How do you get a burner phone that is not connected to you.

legmann

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Ahhh, so additional credits require credit card purchases online which can leave a record associated with the burner app, or no association? I think it would be easier and more convenient to use a burner app from time to time, but I'd hate to permit a digital paper trail for time extensions purchased, or do these apps use dynamic phone #s that can't be traced later?
Yes, anything purchased online/via your smartphone can potentially be traced.


Is it possible to keep your same smartphone but use a temporary SIM card which has a different number (like a burner phone sim card)?
Yes, but keep in mind your phone's identifying IMEI number is fixed, and what the network will recognize each time you make a call, regardless of the number assigned to that phone (however temporary).


In short, always safer IMO to use a discrete, pre-paid hobby phone where there is no chance that anything can be traced back to you afterward.
 

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have a phone that is pay as you go but i buy vouchers using a credit card. can it be traced back to me even though i just buy vouchers with the credit card?
 

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No. You can buy time at a 7-11 for cash. They can be added via the phone or via the website. Obviously, minutes attach to the SIM card not the phone.



Your SIM is assigned one number.

FWIW, as soon as the girl gives me the room # I delete the messages and remove the battery. My phone sits in the car with the battery out. Have always done that not just now. I wouldn't play the two SIM in a smart phone but that is just me.
Excellent. Do you remove the battery to avoid GPS locating?
 

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Yes, anything purchased online/via your smartphone can potentially be traced.



Yes, but keep in mind your phone's identifying IMEI number is fixed, and what the network will recognize each time you make a call, regardless of the number assigned to that phone (however temporary).


In short, always safer IMO to use a discrete, pre-paid hobby phone where there is no chance that anything can be traced back to you afterward.
Thank you very much.
 

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can it be traced back to me even though i just buy vouchers with the credit card?
I have no idea what info might be on the receipt you buy but I would recommend cash. When was the last time you used your cc and it didn't appear on the receipt. I imagine they could tie the validation # to the cc.

Excellent. Do you remove the battery to avoid GPS locating?
No GPS on my phone. Someone can correct me if this is in error but I thought I read over the years your phone could ping off cell towers even when off. I only put the battery in when I need the phone.
 

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Ahhh, so additional credits require credit card purchases online which can leave a record associated with the burner app, or no association? I think it would be easier and more convenient to use a burner app from time to time, but I'd hate to permit a digital paper trail for time extensions purchased, or do these apps use dynamic phone #s that can't be traced later?

HOw long does a temporary burner app # last?

If you get a phone from 7-11, will it's number change or always stay the same?
The answer is that prepaid, anonymous visa cards can be purchased from 7eleven and used for any necessary online purchases, like funding a balance at a VOIP company. Call centric is a popular one already mentioned by someone else, if you Google you can find lots.

VoIP.ms is another BUT it is a Canadian company so consider that the police could serve them with a warrant to get your IP. They could do that to a US company too with additional cross border paperwork. Hunting your IP with warrants, particularly cross border ones, is LOTS of work. Judge for yourself whether you feel you need the added security of a cash purchased device from 7eleven.

Back when it was only wives were has to worry about the app worked for me.
 

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Yes, anything purchased online/via your smartphone can potentially be traced.



Yes, but keep in mind your phone's identifying IMEI number is fixed, and what the network will recognize each time you make a call, regardless of the number assigned to that phone (however temporary).


In short, always safer IMO to use a discrete, pre-paid hobby phone where there is no chance that anything can be traced back to you afterward.
With an app the call hits the internet then routes to POTS lines from your VoIP company's server so to have it traced police need to serve a warrant on the VoIP company first, learn the IP the call came from, then serve a warrant on your mobile company to find out which IMEI had that IP at that time.

If the VoIP company is not in Canada that can be a significant extra hurdle BUT it is certainly possible that they can do this. We would be talking about a US warrant, on CallCentric, or some similar company. Overseas VoIP companies exist but the call quality would be poor sending the connection overseas before routing back through the phone system.

If SP's were willing to accept calls from a blocked number that would introduce a third warrant that would need to be served to get the blocked number, but most SPs will refuse to take blocked number calls.
 

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The answer is that prepaid, anonymous visa cards can be purchased from 7eleven and used for any necessary online purchases, like funding a balance at a VOIP company. Call centric is a popular one already mentioned by someone else, if you Google you can find lots.

VoIP.ms is another BUT it is a Canadian company so consider that the police could serve them with a warrant to get your IP. They could do that to a US company too with additional cross border paperwork. Hunting your IP with warrants, particularly cross border ones, is LOTS of work. Judge for yourself whether you feel you need the added security of a cash purchased device from 7eleven.

Back when it was only wives were has to worry about the app worked for me.

Can one make cash payments for extensions or renewals of a burner app?

(Might as well get a burner phone).
 

GPIDEAL

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I have no idea what info might be on the receipt you buy but I would recommend cash. When was the last time you used your cc and it didn't appear on the receipt. I imagine they could tie the validation # to the cc.



No GPS on my phone. Someone can correct me if this is in error but I thought I read over the years your phone could ping off cell towers even when off. I only put the battery in when I need the phone.

Last time I saw Criminal Minds, Penelope Garcia couldn't triangulate the location of an agent's cell phone because the battery died or was removed/destroyed. So you could be right, lol.
 
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With an app the call hits the internet then routes to POTS lines from your VoIP company's server so to have it traced police need to serve a warrant on the VoIP company first, learn the IP the call came from, then serve a warrant on your mobile company to find out which IMEI had that IP at that time.

If the VoIP company is not in Canada that can be a significant extra hurdle BUT it is certainly possible that they can do this. We would be talking about a US warrant, on CallCentric, or some similar company. Overseas VoIP companies exist but the call quality would be poor sending the connection overseas before routing back through the phone system.

