The $100,000 Club: Who's Really Making The Big Money These Days

[Insidious Von]

Blackie no need to get catty and that's Don Cherry's slogan.

And I know all about what auto workers are facing, although I haven't been connected to them in almost a decade. I lost count how many times I was asked to get pain killers, always declined.

 

[blackrock13]

Blackie no need to get catty and that's Don Cherry's slogan.

And I know all about what auto workers are facing, although I haven't been connected to them in almost a decade. I lost count how many times I was asked to get pain killers, always declined.

Assembly line work is tough, i couldn't do it and know very few who have dome it long term. The pain killers might also be for pain from repetitive motion, not just, 'I want to get stoned'. Again the problems in the auto industry is just not stoned workers.

 

[JohnLarue]

Really!....never stop posting.

Most of your posts smack of crackpot Randist philosophy. I read Atlas Shrugged, it is a sloppy comedy. About all I learned from the book is that she likes rough sex. I couldn't remember the lead character's name in the book I had to look it up. It's not John Laurie it's John Galt, you may want to consider changing your handle.

Name dropping is pretentious, arrogant and & does not convey your message well if the reader is not as familiar with the names dropped

The best democracy is one that blends economic liberalism with a proactive social safety net. Free markets with the protection needed to look after the most vulnerable. American CEO's make five times more than their Japanese and South Korean counterparts, that simply isn't right.

The best democracy as described by you is your opinion & not an absolute
Society as a whole may value social safety nets and protection to a different extent than you

@85K a year, 2 1/2 months vacation + no worries about retirement planning, exactly how vulnerable are teachers?
Any chance some of those compensation $ we spend on teachers might be better spent on the truly vulnerable?

It is one thing to have high and mighty principles about how things should be in your utopian world
It is all together a different matter when trying to reconcile those principles with real world practicalities

The best democracy is where unilateral action (higher taxes and / or increased debt load) is not force upon taxpayers by special interest groups. (in my opinion)

What a CEO makes is really none of your business unless you are a shareholder or a customer.
If you are shareholder you can vote for changes to the comp or sell your shares
If you are a customer, you can stop buying the service / product

What choices / options do taxpayers have wrt comp of public sector employees?
None

And Blackie, thanks for the data. But I'm a man of the streets, I know what I see. For example %50+ of automotive assembly line workers are addicted to Oxycontin, the car companies have a huge problem.

That would appear to be a rather huge problem for both the car companies & the unions
Having drug addicts for half your workforce is a pretty serious safety issue & will impact quality

As long as unions view issues as we vs. them, or a fight (i.e. 'fighting for fair compensation" ), they will never maximize their economic benefit because the economic potential of the company will always have unproductive & unnecessary barriers.

The Car companies offered a partnership with increasing shares to the unions in the late 1980s or early 1990s, the unions turned them down, demanding / extorting and obtaining an unsustainable comp package
This caused a decrease in financial flexibility, a lack of funding in design and engineering, a reduced ability to compete, loss of market share, an increased debt load and the inability to weather the economic downturn of 2008

The end result was the bankruptcy, assumption of obligations by the taxpayer, an industry contraction of 1/3 and a lot of destroyed lives for union members
The management teams of the car companies are not blameless in this fiasco, however unions should be considering how things may have worked out far better if they had embraced a partnership rather than sucking at the tit till the tit went dry

What is very disturbing is the same philosophy (we vs. them) is being applied by the public sector unions
The end result for Ontario's finances is not that hard to predict

 

[basketcase]

If you say so
So $85K is paid over 9 1/2 months, what's the difference.?
It is still $85 K extorted from the taxpayer
They are still getting too much for 12 months work, let alone 9 1/2 months work

The huge flaw with your reasoning should be obvious to someone who comments on value and it sure sounds like you have communist leanings. Do you really think people should be paid based solely on the number of hours worked?

Not all jobs are created equal. I make almost twice as much as some of the technicians that work for me despite the fact they work hours similar to mine. The other engineers on my team also make less than me, simply because the owner calls me a manager. Does your whiny pretend capitalist form of communism see it as unfair that I make more?

Obviously the owner of my company chooses to pay people on factors other than just the number of hours worked. He takes into account the value of the job, the importance, and the desire to hire quality employees, and what those employees good employees could make elsewhere. For teachers, the job of raising children is extremely important and we want to encourage good people to become teachers. The only difference is that my employer could look at profits as a measure while the impact of teachers is much much harder to put into dollar values.

 

[basketcase]

Teachers make 1.05 more than people with the same educational requirements.That is because they have a strong union....

Or because society sees the job as more important than many other jobs.

I'd actually like to se ethe stats on teachers making more than others with 2 degrees.

 

[blackrock13]

Or because society sees the job as more important than many other jobs.

I'd actually like to se ethe stats on teachers making more than others with 2 degrees.

Good luck with that from LH. Probably more inside information from persons unnamed.

 

[JohnLarue]

Or because society sees the job as more important than many other jobs.

I'd actually like to se ethe stats on teachers making more than others with 2 degrees.

Or because their union is willing to blackmail the govt until they get what they want

 

[JohnLarue]

The huge flaw with your reasoning should be obvious to someone who comments on value and it sure sounds like you have communist leanings. Do you really think people should be paid based solely on the number of hours worked?

