Global Warming. Fact or grossly exaggerated??

[groggy]

I noticed you skipped past the part that explains the difference between a table of contents and an index. It's passing strange, to say the least, that the self-proclaimed expert on "the science" clearly isn't keen on reading books.

Ok, table of content vs index. Fair point.
But you have to admit you didn't even know what you were linking to.

Nonetheless, if you had read my post the first time, you would have seen the context: Page 202 of Chapter 7 of the IPCC's 1990 report shows the chart with the Medieval Warm Period, and the chart clearly shows (according to the IPCC) that the Earth was much warmer than it is today.

No, it doesn't.

Because of the time scale on the graph, the present warming period is short enough to show up only as a pixel or two on the very left hand of the graph.
What we are experiencing now is a global temperature that is most definitely higher then the Midieval Warm Period.

You are wrong.

Ok, let's start at the beginning of the IPCC's first report -- that would be the table of contents, not the "index."

Fine, I didn't realize that you couldn't even understand that by yourself, but if you're that slow, I can help you with the table of contents.

 

[groggy]

Here's a development that's more entertaining than Groggy's ignorance about the structure of books.

A number of news organizations, including the Washington Post, National Public Radio, the Associated Press, Dow Jones, Reuters and 12 others are supporting legal action to force fake "Nobel laureate" Michael Mann to release his Climategate-related emails from his time at the University of Virginia.

http://www.cjr.org/the_observatory/michael_mann_versus_the_press.php?page=1

How did it get to this? I thought Mann's defenders were insisting he has always been completely transparent.

I'm sure Groggy will want to blame the influence of Big Oil and the Koch brothers, but it's tough to imagine NPR (or the Washington Post, for that matter) taking part in a vast right-wing conspiracy.

Mann is correct to want his email not to be subject to FOI, we expect that of politicians though we don't get it, but of nobody else. As a researcher if every bit of your work was publicly available you'd have to contend with researchers from all over the globe trying to use your work in their own research before you could even get credit for it. The press rightly sees the courts decision as a step too far in the opposite direction, denying access to all information is also not the correct way. Hopefully they will find a moderate solution that works for all.

For instance, how would you do if all your email had to be turned over as FOI, could you do that? Ever say something nasty about someone you work with or a boss that shouldn't turn up in a FOI? How fair would you find that?

And given the way that the illegally hacked previous sets of emails were used, Mann is only acting wisely to be careful now. He was exonerated repeatedly, but your heartland pals are still pushing the same lies they did when they first hacked the university.

 

[Moviefan-2]

What we are experiencing now is a global temperature that is most definitely higher then the Midieval Warm Period.

I'm afraid not. The IPCC got rid of the Medieval Warm Period by choosing, instead, to go in 2001 with Mann's highly contentious and unsubstantiated "hockey stick" graph, which claimed to show the MWP didn't exist on a global scale.

Of course, Mann's research remains open to a great deal of debate.

 

[MadonnaLove]

my blow jobs are so hot they are the cause of global warming !

 

[groggy]

I'm afraid not. The IPCC got rid of the Medieval Warm Period by choosing, instead, to go in 2001 with Mann's highly contentious and unsubstantiated "hockey stick" graph, which claimed to show the MWP didn't exist on a global scale.

Of course, Mann's research remains open to a great deal of debate.

That's because the midieval warm period was understood to largely have been a northern hemisphere event.

Do you have any legit study that shows that to be incorrect, or is this another of your wattsup lobbyist talking points?

 

[groggy]

I'm afraid not. The IPCC got rid of the Medieval Warm Period by choosing, instead, to go in 2001 with Mann's highly contentious and unsubstantiated "hockey stick" graph, which claimed to show the MWP didn't exist on a global scale.

Just for fun, I went back to the 1990 IPCC report to confirm those graphs.
The first one is missing one very important detail that shows your 'skeptic' site's arguments to be false.

And because you think you're so smart, I'll let you see if you can find the missing detail.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_chapter_07.pdf
Page 202.

Go ahead and look at the original graph and your lobbyists copy and tell me if you are smart enough to spot the difference.

 

[basketcase]

Here's a development that's more entertaining than Groggy's ignorance about the structure of books.....

As opposed to your ignorance of the structure of science?

