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How did the pioneers clear the land?

blackrock13

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1 a big enough notch and the tree is gonna fall on its own esp after it dies. The bigger the notch the quicker it will fall and with experience you will learn the proper notch to make

2 You have to be aware of falling into other trees but what if you intentionally get it to fall into another notched tree which falls into another notched tree??


They will fall like dominoes ??????????


But i suppose this is one of many methods you will use to fell a tree

A very, very clever way follows


During the summer take a long shanked auger, bore two holes, one above the other, at an angle so they will meet inside;


Wait for winter to come then after some snow falls put some pitch fagots into the upper hole then lite them , the flame will cause air and smoke to rise from the upper hole causing a suction of air from the lower hole, acting like a blow furnace. The portion of the tree inside of the sap being of a pitchy nature will burn rapidly and in a short time it will roar like a huge furnace.

If you do this in the winter you will not have an uncontrolled burn as the embers will land on a snow covered tree

Also, girdling the tree in the summer and killing it may improve the burn and make auguring easier, I am unsure as the resin itself may increase the burn


I do not know for sure as I am guessing but it is interesting idea that should be extremely effective once the details are worked out

The best part is the minimal labor as you never touch an axe and are left with a burned stump that you can let rot or slow burn with charcoal

Also , the residue will quickly become fertilizer
Hopefully you are not walking past a grove of notched trees when they decide to fall like dominoes. All of these neat tricks are just that tricks. It better to fall the tree when you're read to do it and control it, hopefully when no one else is walking nearby.
 

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You'll find the actual first-hand accounts in Roughing it in the Bush by Susannah Moodie and the books and journals of her sister Catherine Parr Trail. They make good reading, especially by a winter fire, and since they were settling in the empty wilderness between Port Hope and Peterborough, there's a local angle.

First they felled the trees and cultivated between the deadfalls as they slowly cut them up for firewood or building materials, hired someone with a team to drag them to the water's edge—with few roads everyone and everything had to go by water—or onto the ice to await breakup and perhaps profit downriver. Somewhere in the process money/bartered goods or services and ownership changed hands. Brush was piled and burned, along with whole trees that were excess to needs, or too troublesome to cut with handsaws, just as settlers do today in forested parts like the Amazon. That took years, and the stumps took much, much, much longer. The ladies describe it all, and much more in a very readable style.

The really commercial timber trade with Britain pillaged the boreal forests further north and ran down the Ottawa River to be loaded in Montreal. Toronto was upstream of the Lachine rapids (Getting past them is also in Moodie and Trail) and inaccessible from the sea until after canals were built. By then the Lake Ontario country was well settled and under the plough. The attempts to link clear-cutting with farming in northwest country up the Opeongo Road from Bytown/Ottawa were mostly sad failures because the Shield grew nothing well but pine. And some sad folk-songs.
Interesting

I was waiting for Old Jones to offer his insight

I was unaware that the Lachine rapids made Toronto inaccessible by Ocean going boats

All the goods had to be portaged which would have created income for some immigrants

However, this would not stop the transportation of logs as they could float over the rapids to be picked up downstream

I still wonder if the better hardwood trees would have made it to England this way and provided income to the settlers

The trees were certainly used locally but the bigger market would have been Europe as they had cut down most of their trees over the centuries


As you state, getting the trees to market was a huge problem for a farmer unless he lived by a huge stream or nearer to the lake

Dragging the trees any distance would have been very hard. They would have used a team but I wonder how they did it exactly

Maybe wait until winter when the land is hard and no rain to bog you down

As you state, I suspect this was a trade on its own and the farmers never hauled the trees and which gave them much needed financial relief, i suspect


As for how they burned the trees they did not want, as well as the stumps, I speculate on this in post 40
 

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My question is how did they minimalism the hard labor

Cutting all the trees down creates two problems

1 WTF do you do with the trees?

2 WTF do you do with the stumps?

Even if you pull out the stumps out you got a hole in the ground but that is too much work anyway

