With no career prospects and a pile of student debt, I thought prostitution was...

eldoguy

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This lady with a Degree, damaged goods, is a cop out! Is waiting for the world to knock on her door. Will proably end up with some old guy with $$. She better hurry, her looks has an expiry date. The guys in bars, she has already figured it out, most are douches. This lady wants too be a lifetime pary girl. Hopefully she finds love.
 

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I wonder if working as an escort counts towards her college's job placement upon graduation statistic....
 

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This lady with a Degree, damaged goods, is a cop out! Is waiting for the world to knock on her door. Will proably end up with some old guy with $$. She better hurry, her looks has an expiry date. The guys in bars, she has already figured it out, most are douches. This lady wants too be a lifetime pary girl. Hopefully she finds love.

Thats a shitload of assumptions right there!
 

explorerzip

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I think this girl's essay is a good comment on what's happening to an entire generation of kids. She's definitely not the only one of her generation that is struggling to find work. We basically have a whole generation that will always be under-employed. Is it her fault for picking a "useless" degree? Perhaps it is, but what about the teachers and guidance councillors? Do they not carry some responsibility for guiding kids to make good career choices especially when the parents have no clue either. I don't know anyone else's experience, but I think that guidance councillors are basically useless when it comes to advising kids on making career choices. It seems high schools and universities are totally out of touch with what skills businesses are looking for.
 

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Ugh. That "interview" part is so upsetting. Who the fuck does that?
How do we know the writer isn't lying? For how long could an agency "interviewer" get away with such tactics?
 

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How do we know the writer isn't lying? For how long could an agency "interviewer" get away with such tactics?
That's a great Q! I have no idea. I get shocked enough by the casual comments in bp/cl reviews that mention the keeper guy in the hallway or even in the room. Clearly folks support that, well aware their money is going to that dude. Who knows what anyone can get away with.

This is why I'm pro-high end mp's, well-run agencies, and strict strip clubs. Especially female owned. It doesn't have To be like that girls story. There are better options out there.
 
When I started in the business I called an experienced, mature SP for some advice/tips on the industry and how to navigate it. I too have gladly given advice to younger, more inexperienced SPs in the hopes that they can avoid any of the pitfalls I encountered in the beginning, when I was naive to the industry. When I read this article, it seems to me that her friend was not exactly giving her the best advice. Like any job, ask an experienced, successful person for advice. Friends can be well intentioned, but not necessarily the best source of information.
 

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I think that guidance councillors are basically useless when it comes to advising kids on making career choices. It seems high schools and universities are totally out of touch with what skills businesses are looking for.

I couldn't agree more. University is expensive, time consuming, and with no guarantee of a job at the end. She just seems like another product of the "lost generation"
 

explorerzip

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When I started in the business I called an experienced, mature SP for some advice/tips on the industry and how to navigate it. I too have gladly given advice to younger, more inexperienced SPs in the hopes that they can avoid any of the pitfalls I encountered in the beginning, when I was naive to the industry. When I read this article, it seems to me that her friend was not exactly giving her the best advice. Like any job, ask an experienced, successful person for advice. Friends can be well intentioned, but not necessarily the best source of information.
It's hard enough to get good information about civilian jobs. I can't imagine the challenge of getting accurate information about the escorting business.
 

explorerzip

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I couldn't agree more. University is expensive, time consuming, and with no guarantee of a job at the end. She just seems like another product of the "lost generation"
Sad thing is that so many jobs out there don't require a degree. I don't know why so many parents and educators are pushing kids to university when college is perfectly fine.

Another issue is that kids have less time to "explore" career options during high school since there's only 4 years. Harris made quite the mess getting rid of grade 13 when you look at things now. The double cohort generation are all looking for work now and are competing for too few jobs.
 

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Sad thing is that so many jobs out there don't require a degree. I don't know why so many parents and educators are pushing kids to university when college is perfectly fine.

Another issue is that kids have less time to "explore" career options during high school since there's only 4 years. Harris made quite the mess getting rid of grade 13 when you look at things now. The double cohort generation are all looking for work now and are competing for too few jobs.

All agreed.

But, I feel little sympathy for the kids whoever undergrads in English lit or geography and expect management positions when they graduate. Ppl still expect that university is necessarily a pathway to a career. That started changing 30 years ago. If you wanted the guarantee of a job, you should have taken a vocational degree.
 

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All agreed.

But, I feel little sympathy for the kids whoever undergrads in English lit or geography and expect management positions when they graduate. Ppl still expect that university is necessarily a pathway to a career. That started changing 30 years ago. If you wanted the guarantee of a job, you should have taken a vocational degree.
There's no such thing as a guaranteed job even if you're studying a trade. It depends on what is in demand. If there's one thing the school system needs to teach kids to do, it's how to stay employable i.e. how to build skills and experience even when you're not working. I think that's easier these days because of the huge amount of courses (a lot of them free) that you can do on-line.

