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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/01/15/262721899/videos-show-asiana-victim-was-run-over-despite-warnings

Newly revealed videos show that some emergency personnel did know there was a victim lying on the ground near the burning wreckage of an Asiana Airlines passenger jet last July in San Francisco and that they warned other first responders at the scene.

But fire trucks later ran over the teenage victim at least twice.

The local coroner has previously ruled that 16-year-old Ye Meng Yuan of China survived the crash of the flight from Seoul, only to die from "crushing injuries consistent with [being struck by] a motor vehicle."

When first responders got to the scene, Ye was lying on the ground near the burning jet. At first, officials said the drivers of the trucks that hit her might not have seen the teenager because she had been covered by foam spread by other firefighters. The foam may still have played a critical role.

Tuesday evening, CBS News broadcast clips from videos taken during the hectic moments at the scene that add more detail to the tragic events. The images come from a helmet camera worn by one firefighter and from a camera mounted on one of the emergency vehicles.

CBS says its sources for the videos include someone "close to the family of Ye Meng Yuan." The family is suing the city of San Francisco, "claiming that the rescuers were reckless and poorly trained."

As CBS SF Bay Area (KPIX5-TV) says, the videos show "firefighters being warned more than once about the location of [the] teenage victim." In early parts of the videos, what appears to be the teen's body had not yet been covered by foam.

But as firefighters sprayed the plane and surrounding area with foam, it appears that Ye did get covered. It was "some 15 minutes after the [first] driver was ... alerted about the victim" that she was run over, CBS says.

Why hadn't she been moved before that could happen? That question hasn't been answered. But CBS does report that a fire department lieutenant who was at the scene later told investigators that "she made a three-second visual assessment" of the girl and concluded "that's our first casualty" — indicating that she might have believed Ye was dead. The lieutenant testified that she did not check Ye's vital signs, CBS says.

Last month, as KPIX5 adds, San Francisco Fire Department Chief Joanne Hayes-White said: "Our members that day had difficult decisions to make. One was visualizing someone that appeared to be dead versus going onto the burning plane with reports of people that still needed to be rescued."

Two other people died from injuries they sustained during the crash. The other 304 people aboard survived. Investigators believe the plane was traveling at too low a speed and too low an altitude before its tail struck a seawall. The impact sent the jet twisting and twirling down the runway.
Horrible for the family to find out that their only daughter who survived a plane crash was killed by being run over by a rescue vehicle/fire truck. RIP
 

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It was a sad, tragic, chaotic situation all around.

A lawsuit? Maybe it will help with some procedures and training being established for future emergencies.

Not so crazy about blaming the FD, when they were trying to save lives, despite the chaos.
 

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There will be a lawsuit against the Airline and the City, there will be a settlement and the case will not go to trial and the insurance company and the city will decide the degree to which each is responsible (airline more so, city less so).

As already said no one did this deliberately it is a sad part of a crash such as this being a tragic, sad, and chaotic situation.
 

GameBoy27

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It was a sad, tragic, chaotic situation all around.

A lawsuit? Maybe it will help with some procedures and training being established for future emergencies.

Not so crazy about blaming the FD, when they were trying to save lives, despite the chaos.
Several Firefighters acknowledged the girl laying on the grass. Not one of them followed procedures to evaluate her condition to see if she had a pulse and was breathing. Had they done that, they would have realized she was in fact alive. Instead, they just left her there, covered her in foam and ran over her, twice. Good case for a lawsuit if you ask me.
 

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There will be a lawsuit against the Airline and the City, there will be a settlement and the case will not go to trial and the insurance company and the city will decide the degree to which each is responsible (airline more so, city less so).

As already said no one did this deliberately it is a sad part of a crash such as this being a tragic, sad, and chaotic situation.
And imperfect though it is, liability law is an essential part of improving the response operations for the future so that another such tragedy does not occur. It takes a whole lot more than a few firefighters saying 'I wish I'd done different'.
 

GameBoy27

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And imperfect though it is, liability law is an essential part of improving the response operations for the future so that another such tragedy does not occur. It takes a whole lot more than a few firefighters saying 'I wish I'd done different'.
Bingo!
 

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"Our members that day had difficult decisions to make. One was visualizing someone that appeared to be dead versus going onto the burning plane with reports of people that still needed to be rescued."

Here is the difficult choice. Do you spend valuable time and resources trying save one person or 300 people?
 

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"Our members that day had difficult decisions to make. One was visualizing someone that appeared to be dead versus going onto the burning plane with reports of people that still needed to be rescued."
After watching the videos, several Firefighters reported the girl laying on the ground but not one of them took 5 seconds to determine if she was alive (which she was). Nor did they all immediately run towards the aircraft to rescue other passengers. In Canada, The National Trauma Triage Protocol states: Step 1: "Measure Vital Signs and Level of Consciousness". I suspect it's no different in the US.

They however simply assumed she was dead. In other words, they f*cked up!

Here is the difficult choice. Do you spend valuable time and resources trying save one person or 300 people?
They weren't the only Firefighters on the scene. Surely one of them could have checked to see if she was alive. As it turns out, she was one of only three fatalities.
 

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"Our members that day had difficult decisions to make. One was visualizing someone that appeared to be dead versus going onto the burning plane with reports of people that still needed to be rescued."

Here is the difficult choice. Do you spend valuable time and resources trying save one person or 300 people?
However in this instance it seems no one actually did the examination the spokesperson is talking about, and that makes your 'equation' a non-issue. Since one can't blame the victim for being unconscious, nor train her not to let herself get hidden by foam, one has to look to improving the performance of the responders who were so focussed on fire suppression that they ignored a victim they first endangered, then actually killed.

The simple question no one is talking about is what was the SFFD's SOP for identifying and marking unconscious casualties so later responders could find them. Or be fully confident that's just a dead body they can plow on over.
 

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This incident follows the story line used by the three stooges & keystone cops in their comedies.
 
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