Two Israeli soldiers killed by Hezbollah....very fishy stuff.

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Nope I have always said engaging in war is always criminal. ...
And you have repeatedly blamed Jews for being the victims of Palestinian terrorism. You have repeatedly acted as if Palestinians were incapable of moral actions.


As for storing weapons in civilian areas, this has been standard Israeli practice for a long time it seems:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...0#.VM2xAy5lZ-A
Just like with your views on Assad you just prove yourself an idiot again.

The first line of the article. "Hundreds of guns held in armories". Not in their homes.
 

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I am living with a Jew right now, he is a pretty cool dude. I don't think I would live with a Jew if I hated them.
You have posted all kinds of things that try to equate Israel's legitimate and moral right to defend itself with the actions of terrorists who are driven by their pathological hatred of Jews. That makes you the head cheerleader for Jew-hating terrorists.

If it helps you sleep any better, I don't actually think you hate Jews. I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

The problem is this: Ignorance is no excuse.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/30/charles-krauthammer-european-jew-hatred-is-back/
 

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They do not behave in similar fashion. Not even close. Hezbollah and Hamas intentionally target civilians as their primary objective. IDF does not.

For any moral person that ends the debate. There is no moral equivalence at all, IDF is infinitely superior to terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah on any moral or ethical index.
I don't believe that, at the very best the IDF shows reckless disregard for Arab civilians and that is quite a broadly held opinon. So many times Israel escapes UN condemnation ONLY because of the US (Daddy) Veto.
 

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You have posted all kinds of things that try to equate Israel's legitimate and moral right to defend itself with the actions of terrorists who are driven by their pathological hatred of Jews. That makes you the head cheerleader for Jew-hating terrorists.

If it helps you sleep any better, I don't actually think you hate Jews. I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

The problem is this: Ignorance is no excuse.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/30/charles-krauthammer-european-jew-hatred-is-back/

I think some of this is to do with the middle east. The Euros are seeing the conflict spill into their countries and they don't feel Israel is serious enough about peace. Israel behaves in the same way to Arabs as the Arabs do them. If Israel were to make the serious decision to make peace it could be done. Instead they have abused the process for propaganda purposes, never intending to actually make an offer the Palis could accept.
 

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Except it isn't. War is frequently legal, and often just.
Initiating it is rarely so, defensively yes. But I suppose chumps like you would say the Afghan and Iraqi wars were just and proper. If the end of WWi had been handled better, there would have been no WWII. Just as if Israel were to make a proper and just offer to the Palis it could result in a durable peace.
 

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And you have repeatedly blamed Jews for being the victims of Palestinian terrorism. You have repeatedly acted as if Palestinians were incapable of moral actions.



Just like with your views on Assad you just prove yourself an idiot again.

The first line of the article. "Hundreds of guns held in armories". Not in their homes.
Those armories are in civilian areas, it would justify wiping out the whole block which is what Israel does.
 

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Hezbollah instigating wars with Israel sure doesn't provide stability to Lebanon. And Syria occupying Lebanon for decades in your mind was justified and you think Lebanese demeaning their independence was foolish? Shit your anti-Israel agenda has made you an admirer of Assad.
Considering Syria ended the Lebanese civil war, yes absolutely it was justified. Once that ended Lebanon was a much better place. Lebanon was a failed state at the time Syria invaded. And frankly, when the Syrians left and returned Lebanon to independence, Israel pummeled it back about 30years in time killing over 1200 people and injuring over 5000 plus the massive damage to important civilian infrastructure like airports and electrical grid. So as horrible as Assad is, the Israelis were even worse to the Lebanese. Would you rather be repressed or bombed?
 

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One more point about Syria, I think it is probably wrong of ANYONE (INcluding me) to say much about that conflict as the fact is, no one has any idea about who is doing what to whom. The situation is so murky even the US Govt is utterly paralyzed. Who started it? Maybe Assads thugs did fire on protestors, maybe all the other agitators like the Turks and Saudis were involved. It is IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY FOR SURE. It turns out the Chemical Attack which had the US poised to pummel Syria into oblivion, was really engineered by the Turks... a NATO member!!!! So whatever. All I can say for sure is Syria is FUCKED and is gonna remain FUCKED for a loooooooooong time.
 

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I don't believe that, at the very best the IDF shows reckless disregard for Arab civilians and that is quite a broadly held opinon. So many times Israel escapes UN condemnation ONLY because of the US (Daddy) Veto.
That is an opinion primarily held by either a) people who criticize every war everywhere all the time, and b) people who hate Israel.

It has no bearing in fact. The spectacularly low rate of civilian casualties in the conflict proves it is nonsense.
 

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Initiating it is rarely so, defensively yes. But I suppose chumps like you would say the Afghan and Iraqi wars were just and proper. If the end of WWi had been handled better, there would have been no WWII. Just as if Israel were to make a proper and just offer to the Palis it could result in a durable peace.
Initiating the Afghan and Iraqi wars was just and proper. The US badly botched the implementation of the Iraqi war, but that is a different point than the one you are making.