Burning the stumps with charcoal sounds good then letting them rot as this allows the stumps to turn into fertilizer

Selling the trees sounds like a way to make a living as you clear the land

England needed lumber so the good trees could be cut at a mill then sailed over I would a think

But you need to be near a mill on a river as transporting a tree with horses through a forest would take a long time
The fire does the work of getting rid of the treas, unless you have a more useful idea, like building a cabin, or making money selling them (but as you say, the transport's the bitch). You leave the stumps until planting and harvesting for your own survival doesn't take all your time. The ones that are really in the way, you probably try to minimize with the cheapest resources—you pile wood on the stump and burn it.

The only way charcoal is cheap is if you make it yourself, or do a deal with an itinerant charcoal burner to give you some in exchange for the wood he needs. He's only going to 'happen by' if he can get his product out to market. As a man with horses can make an easier living faster than charcoal burning, he's either shipping by water right from your property, or there's already a road and decently cheap teamsters doing decent business nearby. Although excess logs often went into road building, that suggests your property's beyond the stump-clogged phase already.

Eventually stump removal does get done, and horse-powered stump-pulling machines are part of any decent antique equipment collection or display. If you have the labour and somewhat pricey tools—chains, pulleys and rope, saws, shovels and axes you can keep sharp in the dirt, a guy can DIY a lot of stumps with sheer-legs and block and tackle, but just as to-day. a specialist contractor with the equipment is often a better plan. If you have the money.

What we XXIC guys forget is that the only way to do stuff fast in pioneer times was to put more men and horses to work on it, and both were scarce in the new land. Unless you were someone with means and money and could buy help, you'd long ago gotten used to the fact that this new land of yours was a lifetime project that your children would be seeing through after you were gone. For people wgo might spend a whole year without needing cash money, stuff happened slow.

Just as today; you do what you can the best you can. What you can't do, you cope with.
 

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Interesting

I was waiting for Old Jones to offer his insight

I was unaware that the Lachine rapids made Toronto inaccessible by Ocean going boats

All the goods had to be portaged which would have created income for some immigrants

However, this would not stop the transportation of logs as they could float over the rapids to be picked up downstream

I still wonder if the better hardwood trees would have made it to England this way and provided income to the settlers

The trees were certainly used locally but the bigger market would have been Europe as they had cut down most of their trees over the centuries


As you state, getting the trees to market was a huge problem for a farmer unless he lived by a huge stream or nearer to the lake

Dragging the trees any distance would have been very hard. They would have used a team but I wonder how they did it exactly

Maybe wait until winter when the land is hard and no rain to bog you down

As you state, I suspect this was a trade on its own and the farmers never hauled the trees and which gave them much needed financial relief, i suspect


As for how they burned the trees they did not want, as well as the stumps, I speculate on this in post 40
Logs pile up in rapids and create jams, so very early on folks built chutes and flumes to carry them past. I wouldn't know if there were any at Lachine, but there definitely were at Ottawa to bypass the Chaudiere, and riding the timber rafts was a diversion offered to visiting dignitaries. While there were all sorts of local mills and local demand all over Ontario, I've not come across anything I recall about a serious timber trade with Britain except the northern one.

Until the arrival of serious heavy machinery after WWII the woods were still harvested in much the way the pioneers did, and as you described, by horses and teamsters hauling single logs over the snow (much easier than in summer) to the ice to wait for the Spring Drive. Growing up in Ottawa I couldn't help nut be aware that every spring the River by the EB Eddy plant across from Parliament Hill would clog and fill with logbooms that slowly emptied into the mill all year long. Until next spring's drive. Of course by then the industry was down to pulpwood fior tooilet paper and the days of the heavy squared timber rafts for the British Navy (and rioting Raftsmen) were long past.

