Russia now threatens Estonia

[mandrill]

I think you are wise to give up your false assertions. Your political beliefs does not change history. Of course, the economies of the occupied countries were of benefit to Germany. But that does not in any way equate to the population supporting Hitler. You could with more reason blame the US who at that time voluntarily supplied Germany.

I am silly to keep up this dialogue. Nevertheless..

How could the Finnish, Romanian and Slovak population NOT have been supporting Germany when they all supplied large armies which fought side-by-side w Germany on the Eastern Front?

How could the Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian and Ukrainian populations NOT have been supporting Germany when they all supplied both numerous paramilitary and SS auxiliary formations which fought side by side w Germany on the Eastern Front?

The Croats supplied fighter squadrons which intercepted and shot down Allied bombing raids over South Germany and Austria. Was this not an example of the Croatian population supporting Germany?

You argue, but have read no historical books on this very period. You are a troll and nothing more.

 

[blackrock13]

I am silly to keep up this dialogue. Nevertheless..

How could the Finnish, Romanian and Slovak population NOT have been supporting Germany when they all supplied large armies which fought side-by-side w Germany on the Eastern Front?

How could the Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian and Ukrainian populations NOT have been supporting Germany when they all supplied both numerous paramilitary and SS auxiliary formations which fought side by side w Germany on the Eastern Front?

The Croats supplied fighter squadrons which intercepted and shot down Allied bombing raids over South Germany and Austria. Was this not an example of the Croatian population supporting Germany?

You argue, but have read no historical books on this very period. You are a troll and nothing more.

He could easily make one up, watch it.

 

[danmand]

I am silly to keep up this dialogue. Nevertheless..

How could the Finnish, Romanian and Slovak population NOT have been supporting Germany when they all supplied large armies which fought side-by-side w Germany on the Eastern Front?

How could the Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian and Ukrainian populations NOT have been supporting Germany when they all supplied both numerous paramilitary and SS auxiliary formations which fought side by side w Germany on the Eastern Front?

The Croats supplied fighter squadrons which intercepted and shot down Allied bombing raids over South Germany and Austria. Was this not an example of the Croatian population supporting Germany?

You argue, but have read no historical books on this very period. You are a troll and nothing more.

You are indeed silly to carry on. While some of the countries you mention were allied with Germany, Finland, and maybe Rumania, others were occupied and under control of Germany, and had no choice but to supply troops. Again, I find more fault with countries like the US and Sweden, who voluntarily supplied Hitlers war machine (and extermination efforts) for profit.

You might as well say that a young man in Kabul freely can choose between joining the Afghanistan or the Taliban army.

 

[Butler1000]

You are indeed silly to carry on. While some of the countries you mention were allied with Germany, Finland, and maybe Rumania, others were occupied and under control of Germany, and had no choice but to supply troops. Again, I find more fault with countries like the US and Sweden, who voluntarily supplied Hitlers war machine (and extermination efforts) for profit.

You might as well say that a young man in Kabul freely can choose between joining the Afghanistan or the Taliban army.

Actually they can. Some have died because of that choice in Afghanistan but the choice is there.

 

[Aardvark154]

Interestingly no one has raised the issue of Latvia's two categories of nationality in this discussion.

Thirteen and a half percent of Latvia’s entire population as a relic of the collapse of the Soviet Union collapse are in someways stateless. Anyone who was not determined to be ethnically Latvian or those born to non-Latvian parents are denied the franchise and are prohibited from being pharmacists, teachers or working for the police. The tests to obtain full citizenship are deliberately quite complex and have significant fees associated with the process.

Needless to say the vast majority of these persons are ethnic Russians.

 

[mandrill]

Interestingly no one has raised the issue of Latvia's two categories of nationality in this discussion.

Thirteen and a half percent of Latvia’s entire population as a relic of the collapse of the Soviet Union collapse are in someways stateless. Anyone who was not determined to be ethnically Latvian or those born to non-Latvian parents are denied the franchise and are prohibited from being pharmacists, teachers or working for the police. The tests to obtain full citizenship are deliberately quite complex and have significant fees associated with the process.

Needless to say the vast majority of these persons are ethnic Russians.

There are now complex tests associated with Canadian citizenship and fees running into $100's as well.

 

[Aardvark154]

There are now complex tests associated with Canadian citizenship and fees running into $100's as well.

Of course true, however, no one (other than the children of diplomats and counsels) born in Canada is considered to be not a full Canadian. Indeed Canada and the U.S. are on the complete other end of the spectrum from Latvia.

 

[mandrill]

Of course true, however, no one (other than the children of diplomats and counsels) born in Canada is considered to be not a full Canadian.

For the record, I believe this might change in the near future and children of visitors or illegal immigrants in Canada may be denied Canadian citizenship.

 

[mandrill]

Brief BBC article on anti-semitism in Russia.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26786213

 

[Aardvark154]

For the record, I believe this might change in the near future and children of visitors or illegal immigrants in Canada may be denied Canadian citizenship.

