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Germans Pay Honour at the Grave of Their Beloved Kaiser

mandrill

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[COLOR="#crimson"]Especially for Danmand.[/COLOR]

No, to them he is no war criminal, no war inciter. To them he is their beloved Kaiser, the personification of a brave Germany, the victim of biased historians and a mean leftish press.

That's why they are here today, sounding their trumpets and beating their kettledrums and clanging their swords. They travelled with busloads from Germany to the Netherlands, because here the German Kaiser and Oberste Kriegsherr Wilhelm II lies buried.

The Kaiser fled to the Netherlands on November 9, 1918, just before the end of the Great War. His son, the Kronprinz arrived two days later. The Dutch authorities banned the Butcher of Verdun immediately to the isolated island of Wieringen. On 10th November 1923 young Willie escaped Wieringen and went back to Germany.

Kaiser Wilhelm lived in exile for 22 years. The Germans never wanted him back. He died on June 4, 1941 and he was buried in a small mausoleum on the lawn of Huis Doorn, a small castle he had bought in 1919.

He was buried there on purpose, because the Kaiser considered his Dutch castle and its precincts "German soil". His body must stay there, he ordered in his will, until in Germany the monarchy is restored.

Now every year in the month of June hundreds of German monarchists - yes, they still exist - come to Doorn to pay respect to the grave. Usually the mausoleum is firmly locked, but for this special occasion the keeper of the Hohenzollern family gives permission to open it up.

And so they arrive, with white flowers and military music: civilians and people marching in Prussian blue toy-soldier uniforms. They wear boots with spurs and bearskins and banners Pro Patria et Gloria. Die Deutschen Kaiserfreunde. Among them this year a subaltern officer of the Bundeswehr (the official German Army). He is in uniform. He carries the flowers and he stands firm at the grave of his Kaiser.

The Bundeswehr-subaltern knows that the German government does not want her soldiers to take part in political happenings in uniform, "but I consider this not a political occasion", he says.

And besides that, his direct superior, an officer who has a picture of the Kaiser hanging in his office, has allowed him to attend to this commemoration in his uniform, he says.

Yes - he is a strong monarchist, he loves the Hohenzollerns, but he refrains from answering further questions on this subject, "because statements on this matter in the press will sure cause problems for me and for the Bundeswehr."

The commemoration begins. Knut Wissenbach, president of Tradition und Leben from Cologne, addresses the gathered audience, all Germans. He tells them that for eighty years onesided historians have given the world a wrong impression of the Kaiser. "Now it is time for all German officers and other people of good will to stand up and protest against these biased versions of history."

"Wilhelm II", he says, "had a good judgement, whatever others may say about that. The Kaiser might not have been completely free of some racial prejudices, on the other hand he foresaw the problems with the Bolsheviks. He was also a good Christian."

And because of that all monarchists present join him in saying the Lord's prayer.....
http://www.denblanken.com/keizer/kaiser.html
 

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Thanks. The grandson of Queen Victoria.

On the death of Queen Victoria in 1901, Albert Edward became king-emperor as Edward VII, with the Danish princess Alexandra as queen-empress consort. She held the status until Edward's death in 1910. She hated her nephew, German Emperor Wilhelm II (for the war in 1864), and supported her son during World War I, in which Britain and its allies fought Germany.
 
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Thanks. The grandson of Queen Victoria.

On the death of Queen Victoria in 1901, Albert Edward became king-emperor as Edward VII, with the Danish princess Alexandra as queen-empress consort. She held the status until Edward's death in 1910. She hated her nephew, German Emperor Wilhelm II (for the war in 1964), and supported her son during World War I, in which Britain and its allies fought Germany.
More accurately Queen Alexandra hated Germany and particularly Prussia not just Wilhelm. Almost all members of the British Royal Family regarded Wilhelm as a boor particularly for the appalling way he treated his mother after his father's death.

p.s. 1864
 
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With his wife.





This is Kronprinz Wilhelm (Little Willi) well after the war (in the Uniform of the Leib-Husaren of the Royal Prussian Army)





Kronprinz Wilhelm and Kronprinzessin Cecilie
 

danmand

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More accurately Queen Alexandra hated Germany and particularly Prussia not just Wilhelm. Almost all members of the British Royal Family regarded Wilhelm as boor particularly for the appalling way he treated his mother after his father's death.

p.s. 1864
I grew up in a region that hated the Prussians, for the loss of Sleswig Holstein in 1864, when the Prussians un-sportingly used rear-loading guns against the danes with front-loading guns. We were indoctrinated to hate the germans i.e. the Prussians, not for WW I, and not for WW II, but for the war of 1864. I suspect the princess shared that view. It is worth mentioning, that my grandparents hate was directed specifically against the Prussians, not germans in general.
 

