I don't know where this desert crap came from but they are refugees because the Arab states refuse to abide by the UN Convention on Refugees. Under that Convention, refugees are entitled the right to be integrated and refugees status does not pass on to children.
Why are the Israel/Hamas casualties so lopsided?
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So no response to my question? Should Israel respond by firing the same kinds of rockets as Hamas back at Gaza's civilian centers?The majority....
Except if you look at historical facts, you will see Jews being attacked by Arabs in historic Jewish communities well before Irgun existed because some of the Arab leadership didn't like other Jews legally immigrating (and made more farcical because the same Arab leadership were the ones profiting by selling land to the same Jews they were otherwise opposed to).I heard a different version refugees starting with Jewish settlers scaring them away even one headed by menachem Begin later becoming Israeli prime minister ..... .... On another note what happened to all those cute girls in your posts lol?????
Or using the works of historians from a variety of backgrounds.Sure they were.
We went over this before, you based your argument on a false quote, deliberately using only half a sentence....
1) only to the Legislative Branch. The militarily seized the rest of their power in Gaza.Hamas was democratically elected and did unilaterally enact their own ceasefire,
2) A ceasefire would mean (fancy this) ceasing fire. Palestinian rockets never stopped.
And I can't wait until the Palestinians appear in front of the ICC. They have a lot to answer for in their own actions.
And that is supposed to show deserts? What a pile of crap.!!!!!!!
List of camps[edit]
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Actually it does show that the UN Convention on Refugees isn't being followed.
If the Palestinians ever sign a peace deal then who knows if the refugees will be allowed to or even want to.Would Israel allow them to go back to their land (Israel)?
I could also post a list of Jewish refugees from Arab states - but the were torn down as the people were integrated (instead of being forced to live in camps for generations).
So the West Bank, Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt are deserts but somehow Israel isn't? What a ridiculous claim.So Gaza and West bank is a forest or jungle with massive trees or a rainless desert? The pictures I have seen of the camps on TV they were desert lands. Not sure why you are arguing about the nature of the land they are refugees (a diversion tactic may be) but the important fact is that there are currently millions of Palestinians made refugees because of Israel.
BTW, most camps look exactly like crowded cities because that is what they are. The only place I have seen refugees in desert like conditions is the Syrian refugees that entered Jordan (but we don't want to talk about that rea humanitarian crisis right).
Israeli Arabs being treated as second class citizens? I guess these Arabs didn't get the memoIf Israel wants to survive long term in that neighborhood (surrounded by very hostile culturally revengeful hateful neighbors outnumbering by a factor of one to one hundred) it has to start giving its neighbors their rights and treat them with dignity. ....Stop treating Arab Israelis as second class citizens. Stop calling Israel the Jewish state (it is shared by both Jews and Arabs).
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=930130
Which other mid east nation has freedom of religion, expression, civil law, rights for women, gays, etc...?
What would you say to Daher Dhudy? After most of his family was murdered in the bloody civil war in Somalia, the teen fled with his only surviving brother on a perilous journey through Egypt, reaching safety only when they crossed the border into Israel.
Here's the full story, from March 2013.
http://njjewishnews.com/article/16595/somali-refugee-counters-apartheid-efforts#.U9LftbFwVio
Here are some choice quotes from the article.
“I did my research,” explained Dhudy. “I read about Israel. In Egypt all you hear are bad things about Israel.”
That research led the young refugee to realize Israelis “weren’t the bad guys.”
Faced with the prospect of Moammar Khadafi’s humanitarian abuses in Libya, a Sudan teeming with refugees desperate to escape, or remaining in Egypt, Dhudy said he chose Israel “because it was the best place to be.”
Does it seem right to you that the Arab regimes, in complete violation of the convection on refugees, has prevented the refugees from integrating into local society. Someone born in Syria with Syrian born parents and Syrian born grandparents is denied citizenship, prevented from buying property, denied employment, prohibited from accessing the same hospitals and schools, denied the right to vote?!!!!!!!
List of camps[edit]
This lists the current Palestine refugee camps with current population and year they were established.[2]
Gaza Strip[edit]
The Gaza Strip has 8 refugee camps and 1,221,110 registered refugees.
