George Galloway 'beaten over Israel comments'
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At the time of the charter the PLO was recognized internationally as the 'sole representative of the Palestinian people'.You think Palestinian terrorists represent "all Palestinians"?
Are you serious?
They represented all Palestinians.
Any state based on eliminating other religions is a bad idea in this day and age.
You should support the one state solution with equal rights for all, its the only just way.
So your position is that all Palestinians are terrorists.At the time of the charter the PLO was recognized internationally as the 'sole representative of the Palestinian people'.
They represented all Palestinians.
You should stop supporting the pathological hatred of Jews promoted by Hamas.You should support the one state solution with equal rights for all, its the only just way.
No, I'd just characterize that as racist hate speech on the Likud site.So your position is that all Palestinians are terrorists.
I thought you were against racist hate speech?
I would if that were true, but all we've seen here are MEMRI edited propaganda clips and talk from Hamas about Israeli policies.You should stop supporting the pathological hatred of Jews promoted by Hamas.
Talking politics isn't hate speech.
It's "racist" to refer to terrorist organizations as terrorists? That makes no sense.No, I'd just characterize that as racist hate speech on the Likud site.
I thought you were against racist hate speech?
Repeating blood libels and citing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a legitimate source is not "talking politics."I would if that were true, but all we've seen here are MEMRI edited propaganda clips and talk from Hamas about Israeli policies.
Talking politics isn't hate speech.
It's promoting hatred of the Jews for being Jewish.
You need to learn the difference.
Its racist to characterize a people as a race of assassins.It's "racist" to refer to terrorist organizations as terrorists? That makes no sense.
Not to mention saying that you're going to 'eliminate' them, that's a bit too 'soprano'...
The point being that both of those charters are equally as heinous.
Both call for taking all the land and killing lots of people.
If you're going to call one people racist you have to use the same standard and call both of them racist.
Welcome to Jihadi Kookville, population you. No sane person supports Hamas, they are a violent terrorist organizations dedicated to atrocity and war crime, bigotry, hate. They are an enemy of civilization and thoroughly evil by practically any widely accepted systems of ethics or morality.I would if that were true, but all we've seen here are MEMRI edited propaganda clips and talk from Hamas about Israeli policies.
Talking politics isn't hate speech.
Reasonable, moderate people on the pro-Palestinian side say things like they support Abbas and other moderates and hope that he can reign in the terrorists like Hamas. There are lots of people who support the Palestinians who think Hamas are reprehensible -- anyone who rejects violence, for example. Unreasonable, hate-mongering pro-violent bigots like you support Hamas -- and really, you should be arrested and jailed for that. I hope that you actually send them some money so that the RCMP can catch you and put you where you belong.
You are wacked out crazy hate monger, and not a very smart one -- you lies, and you lie stupidly. You go about promoting violence and then try and deny what you yourself said. It's pathetic.
The quote you provided didn't characterize "a people" as assassins. It said the PLO is an organization of assassins.Its racist to characterize a people as a race of assassins.
The only one who said the characterization applies to all Palestinians was you.
Your attempt at moral equivalency has been an utter failure.
Not every Palestinian is in the PLO or is a supporter of terrorism. By contrast, the Hamas charter is quite clear that it is promoting hatred of all Jews and it calls for the killing of Jews everywhere.
Thanks to the latest round of slaughter by Netanyahu, Hamas went from quite unpopular to way more popular then Abbas. You are now calling most of Palestinians 'crazy'.Welcome to Jihadi Kookville, population you. No sane person supports Hamas,
More racist, colonial attitudes from a troll stuck in the past.
The IRA turned from terrorism, Mandela turned from terrorism, but the merest mention of Hamas turning makes your blood boil and the insults fly.
I don't support terrorism, which is why I am heartened by their stated and moves away from terrorism.
Hopefully Hamas can push Abbas to allow them to follow through on the unity talks and election promise and whoever wins can represent Palestinians in more peaceful protest to end this colonial apartheid occupation.
I would prefer a one state solution with equal rights for all, but now that the two state solution is dead and Israel seems intent only on increasing its colonial land claims the only legal peaceful move left is Abbas' UN move followed by the ICC.
After that peace talks will be meaningless, and resistance to occupation and apartheid, preferably through BDS, will be left.
And all you offer is defence of concentration camps, malnutrition of toddlers and targeting of civilians.
Sure, call them all assassins, pledge to take all their land and kill all who resist through the PLO.The quote you provided didn't characterize "a people" as assassins. It said the PLO is an organization of assassins.
That's just like Hamas, characterize them as evil and claim the whole country.
Its exactly the same.
