Bad news for BlackBerry today, no buyout coming.

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BNN is reporting that according to the Globe and Mail today's deadline for a buyout will pass with no deal in place. So CEO Thorsten Heins is out, a new interim CEO is coming in, and the company will try to raise a billion dollars or so in convertible notes to keep operating as a going concern. Before pre-market trading was halted BB was trading down 18% or so to $6.33. The outlook for this company is murkier than ever. :frown:

www.businessinsider.com/blackberry-crashes-2013-11
 

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The new guy is an enterprise computing exec. Sounds like they are planning to focus their business on enterprise solutions.

Makes sense. Get out of the handset business. Just license your software for any/all platforms.
 

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These Harper Tories are a bunch of bastards. They killed a Lenovo bid for Blackberry just like they killed a foreign bid for Allstreams, yet they are selling spectrum to foreigners while prohibiting indigenous Canadian telecoms from bidding for the same spectrum. Harper bastards.
 

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Blackberry - Walking Dead the smartphone.... someone put a spike in it's head and get it over with.

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Down to a Market Cap of 3.3B..... This is a cash/carry deal for any decent sized tech firm.

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Blackberry - Walking Dead the smartphone.... someone put a spike in it's head and get it over with.

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Once upon a time, Apple was dead in the water too.... then Microsoft invested a $150 million in them. I'm not suggesting the BB will make a turn around. However, never say never.
 

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Once upon a time, Apple was dead in the water too.... then Microsoft invested a $150 million in them. I'm not suggesting the BB will make a turn around. However, never say never.
Hi there,

They also purchased a little company named Next, and with it came a CEO named Steve Jobs.....

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They also purchased a little company named Next, and with it came a CEO named Steve Jobs.....
Don't underestimate John Chen. I think Blackberry should reinvent itself as the Mercedes Benz of smartphones and stop trying to cater to the low end consumer market.
 

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Don't underestimate John Chen. I think Blackberry should reinvent itself as the Mercedes Benz of smartphones and stop trying to cater to the low end consumer market.
With all due respect to compare John Chen to the late Steve Jobs is a little tough. The type of thinking needed to turn around a company in this market is radical. Mr. Chen didn't even move to Waterloo to fix this thing. When Jobs returned to Apple it was religion to him. For Mr. Chen, it's a paycheck.

The smartphone market is a very tough market, BBRY is just too late to react.

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Ha ha ha, so sorry to pile on but here is a somewhat gloomy, for BB, article from the Globe just today.

In the smartphone world, it's a two-horse race

Friday, November 15, 2013
OMAR EL AKKAD and SEAN SILCOFF
For all its meteoric growth, evidence is mounting that the smartphone industry has only been kind to two manufacturers - and especially cruel to one.

A new report from Canaccord Genuity, released Thursday, shows that Apple Inc. and Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., the two most successful handheld-device makers, together collect the entirety of the industry's profits. Their many competitors, meanwhile, are losing money.

The two technology giants control the vast majority of smartphone sales, and are cashing in as a wave of consumers in the developing world begin to replace their traditional cellphones for smartphones. Those new customers appear interested only in phones running on Apple's iOS operating system or Google's Android - the software that powers the majority of Samsung phones.

That shift has taken its toll most severely on BlackBerry Ltd., the Waterloo, Ont., company that effectively invented smartphones. In a separate report, Canaccord analyst Mike Walkley said that, as a result of the company's uncertain future, sales of BlackBerry 7 phones - the company's older models - have plummeted.

"Given BlackBerry's announced exit of the consumer smartphone market and increasing competition from ever-more-capable low-cost Android smartphones in emerging markets, our surveys indicated rapid BB7 share losses," Mr. Walkley said.

Mr. Walkley added that "in fact, we believe consumer BlackBerry sales are down more than 50 per cent" in recent months against a year earlier.

Meanwhile, sales of BlackBerry 10 devices, the company's new models launched early this year, have never taken off. That's not only due to limited consumer interest, but also extreme caution from many enterprise buyers, who are waiting to see whether the BlackBerry smartphone brand will even exist before they make a purchase.

The Canaccord report's findings are largely in line with those of International Data Corp. (IDC), whose third-quarter smartphone industry survey, released earlier this week, estimated that global BlackBerry sales have plunged to 4.5 million in the third quarter from 7.7 million a year earlier. During the same period, the company's global market share also sank to 1.7 per cent from 4.1 per cent last year.

Shipments of phones running on Google and Apple operating systems, however, saw gains of 51 and 26 per cent, respectively, during the quarter, according to IDC. Android phones accounted for 81 per cent of shipments, while Apple phones held 12.9 per cent.

If there is room for a third player in the smartphone industry, the report indicates Microsoft has overtaken BlackBerry for that spot. The Windows Phone company saw sales increase 156 per cent from last year, albeit from a relatively tiny user base. Over all, roughly twice as many Windows-based phones as BlackBerrys were shipped in the quarter.

Manufacturers of phones running on all other platforms almost disappeared from the market entirely, according to IDC, as shipments of those phones declined more than 80 per cent.

The latest BlackBerry shipment numbers come during the week that new BlackBerry executive chairman and interim chief executive officer John Chen took over the company, following a very public but ultimately abandoned sale process and deep cost- and job-cutting efforts.