1948, Al-Shati (Beach camp), 87,000
1949, Bureij, 34,000
1948, Deir al-Balah, 21,000
1948, Jabalia, 110,000
1949, Khan Yunis, 72,000
1949, Maghazi, 24,000
1949, Nuseirat, 66,000
1949, Rafah, 104,000
West Bank[edit]
The West Bank has 19 refugee camps and 741,409 registered refugees.
1948, Aqabat Jaber, 6,400
1948, Ein as-Sultan, 1,900
1949, Far'a, 7,600
1949, Fawwar, 8,000
1949, Jalazone, 11,000
1949, Kalandia, 11,000
1949, Am'ari, 10,500
1949, Deir 'Ammar, 2,400
1949, Dheisheh, 13,000
1950, Aida, 4,700
1950, Al-Arroub, 10,400
1950, Askar, 15,900
1950, Balata, 23,600
1950, 'Azza (Beit Jibrin), 1,000
1950, Ein Beit al-Ma' (Camp No. 1), 6,750
1950, Tulkarm camp, 18,000
1952, Nur Shams, 9,000
1953, Jenin camp, 16,000
1965, Shuafat camp, 11,000
Syria[edit]
Syria has 13 refugee camps and 499,189 registered refugees. Three of these camps are unofficial (*).
1948, Sbeineh, 22,600
1949, Khan Eshieh, 20,000
1948, Neirab, 20,500
1949, Homs, 22,000
1948, Jaramana camp, 18,658
1950, Daraa camp, 10,000
1950, Hama camp, 8,000
1950, Khan Dannun, 10,000
1967, Qabr Essit, 23,700
1955-6, Latakia Camp*, 10,000
1957, Yarmouk*, 148,500
1962, Ein el-Tal*, 6,000
Lebanon[edit]
There are ten refugee camps in Lebanon and 448,599 registered refugees.
1948, Bourj el-Barajneh, 17,945
1948, Ain al-Hilweh, 54,116
1948, El Buss, 11,254
1949, Nahr al-Bared, 300 families
1949, Shatila, 9,842
1948, Wavel, 8,806
1952, Mar Elias, 662
1954, Mieh Mieh, 5,250
1955, Beddawi, 16,500
1955, Burj el-Shemali, 22,789
1956, Dbayeh camp, 4,351
1963, Rashidieh, 31,478
Jordan[edit]
There are ten refugee camps in Jordan and 2,034,641 registered refugees.
1949, Zarqa camp, 20,000
1952, Jabal el-Hussein, 29,000
1955, Amman New Camp (Wihdat), 51,500
1967, Souf, 20,000
1968, Baqa'a, 104,000
1968, Husn (Martyr Azmi el-Mufti camp), 22,000
1968, Irbid camp, 25,000
1968, Jerash camp, 24,000
1968, Marka, 53,000
1968, Talbieh, 7,000
Those camps are a system of apartheid implemented by Arabs against Palestinians in violation of the most basic moral code and all that suffering just so sixty five fucking years later they can use it as a wedge against Jews.
What do you mean by "back"?Would Israel allow them to go back to their land (Israel)?
My understanding of the word "back" is that it means to go to a place you have previously been to, which doesn't seem to fit this case.I always though "back" is an English word!!!!. I mean these people were scared enough to leave their homes (okay you and basketcase convinced me they were not forced out likely) and land (Palestine as the time now Israel). Would they be allowed to go back to Israel and build homes and live in peace with Jewish population?
Yes, Jordan is a desert that supports 6+ million people, Egypt a desert that supports 86 million, Lebanon a desert that supports 5 million, Syria a desert that supports 20 million (actually several million less now from that humanitarian crisis that people don't talk about), The West Bank a desert that supports almost 3 million.Just see the attached link for God's sake. It is desert where the camps are. You are arguing stubbornly and it is baseless basketcase!!
Quite obviously you aren't interested in an honest discussion and prefer to use loaded words instead of reality (and also quite humorous that you are talking about stubborn on this).
You've mentioned this before but polls repeatedly show that Arab Israelis want to remain Israelis rather than be citizens of Palestine or anywhere else in the area.thirdcup, the fact that in 1991 when Sadam's missiles were falling on Israel, Arab Israelis were celebrating on rooftops and were jubilant says a lot about how they feel in Israel. I am not denying that there may be handful number of Israeli arabs who may live in luxury (what many Palestinians may say they have sold themselves out to Israelis) but that is far from majority. ...
