Good for you. Too bad the issue isn't what you like or don't like. It's about the fact that the agreement has never been released.
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You're arguing with the New York Times now. Seriously, reflect on how wrong you are: You are arguing with the New York times now.Good for you. Too bad the issue isn't what you like or don't like. It's about the fact that the agreement has never been released.
I've got no problem with that when I know the agreement was never released.You're arguing with the New York Times now. Seriously, reflect on how wrong you are: You are arguing with the New York times now.
However, we know that this is fact: "The accord with the P.L.O., known as the Cairo Agreement, was signed in the Egyptian capital in 1969 by Yasir Arafat and Gen. Emile Boustany, then commander of the Lebanese Army. It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."I've got no problem with that when I know the agreement was never released.
Seriously, when you find yourself disputing the news as published in a world leading newspaper, it's time to consider whether you might, just maybe, be wrong.
That's not from the agreement because the agreement has never been released.However, we know that this is fact: "The accord with the P.L.O., known as the Cairo Agreement, was signed in the Egyptian capital in 1969 by Yasir Arafat and Gen. Emile Boustany, then commander of the Lebanese Army. It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
Seriously, when you find yourself disputing the news as published in a world leading newspaper, it's time to consider whether you might, just maybe, be wrong.
Again, when you get to the point where you are arguing with the facts in the NYT, you're fucked.That's not from the agreement because the agreement has never been released.
When the New York Times gets them I'll be pleased to revisit this. But, they don't have the agreement.Again, when you get to the point where you are arguing with the facts in the NYT, you're fucked.
So they're lying?When the New York Times gets them I'll be pleased to revisit this. But, they don't have the agreement.
So they're lying? They wrote this unequivocally, as an absolute fact: "It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."They have no access to the agreement.
Try to remember this: they have no access to the agreement.So they're lying? They wrote this unequivocally, as an absolute fact: "It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
Deny, deny deny.Try to remember this: they have no access to the agreement.
"It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
They still don't have access to the agreement. That air of panic is coming over you again.Deny, deny deny.
"It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
How do you know what they have access to?They still don't have access to the agreement. That air of panic is coming over you again.
They obviously have access you proof of this: "It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
The agreement has never been released. You've got nothing, as usual RobHow do you know what they have access to?
They obviously have access you proof of this: "It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
The agreement was published unofficially in the Lebanese press. All the NYT needed was authoritative confirmation from a Lebanese government source that the published version was accurate. Do you know for a fact they don't have that confirmation?The agreement has never been released. You've got nothing, as usual Rob
Prove it.
BTW, here's the text you say was never released:
On Monday, 3rd November 1969, the Lebanese delegation headed by Army Commander General Emile al-Bustani, and the Palestine Liberation Organization delegation, headed by Mr. Yasir 'Arafat, chairman of the organization, met in Cairo in the presence of the United Arab Republic Minister of Foreign Affairs Mahmud Riyad, and the War Minister, General Muhammad Fawzi.
In consonance with the bonds of brotherhood and common destiny, relations between Lebanon and the Palestinian revolution must always be conducted on the bases of confidence, frankness, and positive cooperation for the benefit of Lebanon and the Palestinian revolution and within the framework of Lebanon's sovereignty and security. The two delegations agreed on the following principles and measures:
The Palestinian Presence
It was agreed to reorganize the Palestinian presence in Lebanon on the following bases:
1. The right to work, residence, and movement for Palestinians currently residing in Lebanon;
2. The formation of local committees composed of Palestinians in the camps to care for the interests of Palestinians residing in these camps in cooperation with the local Lebanese authorities within the framework of Lebanese sovereignty;
3. The establishment of posts of the Palestinian Armed Struggle [PASC] inside the camps for the purpose of cooperation with the local committees to ensure good relations with the Lebanese authorities. These posts shall undertake the task of regulating and determining the presence of arms in the camps within the framework of Lebanese security and the interests of the Palestinian revolution;
4. Palestinians resident in Lebanon are to be permitted to participate in the Palestinian revolution through the Armed Struggle and in accordance with the principles of the sovereignty and security of Lebanon.
Commando Activity
It was agreed to facilitate commando activity by means of:
1. Facilitating the passage of commandos and specifying points of passage and reconnaissance in the border areas;
2. Safeguarding the road to the 'Arqub region;
3. The Armed Struggle shall undertake to control the conduct of all the members of its organizations and [to ensure] their non-interference in Lebanese affairs;
4. Establishing a joint command control of the Armed Struggle and the Lebanese Army;
5. Ending the propaganda campaigns by both sides;
6. Conducting a census of Armed Struggle personnel in Lebanon by their command.
7. Appointing Armed Struggle representatives at Lebanese Army headquarters to participate in the resolution of all emergency matters;
8. Studying the distribution of all suitable points of concentration in border areas which will be agreed with the Lebanese Army command;
