BonBons agency closed / phone records stolen

[fuji]

If you book a hotel and the agency has your room number, same problem: that will lead the police to the hotel registry where your credit card will be on file and you can be identified. Under C36 you can be arrested after the fact, whereas under the previous law you needed to be caught in the act (for incall) or it just wasn't even illegal (for outcall). That has changed. Making sure that the agency does not have any information that can be used to identify you later is paramount, in case the police seize that record.

Sorry that you don't like the implications of C36. Nobody does. But they are now a reality.

The only intelligent discussion is how to conduct the transaction with minimum risk to both parties. The optimal solution, really, is where the driver knows where the escort is, but the agency does not. This is accomplished by providing the actual address at the last minute -- the escort can communicate it to her driver, and the agency does not need to have (and should not have) a record of that address, hotel room, whatever.

That is the only protocol that protects the safety of the escort AND minimizes the legal exposure for the client. Some agencies will care about their clients, some will not -- if C36 is enforced, those that do not show concern for the legal liabilities their clients face will lose a LOT of business.

 

[DB123]

Lol!!!!!!!! That is by far the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen you post. If as a client you're too paranoid for an agency to have your home address then book a hotel. If you don't have the means to book a hotel and an out call then book an in call. But truly, if you're honestly suggesting that agencies drive a girl to an intersection before getting further details and expect that to be a viable option then I'm sorry but not only are you delusional, you're also stupid.

Steph

I suppose the middle ground would be prepayment? But then the evil agency has banking records, so thats probably a no-go as well

 

[Vixens]

If you book a hotel and the agency has your room number, same problem: that will lead the police to the hotel registry where your credit card will be on file and you can be identified. Under C36 you can be arrested after the fact, whereas under the previous law you needed to be caught in the act (for incall) or it just wasn't even illegal (for outcall). That has changed. Making sure that the agency does not have any information that can be used to identify you later is paramount, in case the police seize that record.


Sorry that you don't like the implications of C36. Nobody does. But they are now a reality.

The only intelligent discussion is how to conduct the transaction with minimum risk to both parties. The optimal solution, really, is where the driver knows where the escort is, but the agency does not. This is accomplished by providing the actual address at the last minute -- the escort can communicate it to her driver, and the agency does not need to have (and should not have) a record of that address, hotel room, whatever.

That is the only protocol that protects the safety of the escort AND minimizes the legal exposure for the client. Some agencies will care about their clients, some will not -- if C36 is enforced, those that do not show concern for the legal liabilities their clients face will lose a LOT of business.

And you somehow think that providing that information last minute somehow minimizes the risk as a client? Really? How? And how exactly does this protect the safety of the companion?
"Hi Julia, here is Steves phone number. Please go to the intersection of lakeshore and parklawn. When you get there please phone him for the address".
"Hi Steph, we're going to 2222 lakeshore unit 2. I'll call you as soon as I'm there".
In the meantime, what happens if she gets there and there's no Steve. Or let's say that in the spirit of your suggestion she doesn't share the location information and Steve turns out to be not such a nice guy. How am I protecting her then?
There is so much wrong with this suggestion I cannot even begin to explain all the nuances.
I can only speak for myself and say that we have AlWAYS shown care for our clients C36 or no C36. I do however find it exceedingly fascinating that in one breath you talk about minimizing risk and on the next, spout off on a topic that you clearly have absolutely no knowledge of. Fear mongoring does not generally present itself with appropriate action and spewing shit like the above does not lead to productive solutions.
There simply isn't an agency or indipendent that would put themselves in such a high risk position. However if you insist on only giving information to a provider to minimize your risk at the last minute I would point out to you that this type of service already exists. On Jarvis St.

Steph

 

[GPIDEAL]

Then, really, you belong in prison.

Next to his employer.

 

[GPIDEAL]

If you book a hotel and the agency has your room number, same problem: that will lead the police to the hotel registry where your credit card will be on file and you can be identified. Under C36 you can be arrested after the fact, whereas under the previous law you needed to be caught in the act (for incall) or it just wasn't even illegal (for outcall). That has changed. Making sure that the agency does not have any information that can be used to identify you later is paramount, in case the police seize that record.

Sorry that you don't like the implications of C36. Nobody does. But they are now a reality.

The only intelligent discussion is how to conduct the transaction with minimum risk to both parties. The optimal solution, really, is where the driver knows where the escort is, but the agency does not. This is accomplished by providing the actual address at the last minute -- the escort can communicate it to her driver, and the agency does not need to have (and should not have) a record of that address, hotel room, whatever.

