Do You Care That Justin Trudeau Smoked Pot As A MP?

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Do You Care That Justin Trudeau Smoked Pot As A MP?

  • Yes, it is against the law.

    Votes: 45 24.6%

  • No, it is no big deal.

    Votes: 138 75.4%
  • Total voters
    183
  • Poll closed .
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I don't think public servants should be able to break the law and keep their jobs. I personally have no problem with marijuana. The smell of it makes me feel ill (maybe I'm allergic to it?) so I've never tried it, but it doesn't bother me if other people do. I fully support legalization and regulation or at least decriminalization. But while the law remains in force, I don't think it's right for those in authority to break it. I think it sets a double standard. Who decides which laws must be followed and which laws can be ignored? Would it be ok if he did X while in office? What if he did bath salts? I'm sure most would draw a line somewhere.

I draw that line at "what's legal" because I feel it's less arbitrary and therefore "more fair" than anything.

I also don't happen to care if you draw the line elsewhere. This is simply my opinion and therefore is only relevant to me.
 
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diehard said:
ok you got me here.

The term "trite law" used in that context. Please explain.
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It means it is rarely, if ever, disputed. And it means that in all legal contexts. Think of it as saying, "Well, that's just common sense," only with respect to law...which is a field to which common sense rarely applies.
 
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diehard said:
Does that mean possession is trite law?
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I don't know anything about the term trite law.

As for possession for smoking, technically YES you could be charged for possession if you are caught in the act of smoking up and there is still evidence (roach, dirty bong) for the cop to take...however this is different than being charged for possession for having smoked up in the past (like Trudeau), that you can't be charged for as the evidence is long gone.
 
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Not a fan of Trudeau but don't really care. So many people smoke weed, criminalization is ridiculous.

Having said that, politically it was probably not the best move. He's pandering to young voters who usually don't turn out in big numbers. Can't see this going over with the elderly who are a much larger voting block.
 
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dtjohnst said:
I don't think public servants should be able to break the law and keep their jobs. I personally have no problem with marijuana. The smell of it makes me feel ill (maybe I'm allergic to it?) so I've never tried it, but it doesn't bother me if other people do. I fully support legalization and regulation or at least decriminalization. But while the law remains in force, I don't think it's right for those in authority to break it. I think it sets a double standard. Who decides which laws must be followed and which laws can be ignored? Would it be ok if he did X while in office? What if he did bath salts? I'm sure most would draw a line somewhere.

I draw that line at "what's legal" because I feel it's less arbitrary and therefore "more fair" than anything.

I also don't happen to care if you draw the line elsewhere. This is simply my opinion and therefore is only relevant to me.
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I happen to think the opposite. Civil servants need to be whistle-blowers, and information leakers, and people who are willing to publicly state when a law or policy is bad. I think it's their obligation to us, the taxpayers.
Far worse are the hypocrites who don't say anything because they want to play it safe and keep getting paid even if means remaining silent about corruption, hypocrisy and system abuse.
dirk076 said:
Not a fan of Trudeau but don't really care. So many people smoke weed, criminalization is ridiculous.

Having said that, politically it was probably not the best move. He's pandering to young voters who usually don't turn out in big numbers. Can't see this going over with the elderly who are a much larger voting block.
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I think you're wrong. "Elderly" voters now includes baby boomers who laughed at Cheech and Chong in their teens and 20s, have been comfortable around pot for 40+ years and think it's absurd that it is still illegal.
Elderly voters could also be those paying $100 or more each month for an ever-expanding combination of drugs that aren't working so well and probably think there's not much harm in trying a herbal remedy.
 
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MattRoxx said:
I happen to think the opposite. Civil servants need to be whistle-blowers, and information leakers, and people who are willing to publicly state when a law or policy is bad. I think it's their obligation to us, the taxpayers.
Far worse are the hypocrites who don't say anything because they want to play it safe and keep getting paid even if means remaining silent about corruption, hypocrisy and system abuse.

I think you're wrong. "Elderly" voters now includes baby boomers who laughed at Cheech and Chong in their teens and 20s, have been comfortable around pot for 40+ years and think it's absurd that it is still illegal.
Elderly voters could also be those paying $100 or more each month for an ever-expanding combination of drugs that aren't working so well and probably think there's not much harm in trying a herbal remedy.
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While I understand and agree with what you say, don't forget that many good folks change their points of view and values when they reach a certain age and become grandparents.

Yesterday, you were an anarchist, today a liberal and tomorrow you'll be an ultracon giving donations to Harper....... :thumb:
 
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I am ambivalent about Justin Trudeau smoking pot. What concerns me more
is that he seems like a complete air head, and the loony left (I am on the left, but leaning right these days)
seem to be just as air headed as Justin.
 
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blackrock13 said:
certainly didn't hurt. Weren't some members crowing about a dip in the Liberal support about a month ago?
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Polls mean nothing this far in advance of an election. Voter turnout at the ballot box was what I was referring to. Elderly voters turn up at the ballot box in far greater numbers than the youth vote.

By elderly I mean late 70's and 80's. As I said, I do believe marijuana should be decriminalized. Hell I laughed at Cheech and Chong and still do. That humour does not generally sit well with the demographic I am referring to.
 
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MattRoxx said:
I happen to think the opposite. Civil servants need to be whistle-blowers, and information leakers, and people who are willing to publicly state when a law or policy is bad. I think it's their obligation to us, the taxpayers.
Far worse are the hypocrites who don't say anything because they want to play it safe and keep getting paid even if means remaining silent about corruption, hypocrisy and system abuse.
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I agree that our lawmakers need to be that ones to change the law, to report and whistleblow on illegal/unconstitutional practices, etc. I just don't think they need to break the law to change it.
 
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dtjohnst said:
I agree that our lawmakers need to be that ones to change the law, to report and whistleblow on illegal/unconstitutional practices, etc. I just don't think they need to break the law to change it.
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Do you feel that Rob Ford should their therefore resign? He admitted to smoking alot of pot today.

Most have said they don't care, but you do.
 
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fuji said:
Do you feel that Rob Ford should their therefore resign? He admitted to smoking alot of pot today.

Most have said they don't care, but you do.
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He shied away when asked for more details yesterday. Because really an admission like that only begs more questions, like "have you smoked while a councilor or mayor?" "Are you in favour of legalization?" and "Are you stoned during your radio broadcasts, because that would explain a lot..."
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2013/08/29/21085321.html
At the beginning of August he claimed to have offers from some high schools to coach their football team. I wonder if that admission will help or hurt his application for the position.

Funniest aspect of the admission is that it provides a reply to Harper when he asked, "Do I seem like someone who smokes pot?"


A: No, you don't seem like Rob Ford at all.
 
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