Any you really should do some research if you think Israel has poor freedom of religion. Christians, Jews, and Muslims all administer their own holy sites, Muslims can use Sharia law for personal maters, people of any religion can freely display their iconography and on and on.
The only limits I have heard of are Jews being prevented from praying at their holiest site to prevent harming the sensibilities of Muslims and some joint holy sites have limits on when Jews are allowed to pray.
That is the sticking point (as in resolution 242). It requires that whole living in peace thing which a good proportion of the Palestinian leadership are opposed to.... and live in peace with Jewish population?
Actually that 'right' does not apply to any other case. Some of my ancestors fled Ireland after being forced off their land. No one would say I have a right to go 'back' to it.??????
If my parents owned a home and they (or I) left out of fear many years ago and I am homeless now and I want back to my parent's home decades later (even if I wasn't born there myself) then you say I have no right and it doesn't belong to me?
Good point lol.Yes, Jordan is a desert that supports 6+ million people, Egypt a desert that supports 86 million, Lebanon a desert that supports 5 million, Syria a desert that supports 20 million (actually several million less now from that humanitarian crisis that people don't talk about), The West Bank a desert that supports almost 3 million.
Quite obviously you aren't interested in an honest discussion and prefer to use loaded words instead of reality (and also quite humorous that you are talking about stubborn on this).
Let's say you grandparents came to Canada as refugees in the 40s. You and your parents were born in Canada but you have never been to your grandparents original country. You find out you own some land in their old country through a will.??????
If my parents owned a home and they (or I) left out of fear many years ago and I am homeless now and I want back to my parent's home decades later (even if I wasn't born there myself) then you say I have no right and it doesn't belong to me?
No one would think that entitled you to citizenship there, and it is a bit odd to say you are going "back" if you were to go on a trip there, say to sell the property you inherited.
Some countries give preferential immigration points or status to people of the same ethnicity or who speak the local language, but none consider that automatic. You have to apply and qualify.
Nowhere in international law is there anything that says the children or grand children of refugees should have citizenship in the country of their ancestors. How far do you want to take it? If someone's ancestor once fled from Spain to France during the Inquisition , should they able to claim Spanish citizenship? If after that the family fled from the French Revolution to the US, and then fled from the American civil war to Canada, are they French and American citizens too? Even if the family had been in Canada since 1865?
So while you think its fine for Israel to enact the law of return, where anyone Jewish is allowed to move to Israel (where they have never lived) and live there and its also ok for Israel to refuse to give honour the internationally accepted right of return for the millions of Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from their homes and are still waiting for their return?Let's say you grandparents came to Canada as refugees in the 40s. You and your parents were born in Canada but you have never been to your grandparents original country. You find out you own some land in their old country through a will.
No one would think that entitled you to citizenship there, and it is a bit odd to say you are going "back" if you were to go on a trip there, say to sell the property you inherited.
Some countries give preferential immigration points or status to people of the same ethnicity or who speak the local language, but none consider that automatic. You have to apply and qualify.
Nowhere in international law is there anything that says the children or grand children of refugees should have citizenship in the country of their ancestors. How far do you want to take it? If someone's ancestor once fled from Spain to France during the Inquisition , should they able to claim Spanish citizenship? If after that the family fled from the French Revolution to the US, and then fled from the American civil war to Canada, are they French and American citizens too? Even if the family had been in Canada since 1865?
Those are racist laws.
The internationally accepted right of return is a right that people who are already citizens have, to enter their country. It is not a way of getting citizenship.So while you think its fine for Israel to enact the law of return, where anyone Jewish is allowed to move to Israel (where they have never lived) and live there and its also ok for Israel to refuse to give honour the internationally accepted right of return for the millions of Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from their homes and are still waiting for their return?.
And like every other country Israel can decide who can and who cannot immigrate on any factor it wants. Lots of countries prefer immigrate of the same ethnic background. Immigrant countries like Canada are the exception, Russia prefers Russians, Japan prefers Japanese, Greece prefers Greeks, etc.