Please may the U.S. Supreme Court and or Congress hear your voice!

 

[Aardvark154]

Brief BBC article on anti-semitism in Russia.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26786213

There is indeed a long history of anti-semitism in Russia, at the same time although many Jews have been murdered because of prejudice in Russia and Russian controlled areas, Russia never had death camps for Jews.

The largest and most architecturally significant synagogue remaining in Central or Eastern Europe is the Grand Choral Synagogue in Saint-Petersburg.

 

[basketcase]

There is indeed a long history of anti-semitism in Russia, at the same time although many Jews have been murdered because of prejudice in Russia and Russian controlled areas, Russia never had death camps for Jews.....

Are you really minimizing russian anti-semitism because it wasn't as bad as the holocaust?

 

[Aardvark154]

Are you really minimizing russian anti-semitism because it wasn't as bad as the holocaust?

Systematically murdering 11 million people six million of them Jews in the space of under five years, I do believe is not merely a matter of numbers but also of degree and kind.

 

[mandrill]

There is indeed a long history of anti-semitism in Russia, at the same time although many Jews have been murdered because of prejudice in Russia and Russian controlled areas, Russia never had death camps for Jews.

The largest and most architecturally significant synagogue remaining in Central or Eastern Europe is the Grand Choral Synagogue in Saint-Petersburg.

I could be argued that the regime change in 1917 may have prevented a holocaust in Russia, Tsar Nicholas II was extremely anti Semitic and diligently read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on a regular basis. He also instigated attempts to try Jews for ritual murder of Gentile children - without much success - and encouraged the Black Hundreds. Given time, opportunity and a more developed body of doctrine, the violence against the Jewish community in his empire might have been far more extensive.

Anti Semitism waxed and waned under the Communists, but never remotely approached the vast degree of official support it enjoyed under Nicky II.

 

[Aardvark154]

I could be argued that the regime change in 1917 may have prevented a holocaust in Russia, Tsar Nicholas II was extremely anti Semitic and diligently read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on a regular basis. He also instigated attempts to try Jews for ritual murder of Gentile children - without much success - and encouraged the Black Hundreds. Given time, opportunity and a more developed body of doctrine, the violence against the Jewish community in his empire might have been far more extensive.

Anti Semitism waxed and waned under the Communists, but never remotely approached the vast degree of official support it enjoyed under Nicky II.

It becomes complex.

There were a large number of Jews in the leadership of the Bolsheviks, this was in part of course due to the persecution of Jews in the Russian Empire. However, at the same time it has fed modern Russian anti-semitism. There is a fine line between saying no Great Russian would have murdered the Imperial Family in the brutal way they were (a statement which I believe is more optimistic than truthful), those who did were Balts, Czechs and Jews. And the (insert slur words) [Balts and Jews] were were responsible for destroying the country there is something in their blood which makes them evil. . . . .

It was only after Alexander II came to the Throne in 1855 that Jews were allowed to live outside the Pale of Settlement (Poland, Belarus and Ukraine) Even then this was restricted to retired soldiers, those with academic degrees, 1st guild merchants, specialty craftsmen, and technicians.

 

[canada-man]

After annexing Crimea and with troops massed on the border of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin will not stop trying to expand Russia until he has “conquered” Belarus, the Baltic states and Finland, one of his closest former advisers has said.

According to Andrej Illarionov, the President’s chief economic adviser from 2000 to 2005, Mr Putin seeks to create “historical justice” with a return to the days of the last Tsar, Nicholas II, and the Soviet Union under Stalin.

Speaking to the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, Mr Illarionov warned that Russia will argue that the granting of independence to Finland in 1917 was an act of “treason against national interests”.

“Putin’s view is that he protects what belongs to him and his predecessors,” Mr Illarionov said.

“Parts of Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic States and Finland are states where Putin claims to have ownership.

He added: “The West’s leaders seem, from what they say, entirely to have forgotten that there are some leaders in the world who want to conquer other countries.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-finland-for-russia-adviser-says-9224273.html

 

[Aardvark154]

^ There really is a huge difference between reannexing Crimea, and attempting to take over the Baltic States or Finland (which by the way were never part of Russia per se). As to Belarus there was a plan to combine several years back, it was the Russians who rejected it.

 

[basketcase]

After annexing Crimea and with troops massed on the border of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin will not stop trying to expand Russia until he has “conquered” Belarus, the Baltic states and Finland, one of his closest former advisers has said....

Sadly Putin invading Belarus will likely give the people in that dictatorship more rights.

 

[mandrill]

2 articles on NATO assessment and responses.

http://news.ca.msn.com/world/ukraine-crisis-russia-forces-on-border-incredibly-concerning-1

http://news.ca.msn.com/world/ukraine-crisis-nato-plan-one-more-step-in-a-long-journey-baird-says-1

 

[mandrill]

Link giving rundown of Russia's various border wars over the last 20 years.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/6820f1feed1