Supreme Court of Canada will release its decision on the Bedford, Lebovitch and Scott

[canada-man]

i call this the feminazi-bronze age alliance.

 

[crunts]

I wanna punch this Gavin faggot in the face

and they say johns are harmless and non-violent.

 

[drlove]

But they can no longer criminalize prostitution. The new laws are supposed to be directed against violent and controlling pimps and to set up a licensing and regulatory scheme for agencies.

In theory - yes. In reality with Harper at the helm - no.

 

[kbiii2]

Read the comments to the Globe and Mail editorial calling for legalization. About 90% are in favor of some form of legalization with various levels
of oversight. Yup, the majority of Canadians are most likely sensible and do not want the Nordic model. Now's the time to press the MP's to
realize just that.

 

[canada-man]

latest whining from the minister of censorship

https://openparliament.ca/debates/2014/3/5/joy-smith-1/

still refusing to meet with SPs

 

[TeeJay]

Someone called in on talkradio the other day saying countries that punish prostitution harder also often have higher rape stats. Guess what, according to wiki Sweden had the 4th highest rape stats per capita in the whole world. And the USA sits in 10th spot.

Scary stuff (click on 2010): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Sweden was in 3rd place in 2008 and 2009

From that same page you linked it shows Canada has higher percent of rapes than Sweden does so not sure what point you are trying to make here...
Even for reported crimes we are nearly double

 

[gustave55]

TeeJay, on that wiki page, police reported rape offenses in Canada vary between 1,4 and 1,8 per 100000 for the years 2003 to 2010. They vary between 25 and 63 per 100000 during the same period in Sweden. They more then doubled during that period. In Canada we have a slow but constant decrease during the same period. You have to go at the bottom of the page to find the aggregated statistics.

Some suggested that it may be linked to the implementation of the new prostitution law in Sweden. It is very hard to determine. Variability in rape statistics is not linked only to the real incidence of rape, it is also linked to the decisions by the victims to report them to the police. There is a swift feminist momentum in Sweden during those year, the so-called "Swedish model" being of result of it. It may have encouraged more victims of rape to report to the police.

 

[AK-47]

From that same page you linked it shows Canada has higher percent of rapes than Sweden does so not sure what point you are trying to make here...
Even for reported crimes we are nearly double

What gustave said.

Also, Canada has almost 4 times the population then Sweden has:

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=+...as_rights=#as_qdr=all&lr=&q=population+canada

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=+...as_rights=#as_qdr=all&lr=&q=population+sweden

For a country which prides itself on human rights, liberty......etc, Sweden has insanely high rape statistics

 

[TeasePlease]

TeeJay, on that wiki page, police reported rape offenses in Canada vary between 1,4 and 1,8 per 100000 for the years 2003 to 2010. They vary between 25 and 63 per 100000 during the same period in Sweden. They more then doubled during that period. In Canada we have a slow but constant decrease during the same period. You have to go at the bottom of the page to find the aggregated statistics.

Some suggested that it may be linked to the implementation of the new prostitution law in Sweden. It is very hard to determine. Variability in rape statistics is not linked only to the real incidence of rape, it is also linked to the decisions by the victims to report them to the police. There is a swift feminist momentum in Sweden during those year, the so-called "Swedish model" being of result of it. It may have encouraged more victims of rape to report to the police.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I have two (civilian) friends who have been raped, plus more MPAs who have been assaulted in their jobs. They all elected not to report the rapes for various reasons.

The stigma of being raped and the threat to loss of privacy are major factors.

This is the main thing I'd like to see changed in Canada - to make it easier for victims to report sex crimes by safeguarding their privacy.

 

[AK-47]

Amnesty International wants prostitution legalized worldwide:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/opinion/morgan-amnesty-prostitution/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Of course that stupid, ugly Robin Morgan cow over at CNN is against the whole thing, even though it doesnt affect her in any way. If she's not having good sex then nobody else is allowed to have sex either

Is Amnesty International going to condone prostitution?

What if the world's most distinguished human rights organization decided to condone pimping? Unthinkable, right? But that's what happened when Amnesty International put forth a document calling for the legalization of prostitution.

For 50 years, the global women's movement has been fighting the selling and buying of human beings, which has a name: slavery. For decades, feminists called for criminalizing the buyers while decriminalizing the women they buy; offering women support services ranging from safe harbor through drug rehabilitation to education and skills training; and enforcing laws that criminalize pimps, traffickers and brothel owners.

The response was that it would never work (and feminists were crazy, sex-hating Puritans).