Girdling and its various refinements is a great handsfree method of felling—which matters a lot if he has the only two available hands 'cause she's making soap and bread and feeding the baby. But it's very slow, and if you need to put root veggies up to get thru winter and stuff to live on now you need to get a good few trees down and outta your way fast. Of course you didn't pick the middle of a dense forest to settle, but even a relatively clear slope near the water would put you to a lotta hard, immediate work with a saw and axe, felling the tree, and more to the point getting all the damn branches outta the way. And so you plan on having your buddy Fire do a whole lot of the work. But the hurry up stuff, so you have a farmable patch, the guys bringing the big stuff can land it and you have room to start housebuilding is all yours.

Ain't it amazing—and kinda heartwarming—how fast a thread can grow when it's about dull old history and our ancestors!
 

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The fire does the work of getting rid of the treas, unless you have a more useful idea, like building a cabin, or making money selling them (but as you say, the transport's the bitch). You leave the stumps until planting and harvesting for your own survival doesn't take all your time. The ones that are really in the way, you probably try to minimize with the cheapest resources—you pile wood on the stump and burn it.

The only way charcoal is cheap is if you make it yourself, or do a deal with an itinerant charcoal burner to give you some in exchange for the wood he needs. He's only going to 'happen by' if he can get his product out to market. As a man with horses can make an easier living faster than charcoal burning, he's either shipping by water right from your property, or there's already a road and decently cheap teamsters doing decent business nearby. Although excess logs often went into road building, that suggests your property's beyond the stump-clogged phase already.

Eventually stump removal does get done, and horse-powered stump-pulling machines are part of any decent antique equipment collection or display. If you have the labour and somewhat pricey tools—chains, pulleys and rope, saws, shovels and axes you can keep sharp in the dirt, a guy can DIY a lot of stumps with sheer-legs and block and tackle, but just as to-day. a specialist contractor with the equipment is often a better plan. If you have the money.

What we XXIC guys forget is that the only way to do stuff fast in pioneer times was to put more men and horses to work on it, and both were scarce in the new land. Unless you were someone with means and money and could buy help, you'd long ago gotten used to the fact that this new land of yours was a lifetime project that your children would be seeing through after you were gone. For people wgo might spend a whole year without needing cash money, stuff happened slow.

Just as today; you do what you can the best you can. What you can't do, you cope with.

Removing stumps makes no sense to me


After all that work now you now got to drag them somewhere and the end result is a hole in the ground and a trench where you dragged the stump

Allow them to rot then turn into fertilizer over 20-30 years or whatever .

You can speed this process with a charcoal or pitch induced smolder of the stump

If you are going to burn some wood anyways you might as well pile it onto a stump and kill two birds with one stone


Biological warfare might have been termites or worm bores but I doubt they used this tactic

As far as labor goes, I wonder how important escaped slaves were as they came up here for freedom and would have been a very cheap and hard working labor force


There is also the Irish escaping the great potato famine but not until 1840

We told them a bunch of lies to get them over here then had them die building the canals - a dark past of Canada when we were still British
 

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Didn't they use work horses to pull stumps too? This isn't a mystery or as tough like building the pyramids (or they didn't need thousands of slaves either). They plowed with oxen if not work horses.
 

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Interesting

I was waiting for Old Jones to offer his insight

I was unaware that the Lachine rapids made Toronto inaccessible by Ocean going boats

All the goods had to be portaged which would have created income for some immigrants

However, this would not stop the transportation of logs as they could float over the rapids to be picked up downstream

I still wonder if the better hardwood trees would have made it to England this way and provided income to the settlers

The trees were certainly used locally but the bigger market would have been Europe as they had cut down most of their trees over the centuries


As you state, getting the trees to market was a huge problem for a farmer unless he lived by a huge stream or nearer to the lake

Dragging the trees any distance would have been very hard. They would have used a team but I wonder how they did it exactly

Maybe wait until winter when the land is hard and no rain to bog you down

As you state, I suspect this was a trade on its own and the farmers never hauled the trees and which gave them much needed financial relief, i suspect


As for how they burned the trees they did not want, as well as the stumps, I speculate on this in post 40
The Lachine Canal was built in the early 19th century to by pass the rapids and deepened and powered later to make it open to larger heavier ships. The opening of the St Lawrence Seaway in the late 50's was the next step and the system that made the the canal outdated
 

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Didn't they use work horses to pull stumps too? This isn't a mystery or as tough like building the pyramids (or they didn't need thousands of slaves either). They plowed with oxen if not work horses.
Considering a team of large horse can pull over 5000 pounds it wouldn't be much work to pull a prepared stump especially if you involve the use of a simple lever, block and tackle. or windlass.
 

