I'm sure we can cut 75% of public sector employees and nobody working outside the public sector would notice the difference. Most of these jobs are non-essential, do we really need 200 managers for a government agency with 600 employees? Also, the fact that they're unionized and the salaries, benefits and pensions of these public sector employees far exceeds that of the private sector is worrisome. Nobody seems to care about wasted tax dollars, when you have a Liberal in power all they have to do is raise taxes and the herd will continue voting for them again.
Are Canadian police paid too much?
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Your forgiven.A job is a job,bottom line.Other people put thier life on the line everyday in other blue collar jobs and don't recieve near the pay of cops,nurses,etc.lol i'm sorry, i didnt realize that people who clean offices or work at mcd's put their lives on the line daily, have to expose themselves to communicable diseases, violence, dying people, take responsibility over the lives of others, work 12 hours shifts, be on call when they're not working, and have to manage high stress situations on a daily. my bad!
i dont think anyone is looking down on cleaning people, but sorry, you cant compare the role of a trauma nurse to an office cleaner. i'm sure you can see the difference there. ??
More construction workers are killed on the job in Ontario than cops or firemen or nurses.
EDIT.Read this.
http://www.dcnonl.com/article/id53386
How many hours work does that represent?$80,000 - $100,000 seems good for cops with 15 - 20 years experience. Not 3. And it shouldn't just be based on seniority. In fact, seniority should be the smallest factor in determining salary. Performance and responsibilities should be paramount.
So true.I'm sure we can cut 75% of public sector employees and nobody working outside the public sector would notice the difference. Most of these jobs are non-essential, do we really need 200 managers for a government agency with 600 employees? Also, the fact that they're unionized and the salaries, benefits and pensions of these public sector employees far exceeds that of the private sector is worrisome. Nobody seems to care about wasted tax dollars, when you have a Liberal in power all they have to do is raise taxes and the herd will continue voting for them again.
Name 6 jobs that have the dangers that policing and firefighter face every day? Please don't talk construction industry as we handled that one, full stop, in past threads. Comparing body count just won't cut it. There are deaths in construction industry much as a result of the lack of training the workers get, the lack of education they have, and the lack of safety standards not followed by their employers. The total is ale a function of how many construction worker there are in the industry perhaps 500,000 in total, across Canada. The low numbers of officers deaths on the job has as much to do with the manpower, technical, organizational support behind them, not just the individual officers.Your forgiven.A job is a job,bottom line.Other people put thier life on the line everyday in other blue collar jobs and don't recieve near the pay of cops,nurses,etc.
More construction workers are killed on the job in Ontario than cops or firemen or nurses.
EDIT.Read this.
http://www.dcnonl.com/article/id53386
So can we chalk up driving reckless with out a seat belt, believing your body is stronger than a snowplow and grabbing a steering-wheel of a moving vehicle up to lack of education and safety standards not followed by employers?There are deaths in construction industry much as a result of the lack of training the workers get, the lack of education they have, and the lack of safety standards not followed by their employers. .
If you want to talk about the dangers of a certain jobs like cops then body count does count.Name 6 jobs that have the dangers that policing and firefighter face every day? Please don't talk construction industry as we handled that one, full stop, in past threads. Comparing body count just won't cut it. There are deaths in construction industry much as a result of the lack of training the workers get, the lack of education they have, and the lack of safety standards not followed by their employers. The low numbers of officers deaths on the job has as much to do with the manpower, technical, organizational support behind them, not just the individual officers.
Lets see....6 jobs that have the dangers that policing has.
1)Any job that involves underground mining....which is more than 6 differant trades.That covers your 6 jobs/trades right there.
2)Any above ground jobs in the mining industry(milling,smelting,refining),again more than 6 differant jobs/trades right there.
3)Petrochemical Refinery operators.Again more than 6 differant jobs/trades right there.
4)Crab boat fisherman in Alaska.
You sure you want me to keep going?