Yes, you do support terrorism. You spew lie and denials about the atrocity Hamas commits such as firing rockets at civilians, firing rockets from civilian areas, kidnappings and murders, bombings, and so on.The IRA turned from terrorism, Mandela turned from terrorism, but the merest mention of Hamas turning makes your blood boil and the insults fly.
I don't support terrorism, which is why I am heartened by their stated and moves away from terrorism.
If Hamas renounces terrorism I will welcome that, I have long said that the war criminals in Hamas should be offered a general amnesty for their crimes in exchange for an end to the violence.
But Hamas has not renounced violence, on the contrary it has publicly reiterated its dedication to war crime and atrocity, insisting that it will continue attacking civilians with rockets and other terrorist means.
Violence is not terrorism.If Hamas renounces terrorism I will welcome that, I have long said that the war criminals in Hamas should be offered a general amnesty for their crimes in exchange for an end to the violence.
But Hamas has not renounced violence, on the contrary it has publicly reiterated its dedication to war crime and atrocity, insisting that it will continue attacking civilians with rockets and other terrorist means.
Resistance to an illegal occupation is their right, as long as they don't target civilians.
Peaceful options are best, but until there are legit peace talks they are within their rights to resist the occupation.
The PLO for decades was a purely terrorist organization and PLO terrorists like Abbas carried out atrocities like the Munich Massacre. For decades the PLO and its fedayeen antecedents conducted cross border attacks on Israel targeting civilians, PLO activity which dragged Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon into wars with Israel.Sure, call them all assassins, pledge to take all their land and kill all who resist through the PLO.
That's just like Hamas, characterize them as evil and claim the whole country.
Its exactly the same.
In the last ten or fifteen years Fatah has moved more towards the political process and away from terrorism, and they deserve praise for that, but there is no value in denying that the group had a very long history of brutal terrorism.
Hamas actually broke from the PLO explicitly because of that shift towards political negotiation. Hamas refused to negotiate with Israel and carried out terrorist attacks, such as bombing a hotel, in order to disrupt peace talks.
You are certainly in running as fast as you can to avoid a simple question: Let's try again. What gets mentioned more, jews or zionism?Since I don't think you understand what "Zionism" means in the Hamas charter, I fixed your quote for you.
As for your question, I'm willing to acknowledge there are more references to the Jews' evil plot to take over the world.
I'm not sure what you think that proves. It's all Jew hatred.
On the contrary.
The evidence that Hamdan was promoting Jew hatred is overwhelming. Irrefutable, in fact.
And I might remind you that Hamdan was given more than six minutes on CNN to answer the question about whether or not he believes in the blood libel. He refused to retract it.
Similarly, you and Groggy have been offered numerous opportunities to provide an example of the type of context that might legitimize Hamdan's comments. Between the two of you, you came up with absolutely nothing.
It's a simple question. Why are so afraid of it?
As for Hamdan, if the evidence is so overwhelming why not present it? Did the dog eat the evidence? Did you leave it at home? You've already conceded that you have nothing to indicate what was said before, who was asking questions, or what was said after.
And Hamdan did refute it - he stated the MEMRI edited the video. And they did. They edited out the question he was responding to. They edited out the context. They edited out what was said after.
But if you don't think knowing what was said before, during, and after is important, I've got an example for you:
Now, why did you utter such a disgusting antisemitic slur?Jews slaughtered Christians in order to use their blood for Passover
Nowhere in the quote you provided did it "call them all" assassins. The quote was specific to the PLO.Sure, call them all assassins, pledge to take all their land and kill all who resist through the PLO.
Go back and try reading my response a little more slowly. I did answer it.You are certainly in running as fast as you can to avoid a simple question: Let's try again.
What planet are you on? The evidence has been provided numerous times.As for Hamdan, if the evidence is so overwhelming why not present it?
Sorry, Gryfin, but Hamdan's comments that the question wasn't shown, and the claim that he may have said something in addition to the four sentences where he said it is a historically proven "fact" that Jews slaughter Christians in order to use their blood for Passover, is NOT refuting that he said it. It would appear that "refute" is another word you need to look up.And Hamdan did refute it - he stated the MEMRI edited the video. And they did. They edited out the question he was responding to. They edited out the context. They edited out what was said after.
Finally!!Now, why did you utter such a disgusting antisemitic slur?
While Groggy continues to evade the question, at least Gryfin has acknowledged that such a statement is a "disgusting, antisemitic slur".
And since there is no dispute that Hamdan made such a statement, we can now agree that Hamdan was promoting Jew hatred.
It took much longer than it should have, but I'm glad to see that Gryfin is finally starting to understand.
The PLO represented all Palestinians at the time of the charter.Nowhere in the quote you provided did it "call them all" assassins. The quote was specific to the PLO.
Why are you defending racist statements?