Not all jobs are created equal. I make almost twice as much as some of the technicians that work for me despite the fact they work hours similar to mine. The other engineers on my team also make less than me, simply because the owner calls me a manager. Does your whiny pretend capitalist form of communism see it as unfair that I make more?

Obviously the owner of my company chooses to pay people on factors other than just the number of hours worked. He takes into account the value of the job, the importance, and the desire to hire quality employees, and what those employees good employees could make elsewhere. For teachers, the job of raising children is extremely important and we want to encourage good people to become teachers. The only difference is that my employer could look at profits as a measure while the impact of teachers is much much harder to put into dollar values.

your company pays what it can while still remaining profitable & it pays based upon the value received
your company will also let someone go if they do not provide value
your company pays for 12 months work less 2-5 weeks vacation

The huge flaw in your argument is your company does not have to deal with an aggressive & irresponsible union

If the logic applied to your company was applied to teachers
1. The average salary would be significantly less than the current $85K
2. The Provinces pension obligation would be offloaded onto the union
3. Their salary would be pro-rated to account for 2 1/2 months vacation
4. Poor performing teachers would be let go

The teachers union do not give a rats ass about the provinces finances & have no respect for the taxpayer
They want what they want & they want it now

The line up of people applying to become a teacher is huge
Change the rules & start to cycle the current set of parasites out
Get a group in that places the interests of
1. The students
2. The taxpayer
ahead of their own greed

 

[basketcase]

your company pays what it can while still remaining profitable & it pays based upon the value received
your company will also let someone go if they do not provide value
your company pays for 12 months work less 2-5 weeks vacation

My company pays what it keeps to keep me (or other good employees) working for them. Same goes for teachers but in the small company I work for it is easier to connect my performance to profits. A teacher's impact on the economy of the province won't be felt for a couple decades until the thousands of children they taught have grown up.

Union or not, teachers pay is a statement on how society values the work they do and what is required for good candidates to apply.

The rest of your post is just bitching and whining from you based on whatever past experiences you have and has nothing to do with anything in this thread except your pathetic bias. The saddest thing is you try this communist theory basing pay on number of hours worked to try and justify it.

I do agree that unions shouldn't waste as much time protecting the few incompetent teachers but that has nothing to do with the pay deserved by the good ones. I'm glad there's a huge line up of people applying. If you've ever been involved in hiring you'd know more willing candidates makes it easier to find good ones.

 

[spankingman]

OK
Then HOW MUCH should a Professional Firefighter, a Police Officer, Teacher, Reg. Nurse etc be paid then?

 

[blackrock13]

OK
Then HOW MUCH should a Professional Firefighter, a Police Officer, Teacher, Reg. Nurse etc be paid then?

To whom are you asking this question?

 

[Lovehobby]

Once again Alberta has had a series of conservative governments since the Great Depression. The Alberta teachers make more than Ontario teachers. Canada has the world's best education results measured by % of people with post secondary diploma. Nobody else is even close.

Sounds like performance pay already in place.

 

[blackrock13]

Once again Alberta has had a series of conservative governments since the Great Depression. The Alberta teachers make more than Ontario teachers. Canada has the world's best education results measured by % of people with post secondary diploma. Nobody else is even close.

Sounds like performance pay already in place.

As if 'the largest percentage of diplomas' was the only, let alone the best, measurement. How many of those student are shoved through the system, not allowed to fail. Failing them would affect the performance bonuses of the teachers so you can't fail them. It's a shell game.

 

[FAST]

As if 'the most percentage of diplomas' was the only, let alone the best, measurement. How many of those student are shoved through the system, not allowed to fail. Failing them would affect the performance bonuses of the teachers so you can't fail them. It's a shell game.

YA, but that would be looking at reality, plus the useless diplomas that some graduate with,...LH's statement is meaningless,...as usual.

FAST

 

[Lovehobby]

As if 'the largest percentage of diplomas' was the only, let alone the best, measurement. How many of those student are shoved through the system, not allowed to fail. Failing them would affect the performance bonuses of the teachers so you can't fail them. It's a shell game.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/the-most-educated-countries-in-the-world.html?page=all

 

[Lovehobby]

YA, but that would be looking at reality, plus the useless diplomas that some graduate with,...LH's statement is meaningless,...as usual.

FAST

I guess that is whay you say when you got nothin' lol

Ya well them thar deeeploymas aint no good neither- FAST

You just fall off the turnip truck FAST?

Dont pay that thar LH no nevermind Jethro lets go sit by the ceement pond.

 

[blackrock13]

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/the-most-educated-countries-in-the-world.html?page=all

So what? Still only using the single matrix of percentage of degrees, not quality of the education, Still a shell games for reasons already explained You really are slow.

 

[blackrock13]

I guess that is whay you say when you got nothin' lol

Ya well them thar deeeploymas aint no good neither- FAST

You just fall off the turnip truck FAST?

Dont pay that thar LH no nevermind Jethro lets go sit by the ceement pond.

Reverting to type much?

 

[FAST]

Somebody call his mother

I guess that is whay you say when you got nothin' lol

Ya well them thar deeeploymas aint no good neither- FAST

You just fall off the turnip truck FAST?

Dont pay that thar LH no nevermind Jethro lets go sit by the ceement pond.

Gone off your meds again,...commie,...???

FAST

 

[basketcase]

So what? Still only using the single matrix of percentage of degrees, not quality of the education, Still a shell games for reasons already explained You really are slow.

Canada sure seems to do well on international testing. Could it be that the shell game is your own?