In the present discussion, Israel has never started a way and has in every case been the victim of racist Arab aggression.
 

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Those armories are in civilian areas, it would justify wiping out the whole block which is what Israel does.
No, it wouldn't, and Israel has never done anything like that, you are blatantly lying. Israel has used percussion strikes to limit collateral damage ever since the technology was available, and in fact has pioneered that aspect of warfare. You simply lose this point. You are shown to be a rabid antisemite hurling made up accusations to incite hatred.
 

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Considering Syria ended the Lebanese civil war, yes absolutely it was justified. Once that ended Lebanon was a much better place. Lebanon was a failed state at the time Syria invaded. And frankly, when the Syrians left and returned Lebanon to independence, Israel pummeled it back about 30years in time killing over 1200 people and injuring over 5000 plus the massive damage to important civilian infrastructure like airports and electrical grid. So as horrible as Assad is, the Israelis were even worse to the Lebanese. Would you rather be repressed or bombed?
1200 people who were mostly Hezbollah terrorists. Job well done. Airports and electrical grids are valid wartime targets as they are militarily significant.
 

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1200 people who were mostly Hezbollah terrorists. Job well done. Airports and electrical grids are valid wartime targets as they are militarily significant.
Nonsense, the airport was already closed by the Lebanese so it just amounted to vandalism and criminality. You don't think Hezbollah has port generators and batteries? One again horseshit. UN accounting of the dead does not sync with what you claim. Of course no one knows for sure but their number would have a smidgen of objectivity.
 

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No, it wouldn't, and Israel has never done anything like that, you are blatantly lying. Israel has used percussion strikes to limit collateral damage ever since the technology was available, and in fact has pioneered that aspect of warfare. You simply lose this point. You are shown to be a rabid antisemite hurling made up accusations to incite hatred.
The took down 2 40 story towers.. so as usual you are full of horseshit.

Here is some footage of the aftermath of your so called limited strikes:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29074260

showing once again you are full of HORSESHIT!!!
 

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Initiating the Afghan and Iraqi wars was just and proper. The US badly botched the implementation of the Iraqi war, but that is a different point than the one you are making.

In the present discussion, Israel has never started a way and has in every case been the victim of racist Arab aggression.
Most sane people now know the Iraqi war was based on a pack of lies. So I see you still support it. Make it pretty clear what you are all about.
 

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That is an opinion primarily held by either a) people who criticize every war everywhere all the time, and b) people who hate Israel.

It has no bearing in fact. The spectacularly low rate of civilian casualties in the conflict proves it is nonsense.
If that were true, Israel would not need the Daddy veto so often....H O R S E S H I T.
 

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Those armories are in civilian areas, it would justify wiping out the whole block which is what Israel does.
Another farcical claim. Hamas fires rockets at civilian areas from inside civilian areas. That is a crime against the Geneva convention.

Having an armory is not.
 

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Considering Syria ended the Lebanese civil war, yes absolutely it was justified. Once that ended Lebanon was a much better place. Lebanon was a failed state at the time Syria invaded. And frankly, when the Syrians left and returned Lebanon to independence, Israel pummeled it back about 30years in time killing over 1200 people and injuring over 5000 plus the massive damage to important civilian infrastructure like airports and electrical grid. So as horrible as Assad is, the Israelis were even worse to the Lebanese. Would you rather be repressed or bombed?
Wow. Pretty interesting view.

First off you are now justifying invasions if it is claimed as a stabilizing measure. But somehow Israel invading South Lebanon because of repeated attacks from there isn't.

Second, Syria invaded Lebanon in 1976. The Lebanese civil war ended in 1989. They continued to occupy Lebanon until 2005. Sure doesn't sound like they were there to make peace.

And claiming Lebanon was a much better place in 2005 than 1976 is another joke. What Syria left behind was the exact same country of factional militias and continual fighting. Take a look at Lebanon's recent history and it isn't much different than the violence leading up to 1976. The only difference now is that Syria has helped hezbollah get too strong for any of the other factions or even the legitimate Lebanese government to act against them.

Now claiming Israel's war with Lebanon is worse that Assad is another of your fucked up statements. Assad (and his dad and brother) has killed hundreds of thousands.
 

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One more point about Syria, I think it is probably wrong of ANYONE (INcluding me) to say much about that conflict as the fact is, no one has any idea about who is doing what to whom. The situation is so murky even the US Govt is utterly paralyzed. Who started it? Maybe Assads thugs did fire on protestors, maybe all the other agitators like the Turks and Saudis were involved. It is IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY FOR SURE. It turns out the Chemical Attack which had the US poised to pummel Syria into oblivion, was really engineered by the Turks... a NATO member!!!! So whatever. All I can say for sure is Syria is FUCKED and is gonna remain FUCKED for a loooooooooong time.
So when faced by atrocities in the Arab world you say it's not our place to comment yet when it comes to Israel, you feel the need to spew endlessly.
 
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