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groggy

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I see you have totally run away from the hate lies you were exposed telling. Now you want to move on to a new topic to incite hatred.

Not so fast. Retract your lie about Feiglin and acknowledge that CNN fact checked the Hamdan quote.
Feiglin confirmed his plans on CNN, which Blitzer described to him as 'concentration camps'.
He's just part of this new wave you support for fascism.

Hannibal Directive is the beginning of fascism in Israel
Op-ed: Protocol promoting idea that a soldier's life is expendable for good of state is one manifestation of growing fascism, fed by Benjamin Netanyahu.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4557951,00.html

Why are you supporting fascism?
What part of 'never again' do you not understand?
 

Moviefan-2

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Hamdan confirmed that they weren't his words...
Bullfeathers. He said no such thing.

In fact, when he was given the opportunity to refute the statement, he refused and claimed "the church" would support what he said.

What he claimed was that the tape had been edited so that you didn't hear the question that came before his blood libel. As if that would have made any difference.

He was just pandering to people in the West that Hamas considers to be useful idiots. Like you, for example.
 

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Exactly.

Given MEMRI's history, why do you still doubt Hamdan's denial?
Are you such a colonial racist that you believe propagandists MEMRI over the man who spoke?
Funny thing about MEMRI's history, they had one translation that was found inaccurate out of thousands. Meanwhile you are inaccurate in pretty much every post you make.
 

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Not quite. You cut my sentence to remove the part about what Hamdan said had been edited out.

He said the interviewer's question was missing. There is no dispute that Hamdan's response -- the blood libel -- has been translated and interpreted accurately. Hamdan didn't dispute that.
 

Moviefan-2

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Oh, are you saying that edited conversations aren't accurate or don't respect the speakers words?
Is that what you are saying?
You're a little too precious your for your own good.

In case you have forgotten, Hamdan's clip -- which has not been doctored -- was comprised of four sentences, not half of one sentence.

In addition to stating that Jews slaughtered Christians in order to use their blood for Passover, he also said:

-- It was something his TV audience would "all remember".

-- That it is "a fact".

-- That it has been confirmed in the Jews' own books and by history.

What do you think was edited out that could possibly change things? That he was "just kidding"? Maybe he finished by saying "April Fool's"?

Get real. Unlike your sawed-off half-quote of what I said, there is sufficient context in Hamdan's clip to know exactly what he was saying.

And remember this: When Wolf Blitzer asked him if he actually believed what he had said, he refused to refute a single word of it.
 

groggy

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What he claimed was that the tape had been edited
You're a little too precious your for your own good.

In case you have forgotten, Hamdan's clip -- which has not been doctored

So lets see, you get upset with me if I edit your replies but don't care if Hamdan gets upset if his are edited?
And you believe know fakers MEMRI over the man who said the words?

How many levels can you sink on this one?
How hypocritical can you get?
 

Moviefan-2

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So lets see, you get upset with me if I edit your replies but don't care if Hamdan gets upset if his are edited?
And you believe know fakers MEMRI over the man who said the words?
You and Gryfin practice very similar forms of evasion. One of your tactics is responding with nothing but questions.

If you're going to make the assertion, back it up.

You say there was something else that Hamdan said that would justify his statement about Jews slaughtering Christians in order to use their blood for Passover. Tell us what it was.
 

groggy

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You and Gryfin practice very similar forms of evasion. One of your tactics is responding with nothing but questions.

If you're going to make the assertion, back it up.

You say there was something else that Hamdan said that would justify his statement about Jews slaughtering Christians in order to use their blood for Passover. Tell us what it was.

An evasion?
You're using an evasion?

And why would anyone try to justify what MEMRI claims Hamdan said had basis? Its MEMRI, after all, not Hamdan.


What have we learned here?
Hamdan claims his words were edited.
MEMRI did the editing and has a history of intentional mistranslations
MF2 sides with MEMRI

MF2 claims a reply to his post was edited and not to his liking.
He claims its not fair, but that its still fair to use MEMRI's edited quotes

MF2 admits Hamdan complained about policy, including a proposal for concentration camps
MF2 is more upset about MEMRI's claimed statements then a real call for concentration camps.


Moviefan-2 is a hypocrite.
 

Moviefan-2

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A whole lot of blather from Groggy.

And yet -- as expected -- he refused to answer my question.

