Fraudulent Conservative Election!

[MPAsquared]

I found this article last night. After posting it with the C-36 thread, I realized everyone needs to see this!


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/25/305314/confirmed-canada-2011-polls-fraudulent/

Confirmed: Canada 2011 polls fraudulent


Sat May 25, 2013 9:18AM GMT
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The Canadian Federal Court has confirmed that the country’s 2011 federal election, which led to the victory of Stephen Harper's government, was fraudulent.


The court emphasized in a Thursday ruling that it has found in no uncertain terms that widespread election fraud took place during the vote.

The ruling also stated that “there was an orchestrated effort to suppress votes during the 2011 election campaign by a person with access to the [Conservative Party's] CIMS database.”

Accordingly, the Council of Canadians has called on the Conservative Party to investigate the issue. It says anything less at this point would be a cover-up on behalf of the Conservatives.

The Council of Canadians says that the non-cooperation, obstructionism, and attempts to disrupt the Federal Court case by the CIMS makes it look like Prime Minister Harper has something to conceal.

Garry Neil, Executive Director of the Council of Canadians said “This Federal Court decision is a major indictment of the Conservative Party of Canada.”

“Either senior leaders of the Conservative Party were directly involved in election fraud or they were astoundingly negligent in securing access to their voter database. Illegal or incompetent--just like in the Senate scandal.”

 

[Aardvark154]

^ First your link is bad, secondly this is an article from May 2013!

 

[TeasePlease]

The point is that election fraud was found to have occurred. But that wasn't the Council's objectiv. it had sought to overturn elections in six ridings. The federal court judge disagreed. If you read the headlines from back then, they actually said that the COC lost their court case. After which, the COC said they would not appeal to a higher court.

The COC is a thinly disguised PAC (if we had such things in Canada) of the left.

 

[MPAsquared]

Link fixed. Yes I can read. I know the date. Hardly the point of the story.

 

[nobody123]

Link fixed. Yes I can read. I know the date. Hardly the point of the story.

Yeah, but...
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[groggy]

Presstv is an Iranian site, takes a little while for them to get the news over here, I guess.

That said, the con's won the election with the aid of electoral fraud. They got away with it, but it was there. The COC has the info to claim that it could have been enough to give Harper his majority.
Harper has been caught cheating at elections before, remember the in and out scheme?

This year the media are all up in arms as Harper wants to be able to use anything he wants from tv, radio or print in his attack ads, so is asking for an exception to the copyright law.
I would expect this election to be just as dirty if not more dirty then the last one.
Harper is turning into a despot.
Silencing critics and scientists and sic'ing CRA on those who disagree with him.

 

[squeezer]

and for the rest of the story

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...vote-but-it-didnt-affect-outcome-judge-rules/

There was fraud but it didn't effect the results.

"Electoral fraud occurred during the last federal election, a federal court judge ruled on Thursday, but there is no proof that it affected the outcomes in six ridings at issue, so the elections will not be overturned."

Interesting when the rest of the story comes out.

What's interesting , that the Reform Party managed to get away with it??

 

[groggy]

and for the rest of the story

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...vote-but-it-didnt-affect-outcome-judge-rules/

There was fraud but it didn't effect the results.

"Electoral fraud occurred during the last federal election, a federal court judge ruled on Thursday, but there is no proof that it affected the outcomes in six ridings at issue, so the elections will not be overturned."

Interesting when the rest of the story comes out.

No, the judge ruled there was no proof that the outcome wasn't changed. And proving that is very hard to do even if you know its going on. That's quite different from saying that it didn't change the outcome.

Its still quite amazing to me that more wasn't made of this information:

“I am satisfied, however, that the most likely source of the information used to make the misleading calls was the CIMS database maintained and controlled by the CPC, accessed for that purpose by a person or persons currently unknown to this court.”

Someone high up in the con's orchestrated a national campaign of electoral fraud, which may or may not have changed the outcome though the COC think it did, and they got away with it.

 

[basketcase]

Presstv is an Iranian site, takes a little while for them to get the news over here, I guess.....

And considering the massive protests Iran (and violent suppression) has seen over elections such as in 2009, I hardly think their official opinion on fraudulent polls or democracy in general are very worthwhile.

Of course that (or religious oversight of candidates) hasn't stopped grog from calling Iran more democratic than Canada.