Don't blame lack of training and education for their deaths.Trades require more schooling and field hours than cops or firefighter.Most trades take 5 yrs to get their ticket.
Again numbers of deaths are largely function of the number of miner, the number of seasonal part time miners There are five times as many workers in the mining industry than there in Police Services. We all can recall a summer student or two getting killed on job. There aren't many part-time police or summer relief in Police Services across the country.If you want to talk about the dangers of a certain jobs like cops then body count does count.
Lets see....6 jobs that have the dangers that policing has.
1)Any job that involves underground mining....which is more than 6 differant trades.That covers your 6 jobs/trades right there.
2)Any above ground jobs in the mining industry(milling,smelting,refining),again more than 6 differant jobs/trades right there.
3)Petrochemical Refinery operators.Again more than 6 differant jobs/trades right there.
4)Crab boat fisherman in Alaska.
You sure you want me to keep going?
The crab fisherman don't work all year, some only 4 months and some even less, but when they do work they work their ass and put in hours that other professions won't not allow their employees to work. Again a safety factor. For that work. Yes it is a dangerous job, but it has a short duration and much of the danger is self imposed.
It appears you simply Googled 'most dangerous jobs' and copied the list, not thinking it through.
I am kind of torn on this one.
On one hand the compensation that the public sector employees are receiving in Ontario is absurd and unsustainable
On the other hand cops save lives, enforce private property rights and maintain law and order.
They are probably overpaid, however on a relative scale I do not begrudge their excessive comp any where near as much as the weasels @ OPG, the thousands of blood sucking bureaucrats on the provincial payroll, or teachers who are the poster boy for excessive compensation.
I would place doctors and firemen in the same relative group of those who are probably overpaid, however are essential
City employees, garbage men and any other group of parasites who use the threat of a strike as route to excessive comp from the taxpayer are in the same low-life category as teachers.
There will be a tipping point where the debt burden of this province will trigger massive layoffs in the public sector.
Their unions willfully ignore this and just move us closer and closer to that point with their ridiculous demands and inflexibility
On one hand the compensation that the public sector employees are receiving in Ontario is absurd and unsustainable
On the other hand cops save lives, enforce private property rights and maintain law and order.
They are probably overpaid, however on a relative scale I do not begrudge their excessive comp any where near as much as the weasels @ OPG, the thousands of blood sucking bureaucrats on the provincial payroll, or teachers who are the poster boy for excessive compensation.
I would place doctors and firemen in the same relative group of those who are probably overpaid, however are essential
City employees, garbage men and any other group of parasites who use the threat of a strike as route to excessive comp from the taxpayer are in the same low-life category as teachers.
There will be a tipping point where the debt burden of this province will trigger massive layoffs in the public sector.
Their unions willfully ignore this and just move us closer and closer to that point with their ridiculous demands and inflexibility
Nothing. Nobody wants to make enemy of big boys with guns.I think they are being paid too much, but can we do anything about it other than just debate?
Now your talking stupid.Mining industry doesn't employ part time summer students.They would never let a summer kid use that kind of equipment.Again your blaming training for deaths.A dead worker is a dead father,mother,brother,sister.son or daughter. Police fill holiday coverage with overtime.I would guess over 90% of Ontario cops never draw their weapons.Again numbers of deaths are largely function of the number of miner, the number of seasonal part time miners There are five times as many workers in the mining industry than there in Police Services. We all can recall a summer student or two getting killed on job. There aren't many part-time police or summer relief in Police Services across the country.
The crab fisherman don't work all year, some only 4 months and some even less, but when they do work they work their ass and put in hours that other professions won't not allow their employees to work. Again a safety factor. For that work. Yes it is a dangerous job, but it has a short duration and much of the danger is self imposed.
It appears you simply Googled 'most dangerous jobs' and copied the list, not thinking it through.
Sorry to dissapoint you but I never googled anything.I work in the mining industry and know these things first hand.You sound like an office boy.