That is the only protocol that protects the safety of the escort AND minimizes the legal exposure for the client. Some agencies will care about their clients, some will not -- if C36 is enforced, those that do not show concern for the legal liabilities their clients face will lose a LOT of business.

Evidence of what?

A hotel registry doesn't state that you paid for sex or any related details, and an agency won't keep written records of menus or sexual preferences. A contact list doesn't mean you committed a crime.

Unless a cop or some corrupt official has a hard on for a particular john, I can't see the police doing this tracing exercise as a routine thing.

However, I will say that there are even some indies that are lackadaisical about deleting old text messages (not that those matter before December 6th). I also hope that agencies and indies do not buckle under any police intimidation tactics to reveal what happens behind closed doors or with who.

 

[nottyboi]

Let me know when our society outlaws adultery, in the meantime I fully support the criminalization of theft.

Well its not a criminal offense, but it is grounds for divorce and a guy going into divorce court with a wife armed with a long list of SP bookings will certainly be paying a price....beyond the $250/hour he already paid many times....

 

[GPIDEAL]

Charlize , you need to explain how you stored the phone information as it is all stolen .... I probably called your agency more than 3 months ago and I still got the unsolicited text message today . No phone stores such long history specially on a busy phone ....

If you had plans to quit you should have secured /erased the stored phone records history in advance ... it is very clear the phone information was stored not in the history of the phone but somewhere else...

sorry but you did not end your agency responsibly or on a good note .... and it may cause a lot of people trouble in coming days . weeks to come ....

Stolen old contact lists probably will be destroyed as a way of getting back at an owner (IOW, in an attempt to not help them re-start a business elsewhere). I doubt it would be used for any other purpose.

 

[Vixens]

Evidence of what?

A hotel registry doesn't state that you paid for sex or any related details, and an agency won't keep written records of menus or sexual preferences. A contact list doesn't mean you committed a crime.

Unless a cop or some corrupt official has a hard on for a particular john, I can't see the police doing this tracing exercise as a routine thing.

However, I will say that there are even some indies that are lackadaisical about deleting old text messages (not that those matter before December 6th). I also hope that agencies and indies do not buckle under any police intimidation tactics to reveal what happens behind closed doors or with who.

Well said. Agencies exist to provide clients a one stop shop for quality companions and to provide companions with quality representation. For these services we earn a living. Nothing more nothing less. We are not interested in your personal information other than to facilitate an appointment in a safe and expedient manner.
I've been involved in this industry for 17 years as of this past October. In that time I have only heard of a "client list" being compromised twice. I understand that in light of the new laws some of you will be more reluctant to provide us with personal information however this will not change how we operate. I will not under any circumstances compromise the safety of the companions we represent nor will I compromize our policies of discretion for our clients. Will that mean fewer of you calling? Yup. Probably. I can live with that.
To Fuji...In my opinion, out call is in fact the safest method going forward in a post C36 world. Do you have any idea the amount of information LE would need to gather just to find 1 out call customer and will that be worth it to them? Ive said it before....there are much easier pickings out there.

Steph

 

[Butler1000]

Stolen old contact lists probably will be destroyed as a way of getting back at an owner (IOW, in an attempt to not help them re-start a business elsewhere). I doubt it would be used for any other purpose.

I'm under the impression that someone formerly of Bon Bons is doing just that. Sending texts to former clients.

Former workers don't have the same stake in the rep of the business as the owner as well.

 

[D-Fens]

Former workers don't have the same stake in the rep of the business as the owner as well.

A lot of them just joined other agencies.

 

[fuji]

And you somehow think that providing that information last minute somehow minimizes the risk as a client? Really? How?

Yes. Because it eliminates the need, reduces the opportunity, and therefore reduces the likelihood that the address will be recorded in a record keeping system.

And how exactly does this protect the safety of the companion?
"Hi Julia, here is Steves phone number. Please go to the intersection of lakeshore and parklawn. When you get there please phone him for the address".
"Hi Steph, we're going to 2222 lakeshore unit 2. I'll call you as soon as I'm there".

If the escort did that I would abort the session and she would not get paid. At that point it is unsafe for me to proceed with the session.

She should protect her safety by traveling with a driver who knows where she is without communicating that information back to you.

You have no legitimate reason to know my address.

There simply an agency or indipendent that would put themselves in such a high risk position.

You are wrong, I have booked this way even before c36, in cases where there was a doorman to avoid, so that I could walk the escort up. Lots of agencies are willing to book this way.