The sex industry fought back, both openly -- It's the "oldest profession, always been with us"; it represents "sexual liberation" -- and covertly, through funding happy-hooker-type groups, rebranding prostitution as "sex work," and praising it as a career choice indistinguishable from any other. Have you ever met an 8-year-old who said, "Ooh, I wanna grow up to be a hooker"?

The numbers of prostituted women who suffer post-traumatic stress disorder are in the same range as combat veterans and refugees from state sponsored torture. They are also disproportionately survivors of child sexual and physical abuse, rape and battery, kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, and addiction to drugs and/or alcohol.

Vednita Carter, a survivor activist, has noted that every prostituted woman has been forced, whether or not she seems to "choose willingly." Racism, violence and poverty are ever present forms of coercion in the sex industry; consequently, poor women and women of color have a disproportionately large presence. And we're only now discovering the enormous impact of prostitution on women in native communities.

As the survivors succinctly depict it: $ Does Not = Consent.

There is, as Kathleen Barry pointed out in her classic, "The Prostitution of Sexuality," a single interrelated mega-enterprise of sexual exploitation.

We know the trajectory of, say, a young runaway from an abusive home: First, the offer of work in "films." Then, the "temporary" turning of a trick or two, which becomes a permanent deployment in prostitution. Finally, she finds herself being moved around as a trafficked commodity.

Despite this reality, the phrase "sex work" became fashionable among some well-meaning people who assumed that this term meant respect for the women involved -- when actually it signifies approval for the context in which such women were trying to stay barely alive, or from which they were trying to escape.

Nevertheless, progress seemed possible. Sweden, Norway, and Iceland passed legislation holding customers responsible for buying human beings for sex, criminalizing the buyers and offering the women support programs.

This is known as the Nordic Model. The French parliament voted last December to follow Sweden's model; similar laws are pending in the parliaments of Belgium, Ireland, Scotland and Canada, and the European Parliament favored it with a strongly affirmative vote on February 24, 2014.

See, the model works. Since Sweden began enforcement, street prostitution has been reduced almost by half and trafficking has declined. This unglues the arguments of those who treat trafficking as a separate issue from "sex work." Is it less enslaving to be bought in your own country rather than another? Contrarily, countries with legalized prostitution have greater inflows of human trafficking, according to a study published in ScienceDirect.

Then, just when it seemed sanity was winning, the respected human rights organization Amnesty International appears to have come out on the side of the sex industry.

An Amnesty International document, "Decriminalization of Sex Work," argues that pimps and johns should be "free from government interference" and allowed to "exercise their autonomy."

It says governments have an obligation to establish an environment where pimps can operate freely to engage prostituted people; to do otherwise "threatens the rights to health, nondiscrimination, equality, privacy, and security of persons." The document also insults the disability community by claiming that men with disabilities require access to prostituted women to further their sense of "life enjoyment and dignity."

Amnesty International has argued that the document is a draft and is in the discussion stage. But Amnesty International representatives appeared at the Northern Ireland Assembly in January, lobbying to strike down proposed legislation that would criminalize customers for buying prostituted women.

What's even more stunning is that a former member of Amnesty, is proudly claiming credit for having first raised the issue of legalizing pimps and brothel owners at the organization, which he says resulted in the policy recommendation. A campaigner for the International Union of Sex Workers who and calls himself a "sex worker", he and his partner run a major escort service. Amnesty, however, denies his involvement in the draft document, saying he had "zero input." Amnesty came to this on its own, then? Hard to know which is worse.

It took decades for the global women's movement to convince Amnesty that human rights were not reserved for male people. Now, Amnesty International London has set things back by considering a shocking violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

But this time, the "crazy, puritanical feminists" can't be dismissed; we're backed by national governments who've proved our point—and saved women's lives. This time survivors must be heard.

On March 8, a mass protest will be held at Amnesty International's London headquarters, and a worldwide virtual protest is building online. A global petition to Amnesty and a Facebook page called Virtual Protest of Amnesty International has full information. We hope Amnesty will regain its soul -- and realize that survivors' rights are women's rights are human rights

 

[TeasePlease]

Vic Toews has been appointed to the court of queens bench in Manitoba, with rumors that he will get the nod for the SCC next year. If he does, he will be a vocal conservative member. He has taken hard stances on abortion and porn. Does not bode well for future sex law challenges.

 

[canada-man]

Vic Toews was recently outed as a hypocrite preaching family values while cheating on his wife . I am not worried about him

 

[TeeJay]

TeeJay, on that wiki page, police reported rape offenses in Canada vary between 1,4 and 1,8 per 100000 for the years 2003 to 2010. They vary between 25 and 63 per 100000 during the same period in Sweden. They more then doubled during that period. In Canada we have a slow but constant decrease during the same period. You have to go at the bottom of the page to find the aggregated statistics.