Groggy insists that if we had more information from Hamdan's interview, we would see a context that would somehow explain Hamdan's assertion that Jews slaughter Christians to use their blood for Passover, that such actions are something his TV audience would "all remember," that it is "a fact" that Jews slaughter Christians to use their blood for Passover, and that this has been confirmed in the Jews' books and by history.

Quite the assertions.

Groggy was challenged to explain what other sentences could possibly make such statements acceptable. Naturally, he came up with absolutely nothing.

Because there is nothing.

Nor is there any good explanation for the citing of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Hamas' charter, and the charter's assertion that the evil Jews seek total domination of the world.

The only explanation for such statements is a deep, intense hatred of Jews that has nothing to do with Israeli policies, occupied territories, or Zionism.

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I don't really care what Groggy wants to post on TERB.

But unless he is a devout anti-Semite, he really needs to spend some time thinking about what Hamas actually stands for (not what he would like to believe) and whether he is truly willing to defend such intense Jew hatred.

He can post what he likes. But if he is a person of good conscience, he needs to stop lying to himself.
 

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Feiglin confirmed his plans on CNN, which Blitzer described to him as 'concentration camps'.
Right here is proof that you are a completely dishonest and blatant liar. Blitzed asked him if that is what he said and he explained his plan for a safe haven. Per YOUR DEFINITION his proposal is nothing even remotely like a concentration camp. In fact the only similarity is that they are camps, a summer camp is more similar than a concentration camp.

You are living proof that criticism is Israel is based on blatant lying. You don't even care that everyone knows you are lying, you figure so long as you are making hateful noises that they are two sides.

You are completely repudiated as a human being.
 

groggy

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Right here is proof that you are a completely dishonest and blatant liar. Blitzed asked him if that is what he said and he explained his plan for a safe haven.
Right, and where have we heard that line before?
Let me think, oh yes.

Paradise camp.

So you think Feiglin is building a 'Paradise camp'?
 

groggy

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Groggy insists that if we had more information from Hamdan's interview, we would see a context that would somehow explain Hamdan's assertion that Jews slaughter Christians to use their blood for Passover, that such actions are something his TV audience would "all remember," that it is "a fact" that Jews slaughter Christians to use their blood for Passover, and that this has been confirmed in the Jews' books and by history.
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Straw man argument.
That is not 'what I insist'.
You are being as dishonest as MEMRI.
I detect a pattern.
 

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Feiglin proposed a refugeee camp. You are just a blatant liar and everyone here can see it -- you are a fool, and you do great damage to the Palestinian cause by associating it with your fundamental dishonesty.
 

Moviefan-2

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Straw man argument.
That is not 'what I insist'.
You are being as dishonest as MEMRI.
I detect a pattern.
Really?

Let's review the known facts:

-- We know the clip comes from an actual interview that Hamdan gave on al-Quds TV.

-- We know the clip hasn't been altered -- there are no jump cuts, no dissolves, no cutaway shots, and the video and audio are in sync.

-- We know the English translation was fact-checked by CNN and is accurate.

Thus, we know that Hamdan said the "blood libel" that is in the clip, along with his assertions that it is "a fact" that can be proven through books, etc.

You keep saying the clip was "edited," which can only be a reference to the fact that other things were said in the question and answer -- since the clip itself wasn't altered.

If your assertion doesn't mean what I described, what does it mean?

The reality, of course, is that you have no answer. You just keep throwing around words like "edited" (which, in this case, means not including the interviewer's question) and your discredited insinuations that the clip wasn't properly translated to try to create false doubts about something that you know is true.

You won't tell us what you think was "edited" out that would make any difference -- because there is nothing that would make any difference.

And that's the real issue.

You know that Hamdan, as a leading spokesman for Hamas, was promoting hatred against Jews for being Jewish. Not only has the accuracy of the clip been confirmed, but Hamdan's blood libel is entirely consistent with the Jew hatred promoted throughout Hamas' charter (eg., the charter's reference to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a legitimate source).

You know the clip is legit.
 

groggy

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Feiglin proposed a refugeee camp. You are just a blatant liar and everyone here can see it -- you are a fool, and you do great damage to the Palestinian cause by associating it with your fundamental dishonesty.
What Feiglin proposed isn't a one time wacko plan. Its been talked about, including by you in a form, and by others in government for at least a decade. Even the label 'concentration camp' has been applied before, though not only for camps in the Sinai but as a label for all of Gaza. In 2004 the director of NSC, Eiland told the US ambassador that Gaza was a giant concentration camp and that the plan was to work with Egypt to create more camps in the desert for Palestinians.

