may have had in their past that make them take a negative stance towards men. Things like sexual abuse etc.

Some women just like to "buss their style" or seem hard to get and not too easily accessible as it gives them a higher worth, in terms of what they can attract and how much effort a guy has to/is willing to put into wooing her.

Women thrive on exclusivity. If they are in a relationship, they think they should not speak to other men, have male friends etc for a variety of reasons.

They get high on exclusivity and being able to say "I am needed aby somebody" , "I belong" and they will let you know via their attitude if this is the case or if they simply think you are not good enough for them.

Granted many are following the fashions and trends they see on tv a la Kardashians etc, it's sometimes all a front.

You sometimes see these same women spending all their money on thier young unemployed deadbeat stud who neither loves them, nor cares about them and may be servicing other women as well.

The career oriented women have been influenced by feminists too, that men endanger their careers etc.

Women are also taught these days to aim high with financial security, status and comforts in the material world taking a priority over love, compatibility etc.

These attributes are harder to come by these days in a more competitive environment compared to a young unemployed stud she can easily get through money, her looks, her aggression etc.

It's called having your cake and eating it too.

It's best to not hate them as we simply cannot live without them.

Appreciate the ones that do deserve to be appreciated.

 

[Serpent]

It's best to not hate them as we simply cannot live without them.

Appreciate the ones that do deserve to be appreciated.

This is true. As with most things in life now, I accept things for what they are and try to find what works for me and with me. Can't change people or the system, we adapt.

 

[canada-man]

i never experience the attitude the OP and other PUA types experienced. maybe i am lucky

 

[Titalian]

Pay attention fellas - words of wisdom.

Yes the bull and the calf. Almost forgot about that one.

 

[legmann]

I think social interaction depends on whether you are in their network or not.

Definitely. It used to be people (in general) made more of a conscious effort to socialize and be sociable; today (whatever social mechanisms involved), there seems to be more an attitude of people being more conscious of their time and personal space, and (by default), who they have time for.

 

[sleazure]

Lucky for you, Toronto has plenty of prostitutes.

 

[bestman007]

Any fellow terbers working downtown can enlighten me ?.

Been downtown lately for some business and I noticed the business women downtown
seem to have such an attitude.

They seem snobbish, indifferent and all bothered to have men around. The attitude seems to be correlated
to hotness or looks. Even the low 3s or 4s seem to think they are 9s or 10s? just mind boggling...

LOL. That's why you fuck 'em & chuck 'em. It would irk my conscience if many hot women were actually sweet and considerate here in Toronto to not be a gentleman. I have no qualms about not returning calls. Leave with a bang & onto the next one... when in a drought tap some of the adult industry's local talent. It's ALL GOOD! That's my M.O. anyway!!!

Definitely not the best man in this respect! hehe

 

[anonymong]

I've lived in 2 provinces as an adult and now live just across the Quebec border in Ontario and find myself going to Toronto and Hamilton. So this is 3 provinces from the 3 founding nations. [Newfoundland was a nation, suck it bitches... I mean suck it b'y]

I am not the best dresser, I'm fat but tall and have a shaved head. I am also friendly as fuck.

Apart from some dudes, the retarded, old people and women in some customer service role [and even then it ranges from hot to cold] I might as well be invisible.

I used to think it was some sort of inability on my part to relate to normals but I realize that it is impossible to have a conversation with someone who has no interest in talking to a fugly chud. I say something, it quickly becomes apparent that my overtures are not welcome, at least on an extended basis or at best she has no interest in putting any effort in her side of the conversation [being a performing circus monkey is just too much pressure and demeaning].

It makes being an extrovert very difficult.

Being approached? I have no idea what that could possibly be like except for this one time not at band camp.

Hey bro, sorry to hear about your experiences ... what a drag that must be ...

Still I commend you highly for dropping "chud" into the conversation ... I thought I was the only one who did that!

 

[Olivia Gracexo]

We women like a real context to break the ice,like a Jays game or a concert.
I dress like a nerd and tend to attract nerds looks
aren't a big deal to me.

 

[terby]

A lot of people will blame the OP. Just google "Toronto Women" they are a global brand.

 

[Bud Plug]

I've noticed what the OP is talking about, but I think it only tells half the story. Many young people, and quite a few older ones, both men and women, measure their self worth externally. To them, how conventionally attractive their girlfriend/boyfriend is reflects on their own self image. They don't take into account how attractive they are themselves, or even whether the features that others frequently find attractive in the opposite sex (slim, big breasts, in women, for example) really even matter to them.

As a result, you get an awful lot of people walking around thinking that everyone they see/meet is not good enough for them. You also get a lot of people marrying partners who "look like they should" ("looks" including physical looks, social position, and other "appearance" features) but don't end up making each other happy.

Some people get wiser with age, but not everyone. Go into any martini lounge and see fat, ugly, middle aged businessmen hitting on twenty something slim, physically attractive waitresses. That's equally delusional.

North American culture is going through some real hard times when it comes to male/female relationships. Thus, the booming sex industry!

 

[kkelso]

A lot of people will blame the OP. Just google "Toronto Women" they are a global brand.

He he. I love Toronto but terby speaks the truth.

KK

 

[Titalian]

We women like a real context to break the ice,like a Jays game or a concert.

Really, what ever happened to just being attracted to the person or for that matter the Man.

 

[bestman007]

So you are advocating rape correct?

We are talking about snobbish indifferent women who are all bothered to have men around. Seems to me if they feel that way about a guy, you are not getting the old in and out without some pharmaceutical assistance or some of that ultraviolence.

If they are consenting to fuck you they wouldn't be snobbish, indifferent and all bothered to have you around would they.


Also I am guessing with enough guys with that attitude I'd turn pretty dykish myself if I had the vag.

Not at all an advocate of rape... woman says "no" & it means "no" (though, I've got enough game to make her come around more often than not). I can put up with snobbish shenanigans if I really want in a woman's pants for a short while... guy's that want a life sentence marry them! LOL

 

[Worf]

I think some of these young women are getting a little too high on themselves. I cannot tell you the number of times they bump into me (I think intentionally - in a "get out of my way bitch" kind of way), give me dirty looks, roll their eyes, etc.

When I was their age, I was hotter than a lot of them. Without the need to hide myself under a pound of makeup, etc. They need to get over themselves. Society and the media is creating these little divas. Sorry - my rant for this evening. Good night.

You are absolutely correct.

 

[Titalian]

You are absolutely correct.

Welcome to our entitled and spoiled brat youth, You now what, good luck to them. There going to need it!