How does a "NO" to Scottish independence effect the Quebec separatist movement?

[Ceiling Cat]

How does a "NO" to Scottish independence effect the Quebec separatist movement?

There are members of the Quebec Parti Quebecois separatist movement that have went to Scotland to observe the vote for Scottish independence. No doubt they will be crying all the way back across the Atlantic. Will a No vote in Scotland put a damper on the Quebec separatist movement?

 

[Big Sleazy]

The vote will be rigged just like the Separation vote in Quebec was and the US elections. And others. Including ours. So it really doesn't matter what the people want. The Globalists will fix things just like they always do.

BS

 

[james t kirk]

The Scottish referendum was completely different than the Quebec referendum.

Quebec already enjoys the powers that Westminster is only now talking about granting Scotland. In fact, it's pretty much always been like that in Canada. We are a confederation. The provinces have the right to enact their own legal systems and raise their own taxes and govern accordingly. Scotland does not. In fact, Scotland only gained its own parliament in 1999 and they do not have the right to raise their own taxes or pass laws unique to themselves. What Scotland wants, Quebec already has.

The Scottish referendum was all about politics, economics, and the rule of law.

Contrast this to Quebec where the referendums are always about nationalism. The Quebec Nation. It's all about protecting the French language and the Quebec Culture.

Quebec Nationalism is all about franco Quebecers and it is an exclusive club. If you aren't a "la purelaine", you aren't welcome in the club. In fact, when Mme Marois visited Scotland back in January of 2013 (if I recall), she was given the cold shoulder by the Scottish nationalists because she was viewed as a racist and a bigot. (Both of which are true.)

Whereas Scottish nationalism welcomes you regardless of your ethnic background, religion, or what you wear, Quebec nationalism is the exact opposite.

The two goals may be the same - an independent Quebec or Scotland, the reasons are altogether different.

 

[oldjones]

A very nice summation, james.

 

[Aardvark154]

The Scottish referendum was completely different than the Quebec referendum.

Quebec already enjoys the powers that Westminster is only now talking about granting Scotland. In fact, it's pretty much always been like that in Canada. We are a confederation. The provinces have the right to enact their own legal systems and raise their own taxes and govern accordingly. Scotland does not. In fact, Scotland only gained its own parliament in 1999 and they do not have the right to raise their own taxes or pass laws unique to themselves. What Scotland wants, Quebec already has.

The Scottish referendum was all about politics, economics, and the rule of law.

Contrast this to Quebec where the referendums are always about nationalism.

In part.

There was a strong, very strong element of hate the English in the Yes campaign.

Scotland has always had its own legal system distinct from the Common Law in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. The retention of Scots Law was one of the provisions of the Act of Union.

 

[DirtyDaveII]

The biggest difference is Scotland wants to separate while the french use it as a ploy to suck more money and power from the rest of Canada. All the frenchmen collectively shit their pants when the referendum almost went through in the 90s because they were not prepared at all as they did not ever think it would go through, nor did they want it to. Why would they leave the best suckling spot on her majesties tit?

 

[Ceiling Cat]

The No to Scottish independance was a big kick in the crotch to the Quebec seperatist.

 

[SkyRider]

The biggest difference is Scotland wants to separate while the french use it as a ploy to suck more money and power from the rest of Canada. All the frenchmen collectively shit their pants when the referendum almost went through in the 90s because they were not prepared at all as they did not ever think it would go through, nor did they want it to. Why would they leave the best suckling spot on her majesties tit?

An independent Scotland would be successful because the Scots are frugal and competent. Doubt we can say the same about an independent Quebec.

 

[danmand]

An independent Scotland would be successful because the Scots are frugal and competent. Doubt we can say the same about an independent Quebec.

I dunno, but they make good cheese.

 

[fuji]

I think the big impact is the precedent it set around the process, namely a clear question and the clear expectation that separation would be negotiated after a yes vote.

"Should Quebec be an independent country?"

That should be the question in any future referendum, not some convoluted double negative with caveats.

 

[Coors]

There really isn't a "movement" in Quebec at the moment. A very small percentage of fringe Quebecois will always support the idea of separation but there is no interest or appetite among the general population for sovereignty association, independence, separation etc. If anything the non-event in Scotland will just reaffirm these feelings in Quebec.

 

[thirdcup]

The vote will be rigged just like the Separation vote in Quebec was and the US elections. And others. Including ours. So it really doesn't matter what the people want. The Globalists will fix things just like they always do.

BS

“If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal,” is an oft-cited sentiment attributed to anarchist Emma Goldman.

An election isn't decided by the people who cast the votes. It's decided by the people who count the votes. - Joseph Stalin

In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.
-Lewis Black

I don't know if these quotes are cynical or merely realistic. You decide.

 

[mandrill]

it turns out the most accurate predictor of the Scottish referendum result was Grindr, the hook-up app for gay and bisexual men.

By now it’s clear that Scotland has voted 55% to 45% to remain as part of the United Kingdom, but Edinburgh’s gay men could have told us that yesterday.

Tom Court asked users of the app located in the Scottish capital how they were planning to vote in the referendum – which is certainly a better opening gambit than “a/s/l?”

Court’s findings predicted a 56% no vote, according to a sample of 655 men. This was a more accurate prediction than many of the final night polls. Ipsos Mori’s final poll gave the no camp a 53% lead, as did Survation; YouGov predicted 52% to 48%.

Court has broken down the figures into two groups: men whose avatars were of their faces, and those whose avatars consisted of, er, other parts of the anatomy. Or, as he calls it; “the headless torso demographic”.

Interestingly, the “headless torso demographic” voted for independence, with 51% of the vote going to yes.

Some Grindr users – the app describes itself as “the largest and most popular all-male location-based social network out there”– seemed somewhat perplexed to be asked about their stance on politics. http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...social-media-polling-grindr-results?CMP=fb_gu

There appears to be a strong correlation between brains and the "no" vote, I guess. Or perhaps, just a strong correlation between the "yes" vote and big dicks.....

 

[mandrill]

Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.

In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms. Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.

Afshin Rattansi, the presenter of RT's Going Underground show, said there were "international considerations", such as the UK's nuclear deterrent, which had affected the outcome. He said: "With the vote as close as this, with the mainstream media on one side, with a massive amount of people from Westminster running up to beg Scotland the other way, and certain recounts in certain bits of the poll, which way did the vote go, really?"

He added: "It is normally the sort of turnout you would expect in North Korea. Usually media here would go 'we don't believe it. How can it be nearly 90%?'"

On Friday the Donetsk People's Republic - the Ukrainian rebel enclave - said that it, too, believed the Scottish referendum had been falsified. Miroslav Rudenko, a member of the republic's self-declared supreme council, said he suspected the UK government was guilty of foul play. "I don't rule out that the British authorities have falsified the results of this referendum. The difference between those who voted in favour of independence and against it is not so great," he told the Russian news agency Interfax. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum?CMP=fb_gu

And of course, V'Laddie MacPutin has protested the result and alleged that the Scottish referendum - apparently unlike Russia's elections which last returned a parliament somehow almost entirely composed of pro Putin deputies - may have been fixed.

 

[SkyRider]

A very small percentage of fringe Quebecois will always support the idea of separation

Virtually all of them are teachers or government employees because they think their jobs will still be safe in an independent Quebec.

 

[Aardvark154]

I dunno, but they make good cheese.

So does Vermont.

Although frankly English Stilton is still the sine qua non.