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Removing stumps makes no sense to me


After all that work now you now got to drag them somewhere and the end result is a hole in the ground and a trench where you dragged the stump

Allow them to rot then turn into fertilizer over 20-30 years or whatever .

You can speed this process with a charcoal or pitch induced smolder of the stump

If you are going to burn some wood anyways you might as well pile it onto a stump and kill two birds with one stone


Biological warfare might have been termites or worm bores but I doubt they used this tactic

As far as labor goes, I wonder how important escaped slaves were as they came up here for freedom and would have been a very cheap and hard working labor force

There is also the Irish escaping the great potato famine but not until 1840

We told them a bunch of lies to get them over here then had them die building the canals - a dark past of Canada when we were still British
Waiting 20-30 years is almost a lifetime back then.

Actually the puritans told the Irish and Scots they'd give them free land, but the catch was that the free land was on the frontier between the settlements and the indian nations, THANKS.
 

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Waiting 20-30 years is almost a lifetime back then.

Actually the puritans told the Irish and Scots they'd give them free land, but the catch was that the free land was on the frontier between the settlements and the indian nations, THANKS.

Yes

But it is the way that makes the most sense

Remove the stump and you got a hole in the ground

Let it rot into fertilizer

As each year goes by the land becomes worth more as more settlers arrive and the land is that much nearer to being cleared of stumps so you can sell or hold for your children
 

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The Lachine Canal was built in the early 19th century to by pass the rapids and deepened and powered later to make it open to larger heavier ships. The opening of the St Lawrence Seaway in the late 50's was the next step and the system that made the the canal outdated

Until then you had to portage everything going to Europe or coming from Europe

Cutting the trees into boards at Toronto then sailing them to the rapids then portaging around the rapids to waiting ocean going vessels seems doable
 

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So how many trees do you girdle? It takes a long time for a single tree to die and decay to the point of falling over. What do you do if the tree doesn't fall over free of other trees (a very dangerous situation) a very common in the largest forest in the world.
Needless to say it depends upon where they were - the boreal forest is one thing clearing land in Southern Ontario or even earlier along the East Coast of the U.S. is another.

A girdled deciduous tree will die quite rapidly if it is leafed out.

I agree that there must have been practical problems, however, I can only tell you that historically in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries when the first concern was to get a crop in to feed yourself they girdled all or almost all in the area they wanted to plant.
 

blackrock13

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Yes

But it is the way that makes the most sense

Remove the stump and you got a hole in the ground

Let it rot into fertilizer

As each year goes by the land becomes worth more so you can sell or hold for your children
If the tree you're pulling is a conifer the hole is very shallow and can be turned into something useful like a midden. Not all stumps were removed. Cutting them close to the ground and pile dirt from other holes or mounds was another way. It must have been the way to go because the cut a tow away was the way they used. They were pretty smart when developing good ways to do manual labour.
 

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Didn't they use work horses to pull stumps too? . . . They plowed with oxen if not work horses.
Horses have greater "acceleration" and can pull more rapidly. Oxen have greater endurance and can pull heavier loads. Hence oxen are more suitable for heavy tasks such as plowing in wet, heavy or clayey soil or breaking sod. So in this case if you want a jerk on the stump - horses, if you want greater long term pulling on the stump - oxen.
 

