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explorerzip

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True, but I like to keep some savings in cash for an emergency. The rest of my money is locked up in real estate, mutual funds, and the stock market and would take effort to get at in an emergency.

So, while it is a crap rate, a savings account with 1.8 percent was the best crap rate I could find.
I don't like investing in mutual funds for that very reason: they take too long to unload and they charge you fees. Would rather deal with ETF's or individual stocks. At least individual stocks don't take as long to unload. You are right that everyone needs some emergency cash as long as it's actually used for that purpose and not the big screen TV or vacation fund :D
 

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I've been with ING Direct for almost 15 years and have found it to be excellent. I'm a bit worried now that it's taken over by a Canadian bank. I also had an account with Ally which was excellent. However, the Royal Bank put an end to Ally.
 

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Welcome to 2014. Truth is scary.
Truth is most people in 2014 don't know their way around this century. Your post clearly shows you don't get what modern banking is about. You criticized the name of the bank and then responded to my post without recognizing the irony. Apple is one of the most trusted brands in the world today, the same was true for Blackberry until a very short time ago. Both of these serious companies have non-traditional names. You shouldn't judge a bank (or any other company) by it's name; especially when you clearly demonstrate bad judgment.

I'm not sure what "significant financial work" you do that is impaired by higher interest, convenience and high technology. If the present is hard on your eyes, by all means retreat to the past.
 

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Truth is most people in 2014 don't know their way around this century. Your post clearly shows you don't get what modern banking is about. You criticized the name of the bank and then responded to my post without recognizing the irony. Apple is one of the most trusted brands in the world today, the same was true for Blackberry until a very short time ago. Both of these serious companies have non-traditional names. You shouldn't judge a bank (or any other company) by it's name; especially when you clearly demonstrate bad judgment.

I'm not sure what "significant financial work" you do that is impaired by higher interest, convenience and high technology. If the present is hard on your eyes, by all means retreat to the past.
Yeah! You're absolutely right! What do I know...LOL! You sound exactly like all the other really 'knowledgeable' guys with no money of their own who are constantly trying to 'advise' me about how to manage my assets. Funny. I don't pay any attention to them either, and you know what? After all these years, I'm still doing pretty damn well on my own! But you're right. I clearly don't get what modern banking is about. LMFAO!
 

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Not really. If all you do is deposit, withdraw, maintain a min balance, and use the debit card for POS txns, Fisher-Price Bank will do. For any significant financial work, you'll need to go to a real bank anyway. So why use Fisher-Price Bank in the first place unless you really haven't much money to begin with? Fisher-Price Bank (like Target or now defunct Zellers in Canada) is targeted at the average low-income North American family whose typical monthly bank balance does not exceed $3800.00. Important to note that it is estimated that approx. 25% of North American families have NO SAVINGS whatsoever, and live paycheck to paycheck.

Welcome to 2014. Truth is scary.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Somebody with minimum balance who uses their debit card and does simple transactions should not be using ING.
The point of using ING is to be able to get a lot more interest on large sums of money that you want to park for awhile. This can be done with a click of a mouse and with no fees.

I know that they are not unique anymore but I remember when their savings account was paying 3 1/2%. If you wanted to park 50 grand for 2 or 3 months because you weren't feeling the market, this was the only place to put it where you could make that type of interest while staying completely liquid AND with no fees! I still have an account.
 

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I'd rather eat a tangerine not bank with one :)

Seriously who came up with this name. I know they want to be different and distinct but naming yourself after a fruit does not exactly inspire confidence in managing money.
 

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I'd rather eat a tangerine not bank with one :)

Seriously who came up with this name. I know they want to be different and distinct but naming yourself after a fruit does not exactly inspire confidence in managing money.
i can think of another company named after a fruit................done pretty good over the years.
 
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I'd rather eat a tangerine not bank with one :)

Seriously who came up with this name. I know they want to be different and distinct but naming yourself after a fruit does not exactly inspire confidence in managing money.
"A rose by any other name still smells as sweet."
 

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You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Somebody with minimum balance who uses their debit card and does simple transactions should not be using ING.
The point of using ING is to be able to get a lot more interest on large sums of money that you want to park for awhile. This can be done with a click of a mouse and with no fees.

I know that they are not unique anymore but I remember when their savings account was paying 3 1/2%. If you wanted to park 50 grand for 2 or 3 months because you weren't feeling the market, this was the only place to put it where you could make that type of interest while staying completely liquid AND with no fees! I still have an account.
Try to remember that the 'real' bank - ING, one of, if not THE biggest retail banks in the world by revenue, is not the owner of this entity anymore...then ask yourself why. Then ask yourself why one of Canada's largest FI's bought it in the first place, and what it's actual purpose is within their corporate portfolio and national strategy. When you finally understand THAT, then we can have a more balanced conversation. Until then, I can't help you.
 

explorerzip

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I'd rather eat a tangerine not bank with one :)

Seriously who came up with this name. I know they want to be different and distinct but naming yourself after a fruit does not exactly inspire confidence in managing money.
The name is irrelevant as long as your deposits (up to $100K) are backed by the CDIC and most banks are. Doesn't mean that the bank cannot go bankrupt and lose your money, but that is a small risk. If you're going to criticize Tangerine, then Walmart Financial should also give you the jitters.
 

