We will get what back from your owner/master John Tory?And reduced services while hiking the rates. At least with this hike we get them back.
We will get what back from your owner/master John Tory?And reduced services while hiking the rates. At least with this hike we get them back.
Once again it's obvious you didn't read about the service restorations and increases. More subway trains, more all night routes. More buses to come.We will get what back from your owner/master John Tory?
The Scarborough subway is the driving force behind tax hikes. It is separated out because it is such a huge amount of money voters deserve to see it on its own.
The worst part is it's a subway to nowhere that no one will use, we are getting nothing for our money.
At least the streetcars will be heavily used, we will get our money's worth on those. The subway is going to lose oodles of money even on its operating costs. It is going to be a drag on city finances for decades. It will never even attract enough riders to pay its operating costs never mind a return on capital invested.Think the cost of labor is the bulk of the budget, why is not the component for pay increases to government workers also separated out? The cost of pension increases?
Miller's team purchased costly new street cars, but that component of the budget was not separated out.
But he forgot to separate Greg Sorbara Subway extension to City of Vaughan.Are property tax increases normally presented the way this budget has been, with the 2.25% + + + + ? All previous budgets would have a component for infrastructure. It seems odd that Tory's new budget has separated the previous budget's subway extension component, but not other infrastructure components. If Tory's smart track is approved, and requires a 4% property tax increase, will future budgets also separate that component.
Seems we are being played, with tax increases being a number +++, and gas taxes called carbon taxes, etc.
Greg Sorbara's subway to Walmart in City of Vaughan?At least the streetcars will be heavily used, we will get our money's worth on those. The subway is going to lose oodles of money even on its operating costs. It is going to be a drag on city finances for decades. It will never even attract enough riders to pay its operating costs never mind a return on capital invested.
Plus that is just assuming it hits its projected budget and ridership. Odds are those forecasts are wrong and it will cost more and earn less.
Going forward the subway will be why Toronto won't be able to afford to fix highways, fill potholes, or get garbage picked up on a reasonable schedule. It is a boondoggle that will result n high taxes and poor services for thirty years
Almost as big a disaster as rob fords fuckup. Ford nation worse reckless spenders than the dirtiest liberal.Greg Sorbara's subway to Walmart in City of Vaughan?
Yes.........almost.Almost as big a disaster as rob fords fuckup. Ford nation worse reckless spenders than the dirtiest liberal.
Very myopic POV. Toronto is a rapidly growing metropolis and the most efficient way to move people is by subway. This is not an opinion, this is an objective fact clearly demonstrated from Moscow to New York. The fact that we spent four decades sitting on our hands instead of tunneling, is criminal. The results of that stupidity are easy to see.At least the streetcars will be heavily used, we will get our money's worth on those. The subway is going to lose oodles of money even on its operating costs. It is going to be a drag on city finances for decades. It will never even attract enough riders to pay its operating costs never mind a return on capital invested.
Plus that is just assuming it hits its projected budget and ridership. Odds are those forecasts are wrong and it will cost more and earn less.
Going forward the subway will be why Toronto won't be able to afford to fix highways, fill potholes, or get garbage picked up on a reasonable schedule. It is a boondoggle that will result n high taxes and poor services for thirty years
Efficient as in cost/benefit, where ridership and ridership projections clearly demonstrate the opposite?Very myopic POV. Toronto is a rapidly growing metropolis and the most efficient way to move people is by subway. This is not an opinion, this is an objective fact clearly demonstrated from Moscow to New York. The fact that we spent four decades sitting on our hands instead of tunneling, is criminal. The results of that stupidity are easy to see.
So when he increased the residential tax rate by 2%, 2.5%, and 2.25% it didn't affect you?My taxes didnt go up under Ford....
You mean promises like not raising taxes? Pretty amazing that Ford nation is able to ignore the massive flaws of their boy.Going back on promises like this, will give us no other choice but bring back Rob Ford for mayor next time.
Wasn't it only last year that Ford's budget listed a tax increase AND a special levy for the subway? Seems like the separation has very recent precedent.Are property tax increases normally presented the way this budget has been, with the 2.25% + + + + ? ....
Yet the choice of location for our new line is hardly the highest area of need. The few km we're going to be digging will likely be underutilized.Very myopic POV. Toronto is a rapidly growing metropolis and the most efficient way to move people is by subway. This is not an opinion, this is an objective fact clearly demonstrated from Moscow to New York. The fact that we spent four decades sitting on our hands instead of tunneling, is criminal. The results of that stupidity are easy to see.
Thats one of ten or more campaign promises so far John Tory goes back on.You mean promises like not raising taxes? Pretty amazing that Ford nation is able to ignore the massive flaws of their boy.
Why is the subway the most efficient way to move people? If that were true, then why do we have the GO Train? It plain doesn't make sense to build subways out in the suburbs where you have a lot of single family homes. There's basically no free land close to residential areas that would make a subway make sense.Very myopic POV. Toronto is a rapidly growing metropolis and the most efficient way to move people is by subway. This is not an opinion, this is an objective fact clearly demonstrated from Moscow to New York. The fact that we spent four decades sitting on our hands instead of tunneling, is criminal. The results of that stupidity are easy to see.
Yes I do think DRL subway is the most efficient way to move people.Why is the subway the most efficient way to move people? If that were true, then why do we have the GO Train? It plain doesn't make sense to build subways out in the suburbs where you have a lot of single family homes. There's basically no free land close to residential areas that would make a subway make sense.
At the moment a subway makes sense where you have high density residential and commercial spaces.
Ford's proposal for the 2014 budget was 1.75% + 0.5% for the subway which is what was approved....
Rob Ford's tax increase?
Think........think ....
The 2012 Operating Budget includes a 2.5 per cent property tax increase for residents,...
2013 Budget
... municipal property tax increase (2.00% residential and a 0.67% non-residential)...
2014 Budget??????
Go ask Norm Kelly and Gang.