9. Regulating the entry, exit, and circulation of Armed Struggle personnel;
10. Removal of the Jiyrun base.
11. The Lebanese Army shall facilitate the operation of medical, evacuation, and supply centers for commando activity;
12. Releasing detained personnel and confiscated arms;
13. It is understood that the Lebanese authorities, both civil and military, shall continue to exercise all their prerogatives and responsibilities in all areas of Lebanon in all circumstances;
14. The two delegations affirm that the Palestinian armed struggle is in the interest of Lebanon as well as in that of the Palestinian revolution and all Arabs;
15. This agreement shall remain Top Secret and for the eyes of the commands only.
Head of Lebanese delegation
Emile Bustani
Head of Palestinian delegation
Yasir 'Arafat
On Monday, 3rd November 1969, the Lebanese delegation headed by Army Commander General Emile al-Bustani, and the Palestine Liberation Organization delegation, headed by Mr. Yasir 'Arafat, chairman of the organization, met in Cairo in the presence of the United Arab Republic Minister of Foreign Affairs Mahmud Riyad, and the War Minister, General Muhammad Fawzi.
In consonance with the bonds of brotherhood and common destiny, relations between Lebanon and the Palestinian revolution must always be conducted on the bases of confidence, frankness, and positive cooperation for the benefit of Lebanon and the Palestinian revolution and within the framework of Lebanon's sovereignty and security. The two delegations agreed on the following principles and measures:
The Palestinian Presence
It was agreed to reorganize the Palestinian presence in Lebanon on the following bases:
1. The right to work, residence, and movement for Palestinians currently residing in Lebanon;
2. The formation of local committees composed of Palestinians in the camps to care for the interests of Palestinians residing in these camps in cooperation with the local Lebanese authorities within the framework of Lebanese sovereignty;
3. The establishment of posts of the Palestinian Armed Struggle [PASC] inside the camps for the purpose of cooperation with the local committees to ensure good relations with the Lebanese authorities. These posts shall undertake the task of regulating and determining the presence of arms in the camps within the framework of Lebanese security and the interests of the Palestinian revolution;
4. Palestinians resident in Lebanon are to be permitted to participate in the Palestinian revolution through the Armed Struggle and in accordance with the principles of the sovereignty and security of Lebanon.
Commando Activity
It was agreed to facilitate commando activity by means of:
1. Facilitating the passage of commandos and specifying points of passage and reconnaissance in the border areas;
2. Safeguarding the road to the 'Arqub region;
3. The Armed Struggle shall undertake to control the conduct of all the members of its organizations and [to ensure] their non-interference in Lebanese affairs;
4. Establishing a joint command control of the Armed Struggle and the Lebanese Army;
5. Ending the propaganda campaigns by both sides;
6. Conducting a census of Armed Struggle personnel in Lebanon by their command.
7. Appointing Armed Struggle representatives at Lebanese Army headquarters to participate in the resolution of all emergency matters;
8. Studying the distribution of all suitable points of concentration in border areas which will be agreed with the Lebanese Army command;
9. Regulating the entry, exit, and circulation of Armed Struggle personnel;
10. Removal of the Jiyrun base.
11. The Lebanese Army shall facilitate the operation of medical, evacuation, and supply centers for commando activity;
12. Releasing detained personnel and confiscated arms;
13. It is understood that the Lebanese authorities, both civil and military, shall continue to exercise all their prerogatives and responsibilities in all areas of Lebanon in all circumstances;
14. The two delegations affirm that the Palestinian armed struggle is in the interest of Lebanon as well as in that of the Palestinian revolution and all Arabs;
15. This agreement shall remain Top Secret and for the eyes of the commands only.
Head of Lebanese delegation
Emile Bustani
Head of Palestinian delegation
Yasir 'Arafat
The agreement has never been released and the NYT makes no claim to have access. Don't waste my time looking to save face.The agreement was published unofficially in the Lebanese press. All the NYT needed was authoritative confirmation from a Lebanese government source that the published version was accurate. Do you know for a fact they don't have that confirmation?
Prove it.
The agreement was leaked to the Lebanese press. Everybody has access. I just posted it. All the NYT needs is a source in the Lebanese government, the Egyptian government, or the PLO vouching for the accuracy of the leaked text.The agreement has never been released and the NYT makes no claim to have access. Don't waste my time looking to save face.
Plainly they have proof that "It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
Why didn't you provide the source again, Robbie? Leaked? In other words, not the report. Are you five years old?The agreement was leaked to the Lebanese press. Everybody has access. I just posted it. All the NYT needs is a source in the Lebanese government, the Egyptian government, or the PLO vouching for the accuracy of the leaked text.
Plainly they have proof it says this:
"It allowed the guerrillas to establish military bases in Lebanon and conduct cross border operations against Israel."