And you will lose business to the agencies that do until you start respecting the safety of your clients.

 

[Hailey♥4U]

Yes. Because it eliminates the need, reduces the opportunity, and therefore reduces the likelihood that the address will be recorded in a record keeping system.



If the escort did that I would abort the session and she would not get paid. At that point it is unsafe for me to proceed with the session.

She should protect her safety by traveling with a driver who knows where she is without communicating that information back to you.

You have no legitimate reason to know my address.



You are wrong, I have booked this way even before c36, in cases where there was a doorman to avoid, so that I could walk the escort up. Lots of agencies are willing to book this way.

And you will lose business to the agencies that do until you start respecting the safety of your clients.

Please inform us which agencies will conduct business this way?

 

[asuran]

You have no legitimate reason to know my address.

And I'm sure you have legitimate reason to call for a companion.
If so why all the hassle?

Agencies should charge extra for this kind of undercover, spy-like arrangements or you are some sort of VIP frequent flyer member!!

 

[DB123]

And I'm sure you have legitimate reason to call for a companion.
If so why all the hassle?

Agencies should charge extra for this kind of undercover, spy-like arrangements or you are some sort of VIP frequent flyer member!!

Have you ever actually seen a review by Fuji?

 

[GPIDEAL]

Have you ever actually seen a review by Fuji?

His reviews are CLASSIFIED (sorry Fuji but I couldn't resist).

 

[GPIDEAL]

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You have no legitimate reason to know my address.

I can appreciate your consternation as to anonymity under this wretched new law, but you are wrong here on this point.

Every agency needs to know the location of their girls in case they don't hear back from them.

It's not enough to know the hotel or condo building. They need to know where she is exactly. Otherwise, it would be a wild goose chase for any manhunt to find a missing person when every minute counts.

However, every agency should delete details of any appointment after it's time and the lady is safe with the paid fee.

 

[Vixens]

I can appreciate your consternation as to anonymity under this wretched new law, but you are wrong here on this point.

Every agency needs to know the location of their girls in case they don't hear back from them.

It's not enough to know the hotel or condo building. They need to know where she is exactly. Otherwise, it would be a wild goose chase for any manhunt to find a missing person when every minute counts.

However, every agency should delete details of any appointment after it's time and the lady is safe with the paid fee.

If I could type cheering I would

Steph

 

[Vixens]

Yes. Because it eliminates the need, reduces the opportunity, and therefore reduces the likelihood that the address will be recorded in a record keeping system.

Even if it were what does that prove?


If the escort did that I would abort the session and she would not get paid. At that point it is unsafe for me to proceed with the session.

And you would even know how? if you don't believe we don't keep records why would you think that she would say nothing?

She should protect her safety by traveling with a driver who knows where she is without communicating that information back to you.

If a situation is dangerous wouldn't it be more prudent for me to call the police?

You have no legitimate reason to know my address.

I verify every appointment every time. I cannot do that without that information. As I said in my previous post. This already exists. On Jarvis. I suggest you go there.



You are wrong, I have booked this way even before c36, in cases where there was a doorman to avoid, so that I could walk the escort up. Lots of agencies are willing to book this way.

Congrats. You've found agencies that don't put the safety of the companions they represent first. Continue supporting them. Those types of places is one of the reason C36 is now an unfortunate reality.

And you will lose business to the agencies that do until you start respecting the safety of your clients.

I absolutely respect the safety of our clients and truly, fuck you for suggesting otherwise to try and prove an idiotic point.

 

[Mikehorn]

Lol!!!!!!!! That is by far the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen you post. If as a client you're too paranoid for an agency to have your home address then book a hotel. If you don't have the means to book a hotel and an out call then book an in call. But truly, if you're honestly suggesting that agencies drive a girl to an intersection before getting further details and expect that to be a viable option then I'm sorry but not only are you delusional, you're also stupid.

Steph

Thank you! I basically said the same a few weeks ago, though far less eloquently when he first floated this dumb idea. I'd love to hear the response to the guys who actually try this. Obviously safety concerns would make this unworkable. Of course Fuji will never try this himself since his wife doesn't let him have girls over :crazy:

 

[Mikehorn]

To Fuji...In my opinion, out call is in fact the safest method going forward in a post C36 world. Do you have any idea the amount of information LE would need to gather just to find 1 out call customer and will that be worth it to them? Ive said it before....there are much easier pickings out there.

Steph

My feeling too. Hopefully C36 will open up a new world of options for us outcall-only guys.