pathetic USA, again

[BlueLaser]

My question is, was that totally nessasary ??? If you agree, to the way LE conducted themselves, then I believe, you live in fear.

If you don't answer my question, how can you turn around and ask if I think it was necessary?

What military gear do you see?

I see cops in normal dress with added kevlar helmets. One has a ballistic shield. Do I think helmets and a ballistic shield were necessary? Maybe not. But it's helmets and a shield. When you say "military hardware" I picture my days in the military. I'm looking for TICCS radios, lash comms, ballistic goggles, grenades... an APC at least. These show up in an SUV, stick some helmets on, grab a shotgun from the back and pull out a shield, but you make it sound like the Navy SEALs have descended on his house.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people serving a warrant on a man with a history of dangerous, violent behavior to put on a helmet and whip out a shield, no. Do you?

 

[demien2k5]

I don't think it's unreasonable for people serving a warrant on a man with a history of dangerous, violent behavior to put on a helmet and whip out a shield, no. Do you?

Nope. Works for Captain America.

 

[BlueLaser]

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Why not, what do you think would happen?? I'm curious? You know what, nothing would happen!!!

So no one ever serving a warrant for a mundane action has been attacked or killed?

Chief Pimentel in Texas, doesn't count? He was serving an arrest warrant for public mischief. Over graffiti. Officer Dinwiddie doesn't could either? Or Officer Tevon Smith of Baltimore? The 4 SWAT team members in Indianapolis that were shot while serving a warrant, that never happened either? What about the unnamed Edmonton PC that was shot serving a warrant in May? I could keep going with my list, but I think Google will you show that serving warrants can be pretty dangerous. Sending an unnarmed rookie seems like a really bad idea.

 

[MRBJX]

Yes, police served a warrant, that was lawfully issued by a judge, because the individual failed to comply with the laws of the state. Am I missing something here? What's this evidence of other than some whiney hag who decided to nag and nag and nag was told to shut up after her incessant yammering and a bunch of cops serving a warrant?

Did you miss the "tank"? You must have, no rational person would say this if they saw the tank.
Take a look again, its there. I'll wait till you get back.
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So....is that how american serve and execute a warrant..did you hear their yabber too?

 

[BlueLaser]

Did you miss the "tank"? You must have, no rational person would say this if they saw the tank.
Take a look again, its there. I'll wait till you get back.
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So....is that how american serve and execute a warrant..did you hear their yabber too?

Tank:

Not a tank:

Do you really not see a difference?

 

[Titalian]

So no one ever serving a warrant for a mundane action has been attacked or killed?

Chief Pimentel in Texas, doesn't count? He was serving an arrest warrant for public mischief. Over graffiti. Officer Dinwiddie doesn't could either? Or Officer Tevon Smith of Baltimore? The 4 SWAT team members in Indianapolis that were shot while serving a warrant, that never happened either? What about the unnamed Edmonton PC that was shot serving a warrant in May? I could keep going with my list, but I think Google will you show that serving warrants can be pretty dangerous. Sending an unnarmed rookie seems like a really bad idea.

Most of your comments are based out of US cities, which are riddled with crime and might I add discrimination. Its no wonder, its in the state its in.
Anyways last time I heard I live in Canada. There's an interesting documentary by Micheal Moore that you should listen to about how Canadians conduct their every day lives as compared to the US.
Might be interesting for you.

 

[Titalian]

Nope. Works for Captain America.

No sir, you are Captain America. After all you are American arn't you???

 

[MRBJX]

While I far from disagree with the point you raise, the problem is that the increasing use of military gear is driven by the increasing violence that has been associated with the serving of arrest warrants, drug raids etc. . . This has not happened in a vacuum.

It has happened in a vacuum where intelligence doesn't exist, politics does exist, and a military mindset that has been so successful around the world (sarcasm) fuels.

In america, they spend more on making prisons, than on making schools.
In america, they create "better" criminals, while they are in prison so they can re-offend.
America embraces its failure as its successes.
America should be deeply ashamed of itself , it has become socially retarded, and myopic, not in all of its people, but in most of its people, and sadly in its leaders.

The war will not be won with a bigger gun. It will not be won at all.

 

[Titalian]

It has happened in a vacuum where intelligence doesn't exist, politics does exist, and a military mindset that has been so successful around the world (sarcasm) fuels.