Repeating a personal view that he had previously
expressed to other USG visitors, NSC Director Eiland laid out
for Ambassador Djerejian a different end-game solution than
that which is commonly envisioned as the two-state solution.
Eiland's view, he said, was prefaced on the assumption that
demographic and other considerations make the prospect for a
two-state solution between the Jordan and the Mediterranean
unviable. Currently, he said, there are 11 million people in
Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip, and that number will
increase to 36 million in 50 years. The area between Beer
Sheva and the northern tip of Israel (including the West Bank
and Gaza) has the highest population density in the world.
Gaza alone, he said, is already "a huge concentration camp"
with 1.3 million Palestinians.
Moreover, the land is
surrounded on three sides by deserts. Palestinians need more
land and Israel can ill-afford to cede it. The solution, he
argued, lies in the Sinai desert.

¶13. (C) Specifically, Eiland proposed that Egypt be persuaded
to contribute a 600 square kilometer parcel of land that
would be annexed to a future Palestinian state as
compensation for the 11 percent of the West Bank that Israel
would seek to annex in a final status agreement. This Sinai
block, 20 kms of which would be along the Mediterranean
coast, would be adjacent to the Gaza Strip. A land corridor
would be constructed connecting Egypt and this block to
Jordan. (Note: Presumably under Egyptian sovereignty. End
Note.) In addition, Israel would provide Egypt a 200 square
km block of land from further south in the Negev. Eiland
laid out the following advantages to his proposed solution:

-- For the Palestinians: The additional land would make Gaza
viable. It would be big enough to support a new port and
airport, and to allow for the construction of a new city, all
of which would help make Gaza economically viable. It would
provide sufficient space to support the return of Palestinian
refugees. In addition, the 20 km along the sea would
increase fishing rights and would allow for the exploration
of natural gas reserves. Eiland argued that the benefits
offered by this parcel of land are far more favorable to the
Palestinians than would be parcels Israel could offer from
the land-locked Negev.

-- For Egypt: Israel would compensate Egypt with a parcel of
land on a 1:3 ratio, which is the ratio of the size of Israel
to the Sinai. Egypt would enjoy the land corridor to Jordan,
thereby controlling the shortest distance between Jordan and
Saudi Arabia to Europe.

-- For Jordan: The greater the capacity of the Gaza Strip to
absorb Palestinian refugees, the fewer the number of refugees
who would "return" to settle in the West Bank, thereby
resulting in less pressure on Jordan. Jordan would also
benefit economically from the land bridge.

¶14. (C) Eiland, having previously debated the merits of this
proposal with Ambassador Kurtzer, conceded the point that
Egyptian President Mubarak "would never agree" to it, and he
also took the point that in negotiating the Israel-Egypt
peace treaty Israel had foregone the entire Sinai and
accepted the Palestinian issue as an "Israeli" problem. He
nonetheless refused to be dissuaded from exploring the idea,
noting that he had reason to believe that Prime Minister
Sharon would support such a proposal, if it were tabled by a
third party.
https://wikileaks.org/cable/2004/03/04TELAVIV1952.html


At least he claims this is a personal view and realized Egypt would never go along with it.
 

fuji

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Now you are citing a plan to give the a Palestinians MORE LAND so that they can have a viable state?

Log off, shut off your computer, and never use the internet again. You are too pathetic to even exist, you must be a troll.

Nobody could be as stupid as you are.
 

groggy

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Now you are citing a plan to give the a Palestinians MORE LAND so that they can have a viable state?

Log off, shut off your computer, and never use the internet again. You are too pathetic to even exist, you must be a troll.

Nobody could be as stupid as you are.
Ah, why am I not surprised that you support this wikileaks document?
It does call Gaza a 'concentration camp' and then does also, similar to Feiglin, propose a plan to ethnically cleanse Palestinian's into 'camps' in the desert.
I had no idea that your support of paradise camps was so complete, though, that is a bit surprising.


This is the second reference here from Israeli politicians to 'concentration camps' for Palestinians.
Pattern?
 

fuji

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Groggy if you think people can't read the context of that phrasefor themselves you are STUPID. It has nothing to do with any plan to put Palestinians in a concentration camp, it was a facetious reference to Gaza being overcrowded, the speaker desiring to give them MORE LAND.

In particular it was a generous offer from Israel to give up land to Egypt in exchange for Egypt giving the Sinai to the Palestinians.

Are you against the Palestinians getting more land?

You must have a degenerative brain disease, you get stupider and stupider.
 
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