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Until then you had to portage everything going to Europe or coming from Europe

Cutting the trees into boards at Toronto then sailing them to the rapids then portaging around the rapids to waiting ocean going vessels seems doable
Toronto/York may have been a bad choice for a lumber mill for export business and more suitable for local consumption. If you can't carry the load you don't portage it. You really can't efficiently carry/hump lumber overland. When you transport cut lumber you have less of a choice of what you can do with it at the other and just as much of a chance of damage .It has to be pre-sold before shipping.Transport timber and your choices are numerous and damage can be dealt with by selective cutting.
 

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Hopefully you are not walking past a grove of notched trees when they decide to fall like dominoes. All of these neat tricks are just that tricks. It better to fall the tree when you're read to do it and control it, hopefully when no one else is walking nearby.

Cant see the problem here

You would be wary of a notched tree and not eat your lunch under it nor plant crops near it

It is well marked for all those who are trespassing

Saving labor ideas would be the most valuable tool you have although i do not know if this idea was used but i cannot see why other then you would not have the same clean cut as if you felled it but if you plan to burn the tree a clean cut would not matter
 

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Cant see the problem here

You would be wary of a notched tree and not eat your lunch under it nor plant crops near it

It is well marked for all those who are trespassing

Saving labor ideas would be the most valuable tool you have although i do not know if this idea was used but i cannot see why other then you would not have the same clean cut as if you felled it but if you plan to burn the tree a clean cut would not matter
The size of the notch to do what you ask it to do is already quite large so why not cut the tree down under controlled conditions and not have to return later to harvest the tree. You require two round trips to do it your way, cut, let fall, and harvest, but one round trip to do it the simpler way of cut and harvest.
 

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Removing stumps makes no sense to me


After all that work now you now got to drag them somewhere and the end result is a hole in the ground and a trench where you dragged the stump

Allow them to rot then turn into fertilizer over 20-30 years or whatever .

You can speed this process with a charcoal or pitch induced smolder of the stump

If you are going to burn some wood anyways you might as well pile it onto a stump and kill two birds with one stone


Biological warfare might have been termites or worm bores but I doubt they used this tactic

Evolution says stumps do not rot fast, nor do they succumb to termites; that's why trees don't suddenly fall down because the roots rotted or were eaten, and a reason for making fences outta them. You can still see two hundred year old stump fences that are sound.

After awhile, once you're past working with hoes, you get real tired of all the wasted space they take, and the extra work of going around and past them to plough. Turning a team is hard, and doing it poorly reduces your yield. It isn't so much the stump itself, which is only a few feet across, but the fact that it widens into roots that spread a good deal and catch the plough, which endangers you, and the team as well as the valuable and hard to replace harness. So eventually this or that stump gets to the top of the pioneers TDL. Maybe a whole bunch of 'em to make a worthwhile job to hire out.

Like any and all of this there isn't just one universal answer for everywhere and always. Some trees you gotta deal with fast, and some stumps too—like where you're going to put your cabin for the first winter—and some you can leave for a long time, like the big one on the slope leading down to the lake, where the grandkids eventually will play dolls. In between you dp what you can when you need to as fast as circumstances allow, using any and all methods you've invented or heard of.

Just like today.
 

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Toronto/York may have been a bad choice for a lumber mill for export business and more suitable for local consumption. If you can't carry the load you don't portage it. You really can't efficiently carry/hump lumber overland. When you transport cut lumber you have less of a choice of what you can do with it at the other and just as much of a chance of damage .It has to be pre-sold before shipping.Transport timber and your choices are numerous and damage can be dealt with by selective cutting.

I am assuming the portage is done on a maintained road and horses and wagons would do the carrying

You would not carry anything by hand as the land is fairly flat around the rapids and available to horses (unlike the portage around the FALLS)

Lifting the wood with the tripod method, I presume they used, at both ends of the portage would stop damage and not be overly expensive as labor is cheap


Cut boards would be extremely valuable in Europe as they have cut down their trees over the years esp trees for masts and supports beams for huge buildings

but the rapids might have prevented such huge timber from being transported unless the tree was floated


it is fun to speculate
 
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