George Galloway 'beaten over Israel comments'

[gryfin]

I see that Groggy and Gryfin are still claiming that Hamdan's assertion that Jews slaughter Christians in order to use their blood for Passover might be perfectly acceptable within a given context.

The question remains, for either one (and neither of them will answer it): Tell us what you think that context was.

They won't answer the question because there is no answer. Hamdan was promoting Jew hatred. Groggy and Gryfin both know it.

You are right, the context was hidden by MEMRI. Nothing before. Nothing after. Just like your quote. But, not knowing the context didn't stop a dopey zionist did it? That leaves you as an antisemite if we apply the same standards to you.

 

[Moviefan-2]

You are right, the context was hidden by MEMRI. Nothing before. Nothing after. Just like your quote. But, not knowing the context didn't stop a dopey zionist did it? That leaves you as an antisemite if we apply the same standards to you.

That's hilarious. The context was "hidden."

Face reality, Gryfin. There is no context that can justify Hamdan's Jew hatred (and he said more than just one sentence). And you know it.

 

[gryfin]

Try reading the Hamas charter. According to Hamas, the word "Zionist" refers to the evil plot by the Jews to take over the world.

Why do the references to the Jews' evil plot for world domination come up so often in the charter? Because Hamas has a pathological hatred of Jews that has nothing to do with the State of Israel or Israeli policies.

Really? Let's make a comparison. What get's mentioned more, Jews or Zionism? That should put this argument to rest.

 

[gryfin]

That's hilarious. The context was "hidden."

Face reality, Gryfin. There is no context that can justify Hamdan's Jew hatred (and he said more than just one sentence). And you know it.

Then tell us the context and tell us how you know? Who was he speaking to and what was the question he was answering?

This will be a test of your grip on reality.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Then tell us the context and tell us how you know? Who was he speaking to and what was the question he was answering?

It doesn't matter who he was speaking with and what question he was asked. Here is what he said:

-- That the Jews slaughter Christians in order to use their blood for Passover.
-- That it is something his audience would all remember.
-- That it is a fact.
-- That it has been confirmed in the Jews' books and by history.

The context is unequivocally clear: He was promoting hatred against the Jews for being Jewish.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Really? Let's make a comparison. What get's mentioned more, Jews or Zionism? That should put this argument to rest.

You evaded the point. The references to "Zionism" and to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are references to Hamas' belief that the Jews are plotting to take over the world.

You keep citing this. Does this mean that you agree with Hamas that the Jews are plotting to take over the world?

 

[gryfin]

You evaded the point. The references to "Zionism" and to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are references to Hamas' belief that the Jews are plotting to take over the world.

You keep citing this. Does this mean that you agree with Hamas that the Jews are plotting to take over the world?

On the contrary, everyone can see you avoiding simple facts. Let's try again. What gets mentioned more, jews or zionism?
It's a simple question.

 

[gryfin]

It doesn't matter who he was speaking with and what question he was asked. Here is what he said:

-- That the Jews slaughter Christians in order to use their blood for Passover.
-- That it is something his audience would all remember.
-- That it is a fact.
-- That it has been confirmed in the Jews' books and by history.

The context is unequivocally clear: He was promoting hatred against the Jews for being Jewish.

So you finally concede that you don't have a shred of evidence to support your claim that he was stating this to be his beliefs. That's not much of a grip on reality.

And since you don't feel what was said before or after matters, you are then just as guilty of antisemitism have uttered the same antisemitic slur.

 

[fuji]

Meanwhile CNN fact checkers confirmed the quote is correct.

 

[Moviefan-2]

What gets mentioned more, jews or (the references to the Jews' evil plot to take over the world)?
It's a simple question.

Since I don't think you understand what "Zionism" means in the Hamas charter, I fixed your quote for you.

As for your question, I'm willing to acknowledge there are more references to the Jews' evil plot to take over the world.

I'm not sure what you think that proves. It's all Jew hatred.

So you finally concede that you don't have a shred of evidence to support your claim that he was stating this to be his beliefs.

On the contrary.

The evidence that Hamdan was promoting Jew hatred is overwhelming. Irrefutable, in fact.

And I might remind you that Hamdan was given more than six minutes on CNN to answer the question about whether or not he believes in the blood libel. He refused to retract it.

Similarly, you and Groggy have been offered numerous opportunities to provide an example of the type of context that might legitimize Hamdan's comments. Between the two of you, you came up with absolutely nothing.

 

[groggy]

Since I don't think you understand what "Zionism" means in the Hamas charter, I fixed your quote for you.

You have inside information on what the Hamas charter means?
Let me guess, did it come from MEMRI?

 

[fuji]

You have inside information on what the Hamas charter means?
Let me guess, did it come from MEMRI?

Read it for yourself. Pick any translation you like. It is vile.

 

[groggy]

Read it for yourself. Pick any translation you like. It is vile.

Is it time for a Likud vs Hamas charter comparison?
Neither will come of well.

 

[Moviefan-2]

You have inside information on what the Hamas charter means?

Here is a quote from Article 32 of the Hamas Covenant:

Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.

Apparently, the Jews are planning world domination as embodied in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Not to mention other points in the Hamas covenant, such as the claim that Jews started both world wars, etc.

I don't need "inside information". I know what exactly what such Jew hatred means.

 

[fuji]

Is it time for a Likud vs Hamas charter comparison?
Neither will come of well.

Likud doesn't have a private army that attacks civilians, it is subject to the will of the whole Knesset, and subject to the Israeli Basic Law. You don't get democracy.

 

[groggy]

Here is a quote from Article 32 of the Hamas Covenant:

Right, not much different from this:

a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.

b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel and frustrates any prospect of peace.

Any state based on eliminating other religions is a bad idea in this day and age.
You should support the one state solution with equal rights for all, its the only just way.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Right, not much different from this:


Any state based on eliminating other religions is a bad idea in this day and age.
You should support the one state solution with equal rights for all, its the only just way.

A complete evasion.

The references from the Hamas charter, including the "Zionist" parts that Gryfin likes, speak to the fact that Hamas is driven by a pathological hatred of Jews.

Not just Jewish states. All Jews. Hamas hates Jews and wants them to be killed for being Jewish.

 

[groggy]

Likud doesn't have a private army that attacks civilians,

Its called the IDF.

 

[fuji]

Its called the IDF.

IDF doesn't work for Likud, moron.

 

[groggy]

he references from the Hamas charter, including the "Zionist" parts that Gryfin likes, speak to the fact that Hamas is driven by a pathological hatred of Jews.

Not just Jewish states. All Jews. Hamas hates Jews and wants them to be killed for being Jewish.

Oh, sort of like this:

The PLO is no national liberation organization but an organization of assassins, which the Arab countries use as a political and military tool, while also serving the interests of Soviet imperialism, to stir up the area. Its aim is to liquidate the State of Israel, set up an Arab country instead and make the Land of Israel part of the Arab world. The Likud government will strive to eliminate these murderous organizations in order to prevent them from carrying out their bloody deeds

Sounds like they hate all Palestinians and want to kill them all to create their eretz Israel.
Same difference.

Any state based on eliminating other religions is a bad idea in this day and age.
You should support the one state solution with equal rights for all, its the only just way.