Lets not forget crime rates......murders, robberies and such.
These are so much lower in Canada than the USA.
Maybe hiring and paying good talent a top dollar results in these much better crime rates than our neighbors to the south.
These are so much lower in Canada than the USA.
Maybe hiring and paying good talent a top dollar results in these much better crime rates than our neighbors to the south.
Thats a simplistic view....I would argue it isnt policing that makes it such. Look at social safety nets, welfare etc that this country provides vs our southern neighbours. i.e. our poor arent as poor as their poor.....BUT if we continue on the path of financial unsustainability we will catch up in time because how will we fund those social programs with deeper and deeper debt being accumulated....Lets not forget crime rates......murders, robberies and such.
These are so much lower in Canada than the USA.
Maybe hiring and paying good talent a top dollar results in these much better crime rates than our neighbors to the south.
So I guess my two summers in Wabush were dreams then. My brother did basically the same thing. We grew up in a mill town and worked in the mill in the summer as well, but Wabash was a chance to travel, sort of. My extended family also has miners and they hire summer help every year, many times it's students. If they have experience, as in a repeat hire or in their past, they get to handle some of the big equipment not just hump stuff around. Yes lack of training's a big contributor to the deaths. Not sure why you made the point that police filling holiday time though. So what?. there stuff to be down during the holiday season.Now your talking stupid.Mining industry doesn't employ part time summer students.They would never let a summer kid use that kind of equipment.Again your blaming training for deaths.A dead worker is a dead father,mother,brother,sister.son or daughter. Police fill holiday coverage with overtime.I would guess over 90% of Ontario cops never draw their weapons.
Sorry to dissapoint you but I never googled anything.I work in the mining industry and know these things first hand.You sound like an office boy.
In my entire life, I've spent less than 9 months behind a desk or in an office, sorry.
> Nothing. Nobody wants to make enemy of big boys with guns.
You mean the army. I assure you that army soldiers are the big boys with the guns and they are
the ones actually trained to kill. Not to talk. Not to waffle. Three rounds center of mass and
then call in an airstrike just to be sure.
Cops, are just guys that walk around with a nine mil pistor and a flak jacket while dealing
with a defenseless unarmed public.
However, having said all that, they deal with endless epic bullshit from that public because
they are stuck dealing with people that are drunk, losers, violent or just being assholes and
even worse, unlike those of us that were professional soldiers, you can't just shoot them
three rounds center of mass.
So yeah, I'd pay them real well to keep the riff raff sorted out in my neighborhood and even
pay them more if they would drop like a hammer onto meth labs and drug houses. Yep, no
debate from me on their pay cheques at all.
You mean the army. I assure you that army soldiers are the big boys with the guns and they are
the ones actually trained to kill. Not to talk. Not to waffle. Three rounds center of mass and
then call in an airstrike just to be sure.
Cops, are just guys that walk around with a nine mil pistor and a flak jacket while dealing
with a defenseless unarmed public.
However, having said all that, they deal with endless epic bullshit from that public because
they are stuck dealing with people that are drunk, losers, violent or just being assholes and
even worse, unlike those of us that were professional soldiers, you can't just shoot them
three rounds center of mass.
So yeah, I'd pay them real well to keep the riff raff sorted out in my neighborhood and even
pay them more if they would drop like a hammer onto meth labs and drug houses. Yep, no
debate from me on their pay cheques at all.
Say what?Thats a simplistic view....I would argue it isnt policing that makes it such. Look at social safety nets, welfare etc that this country provides vs our southern neighbours. i.e. our poor arent as poor as their poor.....BUT if we continue on the path of financial unsustainability we will catch up in time because how will we fund those social programs with deeper and deeper debt being accumulated....
Policing is easier up here as the proliferation of guns in the US is over the top. You can assume that almost every response will involve arms, until proven wrong. Thank goodness here is not quite then same, the potential is still there.
