The appointment of Husseini was a seminal event in Palestinian history. Prior to his ascendancy, several Arab factions supported cooperative development with the Jews.
You mean this?
More Israeli douchbaggery....
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You mean this?
You may be dumbfounded.Your accusations are dumbfounded.
My assertion is well founded.
And some still do.The appointment of Husseini was a seminal event in Palestinian history. Prior to his ascendancy, several Arab factions supported cooperative development with the Jews.
The point remains -- the Jew-hatred promoted by Hamas existed before the creation of the state of Israel.
It's not something shared by all Arabs (then or now). But it is something that goes well beyond the creation of the state of Israel or disagreement with Israeli policies.
Your ignorance of ME history is dumbfounding. Wow.No like every war it is about resources, the Israelis kill and die for resources just like the Arabs. Before Israel was formed, you did not get arabs wanting to wipe out jews. Just the usual conflicts tribal conflicts. Nothing special about this war, just 2 groups fighting over a patch of dirt like all wars.
I think it is less dumbfounding they your yours. So tell be this oh great sage. If there was a loooooooong history of hatred against the Jews in this region. WHY would they choose to go there and establish their homeland? Does that not seem like a pretty retarded thing to do?Your ignorance of ME history is dumbfounding. Wow.
The Jews have been there for thousands of years you moron. Way before any Muslims were.I think it is less dumbfounding they your yours. So tell be this oh great sage. If there was a loooooooong history of hatred against the Jews in this region. WHY would they choose to go there and establish their homeland? Does that not seem like a pretty retarded thing to do?
I am dumbfounded by your belief that your accusations are well founded. Because well, they are pretty dumb.You may be dumbfounded.
My assertion is well founded.
If you read enough history books you come to realize so much is dependant on the bias of the author. The fact is, events may have happened exactly as the article says they did, (unlikely) or they may have not. The real question to me is, how did they expect to go about establishing this Jewish homeland? What was the plan? Clearly the land had to come from SOMEWHERE? Why were the Arab leaders not consulted and why was this decision imposed? This kind of arrogant imposition of policy will always lead to violence. In the US it resulted in wholesale revolution against the British.. There was a lot of bad blood in the middle east after WWI. Jews in the middle east worked very hard to assist in the destruction of the Ottoman empire, and I am sure, the Turks are probably still peeved about that today.There are cases that were documented in the 19th century.
Certainly, the cases in the early 20th century -- such as in the 1920s -- are well established.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2005/hitlers-mufti-the-dark-legacy-of-haj-amin-al-husseini-2
This Wiki is a good example of how History is not really based on hard facts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abandonment_of_the_Jews
This was in the 40's, if you think History can be relied upon beyond that, you are deluding yourself. All it can do is provide a high level of how events evolved. Details are all lost in the sands of time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abandonment_of_the_Jews
This was in the 40's, if you think History can be relied upon beyond that, you are deluding yourself. All it can do is provide a high level of how events evolved. Details are all lost in the sands of time.
It's reality though. If someone gives up immoral actions, it's their current actions that should be judged. (just ask when my Irish kin get drunk and the topic strays to Jerry Addams and the IRA).That is so convenient. You must be a christian, murdering and then saying empty words gets you off the hook for your actions, that only exists in a fairy tale.
So you choose to ignore what is in those links because it conflicts with your personal opinion. Nice.Does not seem much more then persecutions against Christians and other infidels. So if you believe all this extreme hatred existed PRIOR to the formation of Israel, then let me ask you WHY the Jewish people would want to establish their nation RIGHT in the midst of all this hatred? Seem pretty retarded to me.
And why would Jews want to live in the area that holds their holiest sites and which was part of a collapsing empire?
Its more akin to a war then murder. Murder is most often personal or for personal gain. Terrorists (or soldiers) do not kill for personal gain, they do so for their cause.That is so convenient. You must be a christian, murdering and then saying empty words gets you off the hook for your actions, that only exists in a fairy tale.
Unfortunately Husseini went to great lengths to wipe out any political opposition including those Palestinians willing to work with Jews for the betterment of all. The Mufti is a great role model for modern Palestinian leadership though since at the same time he was inciting against Jews living in the holy land, he and his associates were profiting from selling land to those very Jews.The appointment of Husseini was a seminal event in Palestinian history. Prior to his ascendancy, several Arab factions supported cooperative development with the Jews.
You mean this?
It's strange that every time a random Jewish civilian is killed you say it's war and they should know better but then you go to great lengths to call Palestinian deaths (or loss of residency) as a disgusting act.Its more akin to a war then murder. Murder is most often personal or for personal gain. Terrorists (or soldiers) do not kill for personal gain, they do so for their cause.
By your standards, the woman's husband was actively involved in a war and their house is the consequence. They should have known better.
Can you find a single author who says Jews living in 19th and 20th century Arab states were not targeted for being Jews?If you read enough history books you come to realize so much is dependant on the bias of the author...
p.s. As movie mentioned, you should really read some history books instead of just throwing out platitudes. Jews got their land by purchasing it from the previous owners (who in most cases were the Arab leaders).
Once again Notty is saying that the Jews are to blame for some Palestinians attacking civilians.
"Exactly as the article says they did"?If you read enough history books you come to realize so much is dependant on the bias of the author. The fact is, events may have happened exactly as the article says they did, (unlikely) or they may have not.
In your previous post, you asserted that such acts of violence never happened at all.
They did happen. That is an historical fact. Whether the events happened "exactly" as the author described is beside the point. The fact that they did occur proves -- unequivocally -- that you were wrong.
Baseless accusations.You may be dumbfounded.
My assertion is well founded.
a disagreement of which israeli policies? I believe it is the simple matter of creation of israel itself nothing more.And some still do.
The point remains -- the Jew-hatred promoted by Hamas existed before the creation of the state of Israel.
It's not something shared by all Arabs (then or now). But it is something that goes well beyond the creation of the state of Israel or disagreement with Israeli policies.
As far as the Israeli policies go, you'll have to take that up with Groggy, Gryfin and Jazzpig. I agree with you that Israeli policies have nothing to do with it.a disagreement of which israeli policies? I believe it is the simple matter of creation of israel itself nothing more.
Regarding Hamas, it is committed to the killing of Jews everywhere (for being Jewish) and to the elimination of Israel.
So you agree that Hamas has a problem with the existence of Israel as a Jewish state and it has nothing to do with 1967.a disagreement of which israeli policies? I believe it is the simple matter of creation of israel itself nothing more.
Do you care to suggest how peace can be achieved when Hamas is against the very concept?