 

[johnhenrygalt]

What's interesting , that the Reform Party managed to get away with it??

You really are behind the times. The Reform Party was disbanded 14 and a half years ago.

 

[lovelatinas]

You really are behind the times. The Reform Party was disbanded 14 and a half years ago.

No they took over the Tories. Stephen Harper is a reform party Leader. Expect much the same in 2015 election.

 

[johnhenrygalt]

Stephen Harper was never leader of the Reform Party. Preston Manning was the one and only leader of the Reform Party.

 

[squeezer]

Stephen Harper was never leader of the Reform Party. Preston Manning was the one and only leader of the Reform Party.

Johnny johnny, you really need to get your facts straight if your going to support Harper and his minion of Reformers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper

Harper has been the Member of Parliament (MP) for the riding of Calgary Southwest in Alberta since 2002. Earlier, from 1993 to 1997, he was the MP for Calgary West. He was one of the founding members of the Reform Party, but did not seek re-election in the 1997 federal election. Harper instead joined and later led the National Citizens Coalition, a conservative lobbyist group.[1] In 2002, he succeeded Stockwell Day as leader of the Canadian Alliance (the successor to the Reform Party) and returned to parliament as Leader of the Opposition. In 2003, he reached an agreement with Progressive Conservative leader Peter MacKay for the merger of their two parties to form the Conservative Party of Canada. He was elected as the party's first non-interim leader in March 2004

We really don't make this stuff up. He was a um yeah a FOUNDING MEMBER.

Some folks here need to remove the right wing glasses and start looking beyond partisan lines.

 

[Evangeline Grace]

What some people seem to be missing is that regardless of how many seats he may have one fraudulently it was still fraud....

So if I steal one piece out of a pie and not the whole pie, I am not a thief? If you have $500 in your wallet and I only take $100, I didn't steal from you? Does it real matter, when dishonesty and fraud is fraud regardless? The point is a Federal court ruled the polls were fraudulent and that takes away democratic process from Canadians and yes that it scamming us. Bill C-36 contravenes the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and is being passed via backdoor tactics and leaving Canadians out of the decision making despite a Supreme court ruling in Canada vs. Bedford.... that is being a bully.

Even if the outcome is not affected, fraud can still have a damaging effect if not punished, as it can reduce voters' confidence in democracy. Even the perception of fraud can be damaging as it makes people less inclined to accept election results. Fraudulent elections can lead to the breakdown of democracy and the establishment or ratification of a dictatorship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud

 

[CapitalGuy]

Actually, its those who seek to suppress the will of the Canadian voter, simply because they don't like the victor, who are the ones who seek to suppress democracy and freedom. So, that would be the OP.

 

[HEYHEY]

Since politicians make promises that they never keep, wouldn`t that mean that ALL elections are fraudulent?

 

[Evangeline Grace]

Since politicians make promises that they never keep, wouldn`t that mean that ALL elections are fraudulent?

Yeah, I guess in someways they are lol... in this instance we were talking about tampering with the votes.

 

[squeezer]

So he is right. Harper never lead the Reform party. According to your information he is factually correct. I think it is rich when you talk about removing right wing glasses and looking beyond partisan lines when your anti conservative bias is so strong that you make claims that are factually wrong as a matter of record and not opinion.
He was never the leader of the reform party. Founding member =/= leader. Reform party =/= Alliance party even if they are very similar.

tomatoe tomato, if it quacks like a duck IT IS a duck. Founder, the Canadian Alliance Leader= Reform Party Leader!

I do not like this government with a majority, I didn't mind them so much with a minority. I have never voted for strictly one party and I call it as I see it.

One more thing,

VOTE JUSTIN 2015!

 

[K Douglas]

The Conservatives won the election fair and square. A few transgressions here and there does not a fraud make. I've never even heard of that link Emily and I can tell you the Council of Canadians is a left wing outfit that wouldn't know objectivity if it smacked them in the face.

We know that in 2015 the Conservatives will not get another majority. It will be a Liberal majority or minority and there is no question in my mind they will do nothing to repeal C-36.

 

[MPAsquared]

Actually, its those who seek to suppress the will of the Canadian voter, simply because they don't like the victor, who are the ones who seek to suppress democracy and freedom. So, that would be the OP.

Excuse me?? How on earth does that apply to me? Good lord.