The extreme uncertainty hovering over the company is also causing some of BlackBerry's corporate customers to look elsewhere. A defence industry online news site this week reported that the U.S. Defence Department, which has deployed close to half a million BlackBerrys to employees, is looking to "multiple vendors" to support its mobile communications needs, while Bloomberg News reported Thursday that pharmaceutical multinational Pfizer Inc. told employees who use BlackBerry devices to switch to rival phone makers at the end of their contracts, citing the company's "volatile" situation.

"You've seen a lot of enterprise customers reassess" their device management," said Raymond James analyst Steven Li. "I wouldn't be surprised if they'll lose enterprise customers [to other device management service providers].

"There is going to be a lot of that going on."

Apple (AAPL)

Close: $528.16 (U.S.), up $7.52

BlackBerry (BB)

Close: $6.77 (Cdn.), down 3¢
 

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It is so sad. Our corporate flagships shot down in flame.

Nortel is dead. Blackberry seems is in the ICU (Intensive Care Unit).

Of course, the Harper Tories are currently waging a war against the indigenous Canadian telecom companies.
 

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Actually, John Chen needs to be only half as good as Steve Jobs to get Blackberry back on track again.
I'd have to respectfully disagree. Apple had a large investment from it's chief competitor at the time Microsoft. Gates and Jobs ceased the OS wars, thus Apple's biggest competitor was out to actually help them strategically.
Blackberry has fallen to the 4th spot, they continue to lose market share, Apple, Google and Microsoft (which just purchased all of the Nokia handset business) are in much stronger strategic positions.

Blackberry needs to exit the smartphone market. The fact that Mr. Chen lives in California says alot to the investment community, never mind the engineers at Blackberry.

Mr. Chen actually has to be twice as good as Mr. Jobs was.

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Don't underestimate John Chen. I think Blackberry should reinvent itself as the Mercedes Benz of smartphones and stop trying to cater to the low end consumer market.
In a BYOD world the consumer market IS the market, Apple soaks up the high end margins, Samsung the lower end plastic volume - the rest lose money and are irrelevant.

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BB should just make hardware, or at least have an android version of their phones.
Their phones build quality is not bad.
 

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Don't underestimate John Chen. I think Blackberry should reinvent itself as the Mercedes Benz of smartphones and stop trying to cater to the low end consumer market.

Actually, all the new Blackberry 10 Smartphones (Z10, Z30, Q10, Q5) all beat the iphone5 in terms of hardware. The Q5 is a brand new phone and only costs $400. Yet it is equal or better than iphone5 in every category. Slightly better resolution on an LCD screen with a slightly better pixel density. Lower res rear camera @ 5 mp vs iphone 8 mp but has a 2mp front camera vs iphone 1.2 mp. Both have 720i video. Iphone has 1.3 dualcore compared to Q5 1.2 Snapdragon DualCore. If you raced the 2, you'll find Snapdragon will win. Best mobile processors on the market. Q5 has 2 gig Ram, iphone has 1 gig. Q5 has 32 gig hard drive card vs 16 gig for iphone5 (unless you upgrade to larger closed device). The best part is the battery. Q5 has 2180 mHa while iphone5 has 1400mHa. Oh ya, but iphone has 1 million useless $3.00 apps.

So, it's not fair to say BB caters to low end. The only way that is true is if you are talking about 2-3 year old phones.
 

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Apple had a large investment from it's chief competitor at the time Microsoft. Goodguy
Actually, Bill Gates was forced to invest $150 million into Apple because of patent lawsuits and anti-monopolization pressure from the US District Attorney's office. Without that money, Apple was going bankrupt.
Interesting...Apple is currently engaging in similar practices with iTunes and format wars. Apple is now loss-leading their low quality Iphone 5's so as to win over market share. Rogers, Telus, and Bell are all taking the bait. It's become about Data consumption and e-bazaar software app sales. Apple is trying to create a 2 party duopoly. If they succeed, there will 2 phones on the market. Apple and Samsung. Competitors who only make mobile devices for profit will all go under to lower quality FREE device manufacturers.
 

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Apple is trying to create a 2 party duopoly. If they succeed, there will 2 phones on the market.
This could never happen in Canada. With our huge 34 million population (compared to the lowly 350 million U.S. population), the Harper Tories want not 2, not 3 but 4 competitors to service our huge market.
 

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Actually, Bill Gates was forced to invest $150 million into Apple because of patent lawsuits and anti-monopolization pressure from the US District Attorney's office. Without that money, Apple was going bankrupt.
Interesting...Apple is currently engaging in similar practices with iTunes and format wars. Apple is now loss-leading their low quality Iphone 5's so as to win over market share. Rogers, Telus, and Bell are all taking the bait. It's become about Data consumption and e-bazaar software app sales. Apple is trying to create a 2 party duopoly. If they succeed, there will 2 phones on the market. Apple and Samsung. Competitors who only make mobile devices for profit will all go under to lower quality FREE device manufacturers.
Hi there,

From what I recall, it was a Microsoft investment, considering Apple's market position at the time I'd argue it wasn't truly due to anti-competitive measures. Actually, Oracle, AOL, Netscape were more of the pains in their ass. Ellison's relationship with Clinton didn't hurt either. I don't think there was any forcing either. I could be wrong but I followed this sector very closely during this time.

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Two senior executives to leave Blackberry in management shake-up.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...r-blackberry-executives-exit/article15582487/

Not a surprise and according to "sources" just the start. It will be interesting to see where BB goes over the next year if it in fact it stays in business. Expectations are already that there will be another large loss reported on the next quarterly statement due out on December 20.
 
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