There was a time when you could get in to just about any company with an English, Geography, Sociology or whatever degree. You would start at the mail room, receptionist, etc and work your way up. The problem is that those entry level jobs are long gone and you have a lot of "top-heavy" companies. In other words, you have a lot of managers with few staff doing the actual work.

I wonder what the long term effects will be of having so many of the X and Y generation in employment limbo while carrying a big pile of student debt? The boomers will have to downgrade eventually and some will need nursing homes. So how will we sustain the safety net when so many young people that could not find work? What's going to happen to housing prices when the X's and Y's finally start shopping around?
 

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Not guaranteed employment. But, it's arguably unrealistic to expect a well paying job with a degree that has little practical application.
 

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All agreed.

But, I feel little sympathy for the kids whoever undergrads in English lit or geography and expect management positions when they graduate. Ppl still expect that university is necessarily a pathway to a career. That started changing 30 years ago. If you wanted the guarantee of a job, you should have taken a vocational degree.
40 years ago people were not pushing kids into university after they graduate from highschool. Universities were not pathways to careers
 

ValeriaBeleza

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Moral of the story.....work for women!
From experience women are as bad as pimps.... regardless of the gender if someone knows or thinks that has power over you and you let them they would do whatever they want...
For me Independent is the better deal.... IMHO
 

explorerzip

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40 years ago people were not pushing kids into university after they graduate from highschool. Universities were not pathways to careers
It also depends on what you do with that university education. Kevin O'Leary studied environmental studies and Robert Herjavec studied English literature; totally useless degrees. As far as I know, Arlene Dickinson and Jim Treliving only have a high school education. So you can be wildly successful with a university education or not, it just depends on how you use your education.

I'm just wondering if we've set the bar too low for people to get in and stay in school.
 

GPIDEAL

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1. Assholes are assholes, sober or drunk.

2. Not every one, but there's a reason why better agencies and spas are run by women (I submit because they appeal to women staff...the lifeblood of the sex biz). Having said that, I've also heard that working for a woman pimp can, in some ways, be worse. They know the excuses and tricks; they can be more demanding.

3. It depends on what you mean by making ends meet. I agree that we have an employment problem. Our job market is undeniably shifting towards McJobs. We need to create higher paying jobs that lead to careers.

4. I'm sure that individual circumstances exist that compel certain women to sell sex. But I don't buy it as a general proposition.
1. Hey, I've even worked for some.

2. A woman owner can be tougher yes as she's more immune to another woman's charms.

3. I personally know of young women who work PT to balance or meet their personal budget. Then there are those who do it full time to afford them i) leisure time and ii) purchasing power. If they can handle the work, they're fine. Some can't and only do it PT or with regulars they like.

4. No, not a general proposition although one indy said it was more common among young ladies without family/home support than one might think.
 

GPIDEAL

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From experience women are as bad as pimps.... regardless of the gender if someone knows or thinks that has power over you and you let them they would do whatever they want...
For me Independent is the better deal.... IMHO

Valeria, your pic has power over me. :cool:
 

D-Fens

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There's no such thing as a guaranteed job even if you're studying a trade. It depends on what is in demand. If there's one thing the school system needs to teach kids to do, it's how to stay employable i.e. how to build skills and experience even when you're not working. I think that's easier these days because of the huge amount of courses (a lot of them free) that you can do on-line.

There was a time when you could get in to just about any company with an English, Geography, Sociology or whatever degree. You would start at the mail room, receptionist, etc and work your way up. The problem is that those entry level jobs are long gone and you have a lot of "top-heavy" companies. In other words, you have a lot of managers with few staff doing the actual work.

I wonder what the long term effects will be of having so many of the X and Y generation in employment limbo while carrying a big pile of student debt? The boomers will have to downgrade eventually and some will need nursing homes. So how will we sustain the safety net when so many young people that could not find work? What's going to happen to housing prices when the X's and Y's finally start shopping around?
Not to mention many boomers are working way pass 65.

I remember when my Dad first came here in the early 70s. He would walk down the street and people would literally stop him and ask him if he wanted a job. The Auto industry was in its prime and there were tons of manufacturing jobs they would literally beg people to work for them. That's how many jobs there were. My Dad applied at a plant that manufactured car parts. They asked him a couple questions about his availability and the interview ended with "You start Monday" He was at that job for almost 40 years. Full pension benefits, everything.

Today you go through 3 interviews to get a job at Chapters. Now a days if you get a job it is very unlikely you will be there for 40 years.
 
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