In america, they spend more on making prisons, than on making schools.
In america, they create "better" criminals, while they are in prison so they can re-offend.
America embraces its failure as its successes.
America should be deeply ashamed of itself , it has become socially retarded, and myopic, not in all of its people, but in most of its people, and sadly in its leaders.

The war will not be won with a bigger gun. It will not be won at all.

Thank you for this.

 

[MRBJX]

Tank:

Do you really not see a difference?

I said "TANK" not TANK....is there a name for these things? Cuz they sure aren't cop cars or your everday hummer wannabe.

 

[Aardvark154]

I said "TANK" not TANK....is there a name for these things?

Do you mean MRAP: Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle?

 

[BlueLaser]

Most of your comments are based out of US cities, which are riddled with crime and might I add discrimination. Its no wonder, its in the state its in.
Anyways last time I heard I live in Canada. There's an interesting documentary by Micheal Moore that you should listen to about how Canadians conduct their every day lives as compared to the US.
Might be interesting for you.

I guess it's a good thing this thread is about an incident that took place in Canada then.

Oh wait, no it's not.

 

[diehard]

tank

 

[BlueLaser]

I said "TANK" not TANK....is there a name for these things? Cuz they sure aren't cop cars or your everday hummer wannabe.

And to you that looks more like a tank than a Hummer? If you were playing a game of "one of these things is not like the others", and I showed you that, an SUV and a tank, you'd pick the SUV as the least common? You think that looks more like a military tank than any civilian vehicle you've ever seen? Let's play that game. Which of these 3 vehicles stands out as the least like the other 2:

1) Lenco BearCat.

2) Standard Amroured Truck

3) M1A2 Abrams Tank

You're going to go with the Brink's Truck? That's the standout? If we made it 4 vehicles and I shoved this in the list as 4:

You'd say that that 1 and 3 look the most alike, not 1 and 2, or 1 and 4, or even 1, 2 and 4? Because I think you'd be alone there.

Lenco BearCat, believe it or not, is a truck. It's built a truck chassis, it has a truck frame. It's armoured, sure. And it's design is for the transport of people, aka personnel. So technically, Lenco calls it an "armored personnel carrier". But to me, that conjures this image:

It's not incorrect to call it that I suppose, but it's not what I picture. Nonetheless, an APC is still not a tank. Heck, a light assault vehicle:

isn't a tank either. Neither is a HMMVW. In fact, even an infantry fighting vehicle isn't considered a tank:

Now if they police had showed up in an M2 Bradley, I would've let you get away with calling it a tank. Even if they showed up in a repurposed M113 (which some police have), I wouldn't have been an ass about it. But a bearcat? You're going to call that a tank? You honestly think I believe that to you it looks more like a tank than a HUMMER? C'mon. Even I know you can't possibly mean that.

 

[BlueLaser]

tank

Neither of those are tanks.

Google "tank definition"

"a heavy armored fighting vehicle carrying guns and moving on a continuous articulated metal track."

Neither of those is on a continuous articulated metal track. Also, while google doesn't include it, the military definition of tank requires it have a large bore cannon. Hence why IFVs, which are tracked and do have a cannon, are not considered tanks by the military, rather they're IFVs. But by any definition, military or civilian, neither of those things you linked (both of which are built on truck chassis), are tanks.

 

[Aardvark154]

MRAP: Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle = BearCat

 

[BlueLaser]

Probably a good idea because the guy would be likely to mine his own driveway.

Probably the vehicle assigned to their unit. You want them to go to the motor pool, jump through the hoops of getting another vehicle just because this one "isn't necessary" for this particular warrant? What if they just came from carrying out a search warrant against a gang hideout? What if right after they've they're going to execute a search warrant for suspected terrorist activity including anti-vehicle rockets and grenades? You want them to go back and forth and back forth because this is excessive for one particular scenario? We have no idea what the background is here, why do you care which truck they show up in? How does it matter?

 

[Aardvark154]

Main Battle Tank:

U.S. M1A2 Abrams

IDF Merkava (literally means Chariot)

 

[diehard]

 

[BlueLaser]

Yes, Tiger I. That's a tank. 54 tonnes, 88mm cannon, 2 medium machine guns, smoke cannisters, tracks.