NO Fuji said that step one and two are firable offences. If I crash a plane because I am drunk, but we are not sure if anyone had yet died, I still lose my job, it does not matter if anyone dies from their injuries later, for that purpose. Of course it matters for criminal charges. In the case of the captain and that cruse boat that sunk, he was incompetent for crashing it and would lose his job, but the reason he faces crininal charges is for what he did after the crash, which lead to passangers dying. If the only reason that a police officer can be fired is because they commited a serious offense, well, we must have some pretty bad officiers out there. Why do a good job when you get 100,000 a year for doing a bad one?And you are only fired if you break the law?
Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police
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You lose your job because you were found to have broken the law. Assuming you're a licensed commercial pilot, you won't lose your 'job', until after an investigation and your actions are held responsible for the crash So far this officer has not been found to have broken the law, or be in contradiction of the Police Act, so he still has his job.
So the police are going to use their 4,000 lb. cruisers as battering rams and drive into perps? That was specific solution in a specific incident. What if the perp had suffered an injury as a result, not unheard of? How would this have worked with SY?
You are just wrong. Most people get fired for non criminal incompetence. Try just not showing up for work sometime. Nothing criminal about that..
The only reason that might not happen here is the police union. Like all unions it promotes incompetence.
What you really don't get is that the criminal investigation happens first. Any internal investigation must wait until the criminal investigation is complete so as not to interfere (and yes, the case for misconduct isn't as clear cut as you want to make it).
I guarantee you no private employer would keep someone on the payroll after such a stunning display of incompetence.
I certainly wouldn't.
You are making one lame excuse after another. This one is just as dumb as you're prior claim that he was shot six more times do that he could get medical care.
Still waiting for the evidence of exactly what ways he violated police procedure and you know what, the police are waiting until after the criminal investigation is complete before making that determination. That's the way it works but of course you know better.
Not one of FUJI skills, even though he claims he voted to wait. His posts say differently.
Thankfully you're on the Police Board and know the ins and outs of their policies and won't have to wait until the SIU investigation is complete then. Perhaps instead of waiting for the criminal investigation as you suggested you can quote which police regulations he violated, provide evidence of such, and then we can pillory him in the town square.
Perhaps FUJI could give us a reference in the Police Act or the TPS policy guidelines that say what he did was wrong, but knowing his history, i'm not holding out for it.
Perhaps you should get past this bone headed idea you have that people can only be fired for breaking the law.
Your hyperbole about pillorying him isn't helping you either.
I am simply saying he needs to be moved out of that role. Whether out of the service, or just into parking enforcement, due to his incompetence and his poor judgement.
Let's leave the pillorying to the SIU, along with the determination of whether he violated any Act.
This is actually the part where I agree with fuji a bit, trigger-happy cops should not be working the streets. Put them on traffic detail or some type of administrative duty
Perhaps you should read what I've been posting instead of inventing what you want to hear.
Before the police can proceed with an internal investigation, they must wait for the SIU investigation to be completed. THEN they can decide if his actions require some sort of discipline up to and including firing if they see fit.
Again, if this level of documented incompetence happened in a private firm no one would wait for the criminal investigation.
He would have been fired the next day.
There is no law or regulation anywhere that says a employer has to wait for the outcome of a criminal investigation before taking their own disciplinary action.
Maybe the collective agreement says that. Which is a good reason to break the police union to save citizens from this sort of abuse.