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I grew up in a region that hated the Prussians, for the loss of Sleswig Holstein in 1864, when the Prussians un-sportingly used rear-loading guns against the danes with front-loading guns. We were indoctrinated to hate the germans i.e. the Prussians, not for WW I, and not for WW II, but for the war of 1864. I suspect the princess shared that view. It is worth mentioning, that my grandparents hate was directed specifically against the Prussians, not germans in general.
From everything I've read that is true. Famously Queen Alexandra wrote to her son King George V, when as Prince of Wales he was made Colonel of one of the Prussian Guards Regiments "And so my Georgie boy has become a filthy blue-coated Pickelhaube German soldier."
 
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Georg Friedrich the Prussian Claiment and his wife Sophie





Titular Kaiser Karl II and Kaiserin Francesca
 

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According to some historians, it is not the Kaiser who instigated WW1 but Field Marshal von Moltke the German Army Chief of the General Staff, and the Austrian foreign minister. Von Moltke was convinced that France and Russia, with their new alliance, were going to squeeze Germany from both sides, something that von Moltke thought they could not successfully defend against. So he chose to preemptively attack, using the pretext of gettign Austria to attack Serbia after they failed to accept humilliating terms after the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, and triggering the series of treaties bringing the great powers to war. But the Serbs nevertheless accepted those humiliating terms. The Kaiser was keen to prevent war, and wrote to the Austrians that he was happy that the Serbs had accepted Germany and Austria's terms and that no war was going to take place. He asked the Austrian ambassador if his letter had been sent to the Austrian emperor. The answer was yes. But he ambassador never told hin that it was never delivered. When Austria went ahead and invaded Serbia, Moltke arranged to send the Kaiser on a naval cruise in the Baltic. The Kaiser never knew that the war was going to start until it was too late.
 

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According to some historians, it is not the Kaiser who instigated WW1 but Field Marshal von Moltke the German Army Chief of the General Staff, and the Austrian foreign minister. Von Moltke was convinced that France and Russia, with their new alliance, were going to squeeze Germany from both sides, something that von Moltke thought they could not successfully defend against. So he chose to preemptively attack, using the pretext of gettign Austria to attack Serbia after they failed to accept humilliating terms after the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, and triggering the series of treaties bringing the great powers to war. But the Serbs nevertheless accepted those humiliating terms. The Kaiser was keen to prevent war, and wrote to the Austrians that he was happy that the Serbs had accepted Germany and Austria's terms and that no war was going to take place. He asked the Austrian ambassador if his letter had been sent to the Austrian emperor. The answer was yes. But he ambassador never told hin that it was never delivered. When Austria went ahead and invaded Serbia, Moltke arranged to send the Kaiser on a naval cruise in the Baltic. The Kaiser never knew that the war was going to start until it was too late.
Largely accurate although there were other parties. It is to put it mildly a highly complex subject about which there is no historical agreement.
 

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Georg Friedrich the Prussian Claiment and his wife Sophie





Titular Kaiser Karl II and Kaiserin Francesca
Georg Friedrich Prince of Prussia ('Prince of Prussia' is his family name) is 212th in line to the British throne. The King of Norway is about 70th.

Another tidbit is that the word Kaiser is derived from the latin Caesar. In fact, it is pronounced similarly in Latin.
 

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LOL

Yeah, for such incredibly industrious and capable people - they can be so easily duped. I don't get it.
The people weren't duped, the elected government was. Hitler convinced government to give him extraordinary powers. Which he then took full advantage of. By that point it was too late for anyone to stop it.
 

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The people weren't duped, the elected government was. Hitler convinced government to give him extraordinary powers. Which he then took full advantage of. By that point it was too late for anyone to stop it.
^^^ Exactly this. It blows my mind that people still don't know their history on this subject...o_O
 

danmand

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The people weren't duped, the elected government was. Hitler convinced government to give him extraordinary powers. Which he then took full advantage of. By that point it was too late for anyone to stop it.
You are playing fast and loose with facts. The Nazi's received 37% of the votes.

To put it in perspective, that is what Harper received in 2008 and 2% less than what Harper received in 2011. If the Weimar republic had had the same FPP election rules as Canada, Hitler would have received a comfortable majority.

Of course, you can claim that Harper duped the whatever also.
 

wilbur

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You are playing fast and loose with facts. The Nazi's received 37% of the votes.

To put it in perspective, that is what Harper received in 2008 and 2% less than what Harper received in 2011. If the Weimar republic had had the same FPP election rules as Canada, Hitler would have received a comfortable majority.

Of course, you can claim that Harper duped the whatever also.
Interesting parallel between Harper and Uncle Adolf.
 

Aardvark154

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Georg Friedrich Prince of Prussia ('Prince of Prussia' is his family name) is 212th in line to the British throne.
The Weimar Republic reflecting its conflicted nature (on may matters other than this) "abolished titles" by making them part of a person's surname. Of course this is only officially observed in Germany, people are routinely addressed by their titles and letters etc. . . addressed in the pre-Weimar fashion.

If I recall correctly Georg Friedrich and Sophie's wedding was televised in Germany, certainly the funerals of Kaiserin Zita and Titular Kaiser Otto where televised not only in Austria but also many other parts of the former Hapsburg Empire.
 
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