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Try to remember that the 'real' bank - ING, one of, if not THE biggest retail banks in the world by revenue, is not the owner of this entity anymore...then ask yourself why.
In contrast (rather than asking myself hypothetical questions), I RESEARCHED why the ING Group sold ING DIRECT Canada to the Bank of Nova Scotia. It turns out that the ING parent company had badly exposed themselves to bad debt in the European defaults and the mortgage crisis. They were forced to take a costly bailout package from the Dutch government at over 6% interest. In order to pay off this massive loan, ING sold off most of their insurance properties (remember when ING Insurance became Intact?) and some of their most profitable foreign subsidiaries. ING DIRECT Canada was sold because it was valuable and the Dutch parent needed the money...almost like an addict pawning their jewellery. When this type of transaction happens, it's the seller not the property sold that is questionable.
 

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I thought the same thing about the name. I recently met with the gentleman who is now running the company (part of Scotiabank) and he said they had numerous test marketing groups and the name tested through the roof. He then said that companies with "fruit names" generally do very well...Apple, Blackberry etc. Made sense!
 

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In contrast (rather than asking myself hypothetical questions), I RESEARCHED why the ING Group sold ING DIRECT Canada to the Bank of Nova Scotia. It turns out that the ING parent company had badly exposed themselves to bad debt in the European defaults and the mortgage crisis. They were forced to take a costly bailout package from the Dutch government at over 6% interest. In order to pay off this massive loan, ING sold off most of their insurance properties (remember when ING Insurance became Intact?) and some of their most profitable foreign subsidiaries. ING DIRECT Canada was sold because it was valuable and the Dutch parent needed the money...almost like an addict pawning their jewellery. When this type of transaction happens, it's the seller not the property sold that is questionable.
Not quite. ING Direct Canada was not sold so much for its value/profitability, but because it was not a sustainable asset for the parent in the Canadian market which was in fact rapidly losing value. Better to offload and hedge the overarching debt strategically than watch the asset's value deflate to nothing. So this being the case, why would BNS buy it? ;)
 

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Not quite. ING Direct Canada was not sold so much for its value/profitability, but because it was not a sustainable asset for the parent in the Canadian market which was in fact rapidly losing value. Better to offload and hedge the overarching debt strategically than watch the asset's value deflate to nothing. So this being the case, why would BNS buy it?
You've just refuted your own point. Obviously your version of events is NOT THE CASE as you so clearly proved.
 

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You've just refuted your own point. Obviously your version of events is NOT THE CASE as you so clearly proved.
Think Blue. Think. I didn't refute my own point. Why did BNS buy ING Direct Canada if it was quickly depreciating in value? It's not a long term acquisition in its current form/format. It's meant short to mid-term as a marketing device to gather new business prospects across the low income demographic, that can later be transferred to BNS upgraded product portfolio which is much more profitable as revenue generation tool. How else can you suddenly capture the attention of a broad target group with high potential for fee revenue who already sees you as undesirable when compared to other competitor service providers like TD, RBC, et al? It's a ploy and much of the initial acquisition costs and ongoing losses can be written off to the corporate insurance underwriters backing the temporary entity. Nothing more than the FI equivalent of B&S. The end game is gathering a large new portfolio of suckers who think they're getting a good deal. Can you say Amicus Bank?
 

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Think Blue. Think. I didn't refute my own point. Why did BNS buy ING Direct Canada if it was quickly depreciating in value? It's not a long term acquisition in its current form/format. It's meant short to mid-term as a marketing device to gather new business prospects across the low income demographic, that can later be transferred to BNS upgraded product portfolio which is much more profitable as revenue generation tool. How else can you suddenly capture the attention of a broad target group with high potential for fee revenue who already sees you as undesirable when compared to other competitor service providers like TD, RBC, et al? It's a ploy and much of the initial acquisition costs and ongoing losses can be written off to the corporate insurance underwriters backing the temporary entity. Nothing more than the FI equivalent of B&S. The end game is gathering a large new portfolio of suckers who think they're getting a good deal. Can you say Amicus Bank?
I think I've been pretty clear about what happened and everything I said can be looked up in independent articles for those who care. If some people insist on making random and imaginary claims, there's not much I can do about it.

ING DIRECT/Tangerine has significantly increased profits every year in the last decade. They are currently the number seven bank in the country. If that's a depreciating asset to you....you believe what you like. I think the intelligent readers don't need to hear me say it again.
 

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I think I've been pretty clear about what happened and everything I said can be looked up in independent articles for those who care. If some people insist on making random and imaginary claims, there's not much I can do about it.

ING DIRECT/Tangerine has significantly increased profits every year in the last decade. They are currently the number seven bank in the country. If that's a depreciating asset to you....you believe what you like. I think the intelligent readers don't need to hear me say it again.
*sigh* <face palm>

If you read it on the internet, I guess it must be true. :rolleyes: It's a shame you can't see the big picture of global banking strategy. Enjoy your Fisher Price account. Just don't act all indignant when the BNS marketing machine starts targeting your home phone and mail box.
 

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Tangerine (Scotia) is far worse than ING was
There are numerous issues in how service has deteriorated since the take over

PC (CIBC) also has its own set of issues

Sad no small banks left, just credit unions now
 
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