Some suggested that it may be linked to the implementation of the new prostitution law in Sweden. It is very hard to determine. Variability in rape statistics is not linked only to the real incidence of rape, it is also linked to the decisions by the victims to report them to the police. There is a swift feminist momentum in Sweden during those year, the so-called "Swedish model" being of result of it. It may have encouraged more victims of rape to report to the police.

Actually thats even funnier because then the stats do not even make sense (contradict themselves even)
From the linked page we see 576 cases in Canada which is 1.7 per 100,000

34 million+ people in Canada that year http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo02a-eng.htm
1.7 per 100,000 correlates to more than 576 (do the math )

Then even worse, the part I read above (under Canada) even further refutes that figure (after looking at numbers I have a feeling someone either edited Wiki or else is confused) since despite the absurdly low figure of 576 quoted on Wiki, StatsCan shows nearly 22,000 that year & thats not even counting the additional nearly 4000 sexual assault against children) http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11692/tbl/tbl04-eng.htm

Sweden reporting is also way diff than us http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

 

[TeeJay]

What gustave said.

Also, Canada has almost 4 times the population then Sweden has:

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=+...as_rights=#as_qdr=all&lr=&q=population+canada

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=+...as_rights=#as_qdr=all&lr=&q=population+sweden

For a country which prides itself on human rights, liberty......etc, Sweden has insanely high rape statistics

The Wiki link is BS
If you could google pop searches one would think you would realize stats can easily be verified at the source
I posted a more detailed reply above to G but the raw figures are here (576 lol @ Wiki & anyone trying to base research on it)

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo02a-eng.htm
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11692/tbl/tbl04-eng.htm

576 on Wiki
26,000+ on Statscan
Hmm

Sweden has superhigh stats because of how they report sexual assault
We have way more rape than they do
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

 

[TeeJay]

For the Swedish cases as well, the Wiki link is 100% BS
Why? For those interested here is a link
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

The most important point is here:

"In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics," she says.

"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."

 

[TeeJay]

I looked it up and it seems to be very close to what we have in Canada

lol not even close

 

[gustave55]

34 million+ people in Canada that year http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo02a-eng.htm
1.7 per 100,000 correlates to more than 576 (do the math )

579/(34000000/100000)= 1,7

When my calculations yield different results than SatCan, I am wrong 100% of the times. Their math ability is pretty good.

The Wiki table we are talking about was compiled by the UNODC. I did not check but see no reason why it would have been edited.

These statistics include rapes only, not all types of sexual crimes. Rapes are a small fraction (less then 5%) of sexual crimes even if people, at U of Ottawa, tend to conflate any sexual misconduct with rape (the rape culture as they call it).

UNODC is not responsible for compiling stats at country levels. But they tend to do a pretty good work at making sure the comparisons are made on comparable statistics.

The quote by the swedish sociologist in the article your cite may be right, at least partially. But I would give more credibility to an explanation given directly by the Statistiska Centralbyran, their StanCan. That being said, it is obvious that rape reporting do not compare well between countries, cultures and across time. India has rates comparable to Canada for example.

 

[TeasePlease]

Vic Toews was recently outed as a hypocrite preaching family values while cheating on his wife . I am not worried about him

The funny hint about being a judge is that you don't have to worry about re-elections or public opinion

 

[trtinajax]

TeeJay, on that wiki page, police reported rape offenses in Canada vary between 1,4 and 1,8 per 100000 for the years 2003 to 2010. They vary between 25 and 63 per 100000 during the same period in Sweden. They more then doubled during that period. In Canada we have a slow but constant decrease during the same period. You have to go at the bottom of the page to find the aggregated statistics.

Some suggested that it may be linked to the implementation of the new prostitution law in Sweden. It is very hard to determine. Variability in rape statistics is not linked only to the real incidence of rape, it is also linked to the decisions by the victims to report them to the police. There is a swift feminist momentum in Sweden during those year, the so-called "Swedish model" being of result of it. It may have encouraged more victims of rape to report to the police.

I have looked at the Swedish rape statistics and the problem seems to be a combination of the Nordic Model and the vast immigration of Muslims that Sweden has experienced over this time frame. According to business associates in Sweden maybe 25% of the increase being committed by native Swedes.

 

[TeasePlease]

I have looked at the Swedish rape statistics and the problem seems to be a combination of the Nordic Model and the vast immigration of Muslims that Sweden has experienced over this time frame. According to business associates in Sweden maybe 25% of the increase being committed by native Swedes.

What were the data sets used in your statistical analysis correlating Swedish sex crimes and immigration?

Did your business associates perform a similarly robust analysis to support the 25% estimate?