If SP's were willing to accept calls from a blocked number that would introduce a third warrant that would need to be served to get the blocked number, but most SPs will refuse to take blocked number calls.
I'm picturing NCIS with McGee sitting at his computer tracing all these perverts cell phones all over the place lol. Aren't we getting just a little too paranoid with this? Don't forget to wear a hat and fake glasses when you buy that phone in case the police want to look at every 7-11's security footage too. We aren't talking about running a terrorist ring, we are talking about prostitution. It's going to be pretty much a "caught red handed" type of scenario. The police aren't going to need to do forensic phone audits to gain evidence, if you get busted, they will have what they need. I don't dispute the value of hobby phones to keep prying spouses and bosses at bay, assuming the wife doesn't discover the hobby phone, and question why I have one (I don't think "I just keep it in the glove box for emergencies", right beside the emergency supply of Viagra lol) is going to cut it.
 

hobbytable7

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still, better to get a burner phone. there is the scenario where an agency gets raided and unfortunately in their records lie the numbers of the people who have used them. can always get a cheap phone of kijiji for 20$
 

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What are you doing that you need your gps turned off because someone is tracing you? It can't be. Just for hiding your hobby fron your wives.
 

wangbang

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Aren't we getting just a little too paranoid with this?
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't after you. Seriously, you have to get your phone and pay for your minutes somewhere so why not for cash. I greatly doubt anyone will ever be tracking down phones but it doesn't take any effort so why not.

assuming the wife doesn't discover the hobby phone, and question why I have one (I don't think "I just keep it in the glove box for emergencies", right beside the emergency supply of Viagra lol) is going to cut it.
Ahhh grasshopper, I use the emergencies excuse because I planned it out. See I hate being in touch with work 24/7 so I have a habit of leaving my phone on the kitchen counter. Often when my GF texts me she won't get an answer for hours because I left the phone at home or in the office. So I keep "forgetting" to take my phone with me plus I hate having to carry the phone. One day she said "what if your car breaks down?" so I said maybe I should get a cheap phone to leave in the car. She thought it a great idea. :D
 

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If you're not near a 7-11, go to a Petro-Canada station. They sell pay-as-you-go phones and also top-up cards. They come with no contract and cheap rates.
 

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Instead of keeping the phone in your car, wouldn't it be smarter to hide it in a storage locker you rent using cash?
A key is easier to hide and if found can't be linked to a specific location. To be extra safe you could hide the key in another locker that uses a combination lock.
 

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Major telecom employee here - former phone sales rep. Just wanted to clear the air on a few things about prepaid...

You can go to any carrier (Rogers, Bell, Telus) and sign up for prepaid anonymously - doesn't necessarily need to be 7-11 (though it could be, I don't care). The only thing you have to provide is a real address and you can provide ANY real address. You can choose a Pizza Pizza in Vancouver for all they care, as long as it's in the Canada Post database that they use for verification. I signed up many a questionable customer using my store's address and a "John Smith" pseudonym.

You'll need to own a phone that works on that company's network and a SIM card. Most companies have prepaid starter kits they can sell you with a phone and SIM card include. SIM cards usually run around $10. Phone and SIM bundle might run you between $60-$150 depending on how fancy you want to get.

You'll also need to start with some kind of balance - $10 minimum. $10/month may or may not be enough for you, though. Calling is $0.15/minute and texting is something stupid like $0.30/message incoming and outgoing. So you might want to add some sort of message plan ($15/month for unlimited).

You can carry multiple SIMs with a different number on each and switch them out of your phone, but a few things you need to be aware of:

- Each number needs its own balance to work.
- Balances expire. Depending how much you top up by, they'll either expire in 30 days or 60 unless you top up again before expiration. Some companies offer a $100 top up that lasts a year. So you'll need to keep track of your multiple accounts and their balances on a regular basis. Sounds like a nuisance.

Most carriers make prepaid top-up cards available at multiple locations. Other than their stores, you can typically get top ups at places like Shoppers Drug Mart, Superstore, and Walmart. If you're having trouble masking where your funds are going, you might have an easier time with it if it's Walmart showing up on the statement instead of Rogers.

Hope that helps or, at least, wasn't totally redundant.
 

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I'm picturing NCIS with McGee sitting at his computer tracing all these perverts cell phones all over the place lol. Aren't we getting just a little too paranoid with this? Don't forget to wear a hat and fake glasses when you buy that phone in case the police want to look at every 7-11's security footage too. We aren't talking about running a terrorist ring, we are talking about prostitution. It's going to be pretty much a "caught red handed" type of scenario. The police aren't going to need to do forensic phone audits to gain evidence, if you get busted, they will have what they need. I don't dispute the value of hobby phones to keep prying spouses and bosses at bay, assuming the wife doesn't discover the hobby phone, and question why I have one (I don't think "I just keep it in the glove box for emergencies", right beside the emergency supply of Viagra lol) is going to cut it.
Well said. We are over-emphasizing the risks here, but I suppose, it doesn't hurt to play safe. I have a work phone and have latitude with personal calls (private firm - they know of my hobbying but I don't harp on it or brag - I'm single too, although I should maybe resort to a hobby phone just in case).

I just checked some available apps.

Added these apps on my wishlist:

Disposable Numbers (burner app)

QR Phone Card (scans in your prepaid calling cards)

I will email Disposable Numbers as to how I can recharge or renew time without a) incurring charges on my work phone and avoid settling on my expense report, and b) using my own credit card by using alternate payment arrangements, or to confirm that my CC can't be traced to validation #s or PINs.


P.S. Hush burner app had many negative reviews. Disposable above seemed better for it's reviews.
 
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