I'm still waiting for an alternate theory showing CO2 isn't the major global warming player. Until then you are just blowing smoke.



p.s. If you looked at the report that discussed the medieval warm period, you would notice that they actually include other information such as despite the warmth in the North Atlantic/Northern hemisphere, global temperatures seem to have been slightly lower than the 1950's.


p.p.s. More significantly, I'm still waiting for an alternate theory showing CO2 isn't the major global warming player. Until then you are just blowing smoke.

 

[Moviefan-2]

p.s. If you looked at the report that discussed the medieval warm period, you would notice that they actually include other information such as despite the warmth in the North Atlantic/Northern hemisphere, global temperatures seem to have been slightly lower than the 1950's.

Prior to the IPCC's decision in its 2001 report to go all-in on the fake Nobel laureate's hockey stick, that wasn't the thinking.

p.p.s. More significantly, I'm still waiting for an alternate theory showing CO2 isn't the major global warming player. Until then you are just blowing smoke.

I'm still waiting for you to explain your theory that the Industrial Revolution began 4.5 billion years ago.

 

[blackrock13]

Hey be nice to me. I'm just a bystander poking fun at you both. I don't know what that issue was for you, whether Smith or Wesson or Glock, but certainly better than his suggestion.

All I said is that you would know the answer if you actually paid attention, clearly you didn'.t The idiots who still think I've ever been in the military, police service, or a security guard by now clearly aren't cable of thinking like higher primates or jus think they are funny. Which they're aren't, especially after making the connection a hundred+ times.

 

[GPIDEAL]

All I said is that you would know the answer if you actually paid attention, clearly you didn'.t The idiots who still think I've ever been in the military, police service, or a security guard by now clearly aren't cable of thinking like higher primates or jus think they are funny. Which they're aren't, especially after making the connection a hundred+ times.

Blackrock, I haven't been paying as much attention to you as you might think, sorry.

 

[groggy]

Prior to the IPCC's decision in its 2001 report to go all-in on the fake Nobel laureate's hockey stick, that wasn't the thinking.

I'm still waiting for you to explain your theory that the Industrial Revolution began 4.5 billion years ago.

I'm still waiting for you to go to the IPCC report and look at the original graph and compare it with yours.

I'm betting you aren't smart enough to spot the difference, which is why you keep falling for the snake oil.

Check it out, I dare you.

 

[blackrock13]

Blackrock, I haven't been paying as much attention to you as you might think, sorry.

I truly realize that and don't really expect it, but for some reason you feel you can make the comments you did and feed hammerheads like AK, that's the points.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I guess this shows that you warmists are a dysfunctional bunch.

We are sensitive, just like the atmosphere MF.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I truly realize that and don't really expect it, but for some reason you feel you can make the comments you did and feed hammerheads like AK, that's the points.

I thought I came to your defense when he joked about that backward-aiming pistol.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Hey Groggy and Basketcase,

I'm arguing with some Republicans elsewhere. They feel that since CO2 has such a minuscule relative composition in the earth's atmosphere or within water vapor, that it's effect on AGW is negligible. I looked up something on Wikipedia that explains that there was a rise in CO2 in terms of PPM by 40% since 2000 I think, and that CO2 has the greatest impact on UV radiation and the GHE.

Does their argument hold water (no pun intended)?

 

[GPIDEAL]

my blow jobs are so hot they are the cause of global warming !

Definitely, woman-made GW!!

 

[blackrock13]

Ha ha, you mean a "duel".

Here's the gun rockie gets. I'm pretty sure he can't tell the difference:

Ha ha, my bad.

Oh no, I think he can very well tell the difference. Ask him what the standard issue was when he was in the force? I want to level the playing field.

I thought I came to your defense when he joked about that backward-aiming pistol.

Then you have a strange way of showing perpetuating a supposed claim that I've been the service. The double digit crowd might believe you.

 

[fuji]

Oh no, I think he can very well tell the difference. Ask him what the standard issue was when he was in the force? I want to level the playing field.

Here is a challenge for eagle eyes: which one is blackrock?

Look closely!

 

[GPIDEAL]

Then you have a strange way of showing perpetuating a supposed claim that I've been the service. The double digit crowd might believe you.

Any reference to that supposed claim was only to joke about your preferred selection of a firearm in an imaginary duel with AK over this GW issue. I wasn't suggesting that you really are in the force. I don't know and I don't care.

(Overall, I like the police btw).

 

[GPIDEAL]

Here is a challenge for eagle eyes: which one is blackrock?

Look closely!

Fuji, you're not funny but I'll humour you. The correct answer is no one as the TPS doesn't have a Sheriff